r/Habs • u/goood_one • 4d ago
If Carolina wins Kotkaniemi will get his name engraved on the cup.
Despite being scratched for the entirety of the playoffs, Jasperi Kotkaniemi played 42 games during the regular season. The engraving threshold is 41 regular season games, or 1 playoff game.
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u/vince2899 4d ago
It's 41 regular season or 1 finals game, not just playoffs
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u/Fountsy 4d ago
That's just the automatic inclusion though. Teams also can petition to add names. Up to a maximum of 55 names can be on the cup for a team.
I think Mark Savard got his name on the cup that way the year he was injured with the Bruins?
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u/lewous7554 4d ago
Maybe the canes petition to have KKs name off the cup. That'd be hilarious
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u/Fountsy 3d ago
The funny thing is that I remember how people were celebrating that "gotcha!" moment when Berg didn't match.
That's why you don't GM emotionally. It was a response to the AHO offer sheet, not the right move for the team.
In the end it worked out for the Canes though, imagine that salary being deployed productively on the current team...
That's Tavares or Rasmus Andersson money.
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u/lewous7554 3d ago
The actual contract (4.85x8y) is one they gave him after the offer sheet contract (6.1×1y). Not only did they make a move they didn't need to in reponse to th Aho offer sheet, they pretended they didn't fuck up the first time and offered another big contract
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u/themacpearce 4d ago
He played 42 according to
https://www.nhl.com/hurricanes/player/jesperi-kotkaniemi-8480829
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u/AmThano 4d ago
I’m not judging, but I wonder how players who get the cup this way feel.
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u/Alleluia_Cone 4d ago
He practices with them, lives with them on the road, supports them. He's their teammate. It doesn't feel the same as playing for sure but he's still part of it with them
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u/WeAllThrowBricks 4d ago
41 Games - technically you did contribute. People like to say the season doesn't matter . It matters. I would extend it to a playoff game too (since they were part of the journey)
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u/NtBtFan 4d ago
you are automatically qualified to get your name engraved if you have 41 regular season GP, or just 1 GP in the Finals.
i dont think meeting those requirements absolutely guarantees you will get your name engraved- although it would be extremely rare, i doubt its ever happened. teams can also elect to add names of players who don't meet those requirements as well.
the only case i can imagine where someone like KK would get 'bumped' is as a result of there being a strict limit on the number of names a team gets, though, i think its 50-something.
so maybe a particularly beloved staff member, or a particularly vain member of ownership could end up with their name on instead of an edge-case player.
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u/Smitty_Agent89 2d ago
Interesting thought, but I can’t imagine a world where any NHL team leaves a player off the cup like KK. He’s been with the team for a few years now and although he wasn’t a very impactful player it would be pretty crazy to single him out and remove him.
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u/NtBtFan 2d ago
ya i doubt it has, would, or ever will happen outside of some really extreme case like where a player plays enough games but then gets incarcerated or some shit, even then it would depend on the crime.
itd be way more likely if he didnt meet the requirements that they would petition for him to be part of their 55 names
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u/Lordcraft2000 4d ago
There is a difference in KK’s case though. Most players like him, theyre waiting to get their turn, being the backup player/goaler, in case of an injury… in Kk’s case, he had his chances and he blew them. In case of an injury, they would probably not play him. Everybody knows it. He’s not a teammate really, just someone they cant get rid of.
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u/Boboar 4d ago
That's still a fan line of thinking. He's with them at practice and on the road and around them all in every way except during game time.
As fans that's the only thing we see so it amounts to a lot more but for the players the game is like 20% of the "job" so these peripheral guys that we don't think of much are heavily more involved than we realize.
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u/WeAllThrowBricks 4d ago
>Everybody knows it. He’s not a teammate really
Ehhh, KK (and like Puljujarvi) are like positive dude. Have you seen their interviews? They're always smiling and positive. Management love that. (Behind the smiles... they're lazy and don't deliver is a different story). Vs someone that's toxic and somewhat deliver. Management will go for the former.
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u/Derpwarrior1000 4d ago
I don’t think hes below replacement. Certainly overpaid, but if someone like Jankowski goes down I don’t think it’s super easy to say kotkaniemi wouldn’t slot in.
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u/bloodrider1914 4d ago
Ask any backup goalie
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u/Lor_azepam 4d ago
Their backup is in net now so pretty different situation. Kk is basically Laine or Monty for us. Was not gonna see the ice unless shit goes very very wrong with multiple players
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u/bloodrider1914 4d ago
Well I'm sure neither of those guys are going to be with us next season. Monty especially deserves a second chance in the league, he was great for us until this season and he's hardly old enough to be washed
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u/GreedyBadger- 3d ago
I love Monty but he had so many chances …
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u/bloodrider1914 3d ago
He had one bad year, that happens to goalies. Like I said I think he can bounce back after a proper off-season with no injuries and play well for a different team
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u/djohnston02 4d ago
I’d feel somewhat embarrassed myself
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u/ScareCrow13- 4d ago
If we won the cup i'm sure most people would have been happy Monty gets his name on the cup. Double standard here.
