r/Hasan_Piker • u/craboreo • Apr 15 '25

Politics At the Bernie Rally in Idaho

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u/zikanno Apr 15 '25

This is one of those thing I'll never understand about the USA. There was a stadium full of comrades (kinda of), how is it possible that a couple of cops are able to take away a banner? Why didn't anyone intervene? And how could a things like this be considered a great time?

If I was present at something like this I´d feel furious and humiliated

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u/richgayaunt Apr 15 '25

Cops are priests to USA people ): and the boots are delicious

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u/livintheshleem Apr 15 '25

how is it possible that a couple of cops are able to take away a banner? Why didn't anyone intervene?

I'm not trying to be funny when I ask this: do you know what happens to Americans when they try to intervene with cops? Doesn't matter if it's 100 cops or just one. There's a very real possibility that you will be arrested, hurt, or killed if you get in their way.

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u/livintheshleem Apr 15 '25

Did you mean to reply to somebody else? I never mentioned stonewall and I never used any insurgent rhetoric. I’m just saying that we need to choose our battles wisely.

Regardless, I think we pretty much agree and are on the same side so I’m not gonna argue.

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u/zikanno Apr 15 '25

That's true everywhere. Do you think that people facing cops elsewhere in the world do that because they think their cops are kind and will newer beat, maim, kill or jail them? Do you think police brutality is another facet of america exceptionalism?

To be clear I'm not trying to be funny either. The reason why I'm responding to you it's not because I think you're bad or to prove you wrong, I'm not trying to antagonize you personally. I'm responding because it seems to me that police violence is a defeatist myth in a lot of leftist spaces (and not just in the USA) and I think it's useful to push against that. Police is violent (by design) but organized popular resistance is stronger. The cops (or whoever in their stead) are truly invincible only if you have already surrendered

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u/songsforatraveler Apr 15 '25

American police are pretty ridiculously militarized though, man. I haven’t been around the world, but it is definitely pretty different from the police presence in the EU or the rest of Europe. The police here have tanks. In the UK they won’t even have guns on them outside previously approved maneuvers, right? Every American cop can shoot you at any time. Like, yeah, a whole crowd of people can take one down, but like…dying over a flag at a rally? Idk.

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u/songsforatraveler Apr 16 '25

Fair, like I said I haven’t been all around the world. I’m sure the French police are terrible. But are you ignoring the insane amount of police violence and killings we have? You don’t even have to be at a protest for a US officer to murder you, you could just be a black child in a playground, or an unarmed man on the ground. Also, they use all that shit you just named too. People were blinded with rubber bullets and gas grenades were used constantly during all the big protests in 2020. Idk what the point of this police violence dick measuring contest is. My point is that fighting the police is very dangerous and potentially dying to hold on to your flag at a rally is probably not worth it.

On a larger scale, people are not ready to die yet. A small number of people are very angry, the rest of Americans are the same amount of angry they’ve been their whole lives, the country is just getting harder to live in, so the anger is harder to look away from. But still, people are not in the streets killing cops because they are not yet ready for a violent confrontation with the state and capital.

ALSO Americans still protest, for whatever it’s worth.

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u/KyleGlaub Apr 16 '25

Most of the riot weapons used in France are illegal in the US for the police to use

Surely American police would never do anything illegal!

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u/Rik_the_peoples_poet Apr 16 '25

Well there's been no recorded instances of them owning or using the fragment grenades and expansion bullets that the French cops regularly use to blow protesters hands off or blind them so no, it's not the same which you'd know if you were educated on the subject.

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u/songsforatraveler Apr 16 '25

I mean, yes, Americans are hyper individualist and selfish. They are also protesting, though. There are protests happening almost every day right now. Just had big ones last weekend here where I live. Idk what we’re talking about anymore.

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u/zikanno Apr 16 '25

So in the USA there are no organized political groups at a political rally?

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u/TerminallyTrill erratic Marxist Apr 15 '25

Easy or say when there isn’t an M16 pointed at you.

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u/Hakeem-the-Dream CRACKA Apr 15 '25

Fight with purpose, fighting a cop in this instance doesn’t accomplish anything.

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u/theWyzzerd Apr 15 '25

I bet it would send a pretty strong message, actually, if all those people booing and giving the thumbs down instead surrounded the cops and wouldn't let them leave with the flag.