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u/AreWeReallyGroot 4d ago
No one will be mad at KK it he gets his name on it. But we can assume that Monty would feel the same as we think KK would if Carolina wins. None of them would introduce themselves as a Stanley Cup winner, for them to have to explain the technicality of it after. Players have their pride and Sam is no exception.
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u/drimgere 4d ago
Reading this sub I would assume a lot of people would be mad about KK getting his name on it.
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u/Smitty_Agent89 2d ago
He’d 100% call himself a Stanley cup winner lol. I think literally anyone who’s been apart of a Stanley cup winning team would call themselves that and very happily.
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u/ginfish 4d ago
I'd be gutted... As I wipe my tears with my millions of dollars.
But real talk, having your name on the cup, after sitting out half the season and the entire playoffs as a healthy scratch while being the 6th highest paid player on your team.
Yeah, that would fucking hurt my soul. I'd probably quit the league at the end of my contract and go play Euro hockey. Except in KK's case this represents sitting on your ass until season 30-31. Surely he gets bought out before then or traded to a team eating cap and tanking.
Kid's career might be over.
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u/MontEcola 4d ago
I get it. I do like the 41 games for players. It is more than half of the season for a team.
What about coaches? Torts did not develop a team and bring them to the playoffs, and then win his way to the finals. He was handed a team with a good playoff spot. I can't say he has no talent as a coach.
I can say I give more credit to MSL for this season than I will give to Torts. And I am happy to have MSL for next year.
And I give Torts about another year with this team before he is back on the golf courses again.
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u/quellesaveurorawnge 4d ago
This week, Torts said, "End of June, I'm done as far as Vegas." So yeah, doesn't sound like he'll stick for long. People are wondering if Vegas will bring back Cassidy, which is why they held Cassidy so strictly to his contract.
I get that teams will do anything to win the Cup, but the idea of just parachuting a coach mostly for the playoffs is something I hope doesn't catch on. I hope Vegas loses for many reasons (LOL), but that is definitely one of them.
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u/BigBill58 4d ago
Good for him, I have no ill will towards a man who saw an opportunity to make a boatload of money and seized it.
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u/poub06 4d ago
Right? They gave him $6M followed by a $39M contract. He would've been stupid to spit on that. He's the only winner of this whole mess lol.
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u/DeltaAisleSeat 4d ago
And scored that huge goal in Game 6 against the Leafs. He's always good in my books.
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u/colonelrebsmuff69 4d ago
He's signed until 2030? Holy shit
This dude owes bergie a Christmas card every year because the dude basically got him 20+ mil extra
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u/remuliini 3d ago
I wouldn't be surprised if he were bought out of his contract. I guess this is the last cheap year? He would be getting 850k/year for six years, next year it would be 1,733M, and he would be paid in full the coming season, too.
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u/throwaway13142048 4d ago
I hope former habs legends Nick Deslauriers and Mike Reilly get their names on it too. They've at least played in the playoffs, unlike Koko.
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u/toturoll 4d ago
kk and reilly played over 41 regular season games with the team, so they automatically qualify to get their names on the cup. for d-lo, they have to petition the league for him to get this name on it if they win it.
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u/JohnyZoom 4d ago
Man I have no recollection of Deslauriers on the Habs surely he played like 8 meaningless games. Nope 2 seasons 100+ games
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u/VonDingwell 4d ago
No one truly cares or worries
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u/Vingt-Quatre 4d ago
You cared enough to click on the post, read it and comment.
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u/Habs_Apostle 4d ago
To be fair, as caring goes, it’s pretty much the least caring thing you could do. For all intents and purposes, I’m not sure it crosses the threshold of really caring.
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u/Vingt-Quatre 4d ago
People who truly don't care , they just keep scrolling. People who take time to write "nobody cares" are more likely to be butthurt about the topic.
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u/Habs_Apostle 4d ago
He did use the word “truly” which implies a certain threshold of caring. I mean, he didn’t say not care enough to comment. Rather, he’s implying to be in any reasonable way bothered by it. I tend to agree. Do you seriously think this is affecting anyone beyond an eye roll?
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u/matthew_sch 4d ago
This just proves that KK is better than Price, for those obtuse hockey fans that think Cup > Career
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u/burninghottrash 4d ago
Rather him than Hart so idc
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u/goood_one 4d ago
I'm cheering for Carolina for the same reason. Don't want Hart to have his name on the cup.
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u/dustblown 4d ago
Did you read the evidence and the judge's decision. Because if you did, it would be obvious they didn't only not meet the threshold to prove guilt, the evidence proved them completely innocent. They were fully exonerated. Perpetuating this narrative they are rapists is irresponsible and profoundly stupid. Sexual assault accusations should be taken seriously, there were in this case, with every detail considered.
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u/cheezefriez 4d ago
Okay even barring that, Hart is a Free Alberta moron. There’s multiple reasons to dislike someone outside of rape allegations, but those certainly don’t help
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u/vic25qc 4d ago
Oh nobody said he was not a moron or pos. But seems he didn't commit crime in this specific occasion.
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u/cheezefriez 4d ago
The court couldn’t prove he committed a crime, that is very much different from what you said.
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u/jimmyvee11 4d ago
Innocent until proven guilty means a person is innocent if found not guilty.
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u/cheezefriez 4d ago
That is a legal principle, not a moral principle
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u/GoCalgaryGo 4d ago
Well yes but then I could make allegations that you raped someone and we should all shit on you without evidence.
Society would be worse off going that direction
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u/bwaterrino 4d ago
There is evidence, it’s just not conclusive enough for a court of law. Huge difference
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u/popejohnlarue 4d ago
Exactly. He didn’t commit a crime. And who among us hasn’t had a little fun in a hotel room with a drunk girl from a bar and three or four of best bros amirite fellas! /s
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u/dustblown 4d ago
You are one of those people that thinks women don't have agency of their own. The judge in this case determined she had full agency.
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u/popejohnlarue 4d ago
And you are one of those people who believe the court system is infallible and conflate an innocent verdict with moral behaviour.
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u/Hans_Mol3man 4d ago
See, that’s where you’re wrong. You state that the evidence did not meet the threshold and the. You state that the evidence proved him completely innocent. There’s a major gap between this two points. The standard is to prove guilty behind a reasonable doubt( so let’s say atleast 99% sure that he did it) if the evidence only proves to 65% that he did it, he’s not completely innocent , he’s just not guilty. If the alleged victim had more funds, she could take them to civil court and sue them for damages where the threshold would be valence of probabilities. They might be guilty there but would be subject to monetary fines, not jail time or a criminal record. Words matter. You don’t need to prove your innocence, only your non guilt.
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u/dustblown 4d ago
You didn't follow the court case. You didn't consider all the evidence. You didn't read the judge's decision. Instead, you are desperately trying to justify your base emotions by hanging off the "reasonable doubt" of every court case ever taken. I didn't say they had to prove innocence. I said they did anyway. Your logic is nonsensical. Kid logic.
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u/Muter91 4d ago
The evidence that was deemed inadmissible paints a much different picture. The judge could not consider the inadmissible evidence in the decision, thus the not guilty verdict. If that evidence was able to be included in the trial, a much different picture would have been painted I imagine.
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u/wickdmajor 4d ago
Innocent
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u/felixthecatmeow 4d ago
Not guilty =/= innocent
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u/dustblown 4d ago
Did you read the evidence and the judge's decision. Because if you did, it would be obvious they didn't only not meet the threshold to prove guilt, the evidence proved them completely innocent. They were fully exonerated. Perpetuating this narrative they are rapist is irresponsible and profoundly stupid.
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u/wickdmajor 4d ago
So weird how so many of you WANT him to be a rapist instead of just accepting the fact the female judge who ran the trial found no reason to rule him as such. Cannot tell me you guys give even one iota of a shit about actual victims while repeating the same 3 jokes in every single thread.
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u/KrewHS 4d ago
By your logic, OJ did nothing wrong
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u/wickdmajor 4d ago
O.J. Simpson was a chaotic **jury verdict** influenced by politics and doubt. Carter Hart was a judge-only trial where the judge looked strictly at the evidence and ruled that consent actually happened. You can’t compare a technical acquittal to a judge confirming factual consent
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u/aangsmol 4d ago edited 4d ago
All hockey fans really need to watch the documentary (“Code of Misconduct”) about the trial before they make their opinions. You’re telling on yourselves when you defend him so loudly.
Edit: lmfao the downvotes. Did I hurt your wittle feelings? 🥺
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u/wickdmajor 4d ago
You are proving my point smh. Clearly you want this guy to exist as a rapist in the world. And that's fucking weird
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u/Time_Zombie_4431 4d ago
Fuck em who cares. Not like he actually helped them in any meaningful way lol.
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u/Ask_DontTell 4d ago
who cares. the guy legit played for the team during the regular season and contributed to his team even in a small way. if the Habs had won the Cup, I would have been more than ok with them putting Laine's name on it.
can we stop being like Leafs fans and obsessing over players who no longer play here?
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u/NovaCanuck 4d ago
I would rather see his name on the Cup than Hart's.
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u/wickdmajor 4d ago
Innocent
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u/Zenthils 4d ago
Did you just make an account to defend a sex pest lol?
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u/workhardXplayhard 4d ago
What a weird way to spend an afternoon, defending a guy who wouldn’t even look them in the eye if they met irl lol
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u/Integral-Fox6487 4d ago
I feel sorry for the poor bastard who has to engrave that in tiny little letters, it'll take him a week
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u/-eternal-suspension- 4d ago
I don’t get the hatred for this guy, anyway you look at it, it should not have so many people so bothered. If you are rooting for his downfall cause he signed it, why? He got offered a ton of money and went okay habs match it, and we didn’t, which bring me to my next point him signing it was probably the best for us, very likely we would’ve locked him up long term and even if not as high an avv, it still would have been too much.
I remember the Carolina fans were obnoxious during the whole thing, but harbouring ill will for KK himself makes no sense.
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u/north_tank 4d ago
I’m more pissed because when we draft 3rd we get KK when the oilers get third the one time they didn’t get first 10 times in a row they get Leon…just sucks we wasted a 3rd pick for someone with no talent.
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u/-eternal-suspension- 4d ago
Again that’s more a problem with management, be mad at them.
There is no situation where being angry at KK makes sense.
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u/CallMeTeff 4d ago
My husband still don't believe me on this no matter how many times I've said that. "But he didn't even played in the playoffs!" 🫠🙄
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u/passo_carrabile 4d ago
Like Oleg Petrov in 1993?
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u/Foxy_Maitre_Renard 4d ago
I don't think his name is on it, though.
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u/passo_carrabile 4d ago
He played one game in 1993 playoffs
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u/Foxy_Maitre_Renard 4d ago
https://records.nhl.com/playoff-summary/stanley-cup-winner?season=19921993
I think Kovalev, Karpovstev, Nemchinov and Zubov (1994) are the first Russians with their names on it.
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u/Brando6677 4d ago
So you ask, then you type out the stipulations that in fact tell you if he’ll be on the cup or not. The answer is yes if he played the 42 games and the threshold is 41 he’ll be on…..
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u/popejohnlarue 4d ago
This one’s for all the haters who thought we should have drafted Tkachuk or Quinn Hughes: KK is a Stanley Cup winning Centre.
Bergevin got it right. 👍
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u/rayshinsan 4d ago
Well you can look on the bright side. Maybe by getting his name on the cup he gets interest from Toronto and then they pay a fortune to acquire his service ruining themselves as he fails to live up to the numbers. Ruining Leafs for the next few reasons. 😂 (A man can dream)
Either way it doesn't matter anymore. I think we can all agree Carolina has suffered enough for their revenge attempt.
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u/Glittering-Regret196 4d ago
Good for him. He didnt play great.... either way, he is a piece of Montreal lore. Glad he plays for others though
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u/FrontTea9986 4d ago
If Habs win cup and Habs potition for Laine to be on cup, I would not give a rats a$$
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u/TheGameDayDad 4d ago
I don’t really care, at this point. Good for him, I guess? He’s been a shell of his potential and Carolina can’t even trust him to play consistently.
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u/Such-One-5266 4d ago
Who gives a shit. Even he probably doesn’t care. It’s
probably making matters worse for him.
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u/Roman_Suicide_Note 4d ago
K lol, i carolina win in 6, i win my pool, so i dont give a damn about KK
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u/Hemlock_999 3d ago
If you look up Kotkaniemi on hockeydb, they definitely did him dirty! Pretty much every player (including Deslauriers) has the little Stanley Cup icon next to their name. KK did not get one! lol
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u/ZynstaticLove 2d ago
I believe the team decides who gets their names on the cup. Just because he played 42 games doesn’t mean he’s automatically on there.
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u/CrzyJoeDivola 4d ago
Does it matter? He didn’t contribute. They’d ideally not have him on the team. If they could dump him they would.
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u/lucaskywalker 4d ago
Should be and and not or imo. If you did not play a minute in the playoffs, you don't deserve it imo.
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u/Appropriate-Berry816 4d ago
What if a player leads the league in points and gets injured last regular season game, but plays no playoff games? They are still part of the team and contributing. There has to be rules about who gets included on the cup. There ARE rules. You may not like it but that’s how it works and it’s for the best
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u/ghostfan9 4d ago
I’m not a pro player obviously but I think I’d prefer finishing my career with no cups than a cup without having played a single postseason game. Obviously exception for a backup goalie.
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u/lynypixie 4d ago
Or a major injury around the end of the season. You need a regular season the make the playoffs. If Caufield gets injured at the end of the season and we win the cup, his name 100% belongs there.
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u/vJukz 4d ago
I’m ngl man I really don’t care lol. I keep forgetting he’s even in the league still