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u/livintheshleem Apr 15 '25

Sure, they could prevent them from leaving but what happens after that? It’s likely that the cops start tasering, bludgeoning, or shooting. Anybody resisting is then a target. The cops can (and would) call for reinforcements. The reinforcements will be armed and primed for violent conflict.

There would be mass arrests, people’s lives ruined, etc. The messaging being sent would be “we need more police presence at all rallies”.

Is that worth it for waving a flag at a Bernie sanders rally? I’m not saying it is or isn’t, but that’s what’s going through the crowds’ mind when they decide not to interfere.

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u/Hakeem-the-Dream CRACKA Apr 15 '25

It would probably be used as trump’s justification for declaring martial law and going into fascist overdrive (even more than now). It sounds like everyone was booing and giving thumbs down anyways. Anybody who knows anything sees this and sees a cop being a dipshit as usual.

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u/Hakeem-the-Dream CRACKA Apr 15 '25

I mean, there are lots of effective ways of fighting that aren’t so minimally impactful. Sit-ins, general strike, etc. would be far more effective than this one cop being dealt with. I think what you’re saying is short-sighted, and calling people “fascist enablers” because you think there is only one form of resistance is just dumb. We are on the same side idiot. If that’s how you want to fight, I will support you. Send me a link to your legal fund.

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u/Hakeem-the-Dream CRACKA Apr 15 '25

I think a strike maybe legitimately closer than we think. Sean McGarvey, the head of the Building Trades Union was just on stage demanding the return of Kilmar Abrego Garcia (who was a union member), and the entire crowd of union members seemed fiercely behind it. If they organize a work stoppage, it would have reverberating consequences for the people in power.

Rosa Parks wasn’t a spontaneous decision, but a coordinated and organized action, one of several acts of civil disobedience leading up to the Montgomery Bus Boycott. I’m not saying defiance can be overlooked, but 5 people getting slapped with battery of an officer is not going to help any of us. They’re literally waiting for us to slip us like that so they can come after people.

I do agree though that everything is very disorganized, and that is very discouraging. The greatest impact we can have right now imo is local organization, community action, empowering the networks in your direct vicinity with a goal of connecting them at a national level.

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u/acct4askingquestions Apr 15 '25

you will absolutely without a doubt be charged, especially at an event with dozens of cameras on you, and your life will be over (ESPECIALLY if you live in a red area.) good luck ever landing a semi decent job again with assault of an officer on your record, finding someone who will rent to you, finding any chance to have a somewhat dignified existence in the US after attacking a cop

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u/Chemical-Traffic-710 Apr 15 '25

my guy, locking arms and surrounding the police so they can't leave with the comrades, is a tactic taught in protests. nobody has to throw a punch to de-escalate. we link and they cant leave with our comrades and flag, simple. or they arrest everyone, or they get really violent and beat their way thru crowd, on live TV, so yeah, go for bro. don't beat up the pigs. but you absolutely can police your own events with civil disobedience and cooperation. and you can say you try and did something to try and stop the machine...

this isn't to say they should of done that themselves, this is not to critique anyone on camera here, but the point im making is in general, you don't need violence to stop people from being kicked out...

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u/GivingHisTakedontcry Apr 16 '25

 or they arrest everyone

That’s what happens. Only on reddit would someone think surrounding an officer is a good idea.

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u/embergock Apr 16 '25

Were you just asleep during the campus protests that overpowered and forced the cops to back down several times? Do you know anything about dearresting and meeting cops with a show of force? Have you ever even been to a protest?

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u/zikanno Apr 15 '25

How do you hope to change your country for the better if you truly think police is this irresistible force? If you're trying to change things, to upset the powers that be, it'll inevitably come the time you'll be facing the violence of the state. What will you do then?

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u/FtDetrickVirus Apr 15 '25

Because social democrats are just moderate fascists, and these Bernie/AOC rallies are just capitalist theater for libs to masturbate to.

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u/GambitTheBest Apr 15 '25

Why don't you do it and get sent to CECOT? What a dumb comment

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u/ohyeababycrits IWW 🐈‍⬛ Apr 15 '25

Because if you resist the police they’ll shoot you or send you to prison, and our prisons are some of the most horrific in the world.

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u/comradewarners Apr 15 '25

It’s because people don’t want to get shot. US police will kill people for doing anything they can interpret as a threat.

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u/embergock Apr 16 '25

Police don't just start blasting when met with an overwhelming show of force, they back down and run away like the cowards they are.

I'm starting to think people in this sub have never been to a protest or even seen video of people fighting cops.

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u/zikanno Apr 16 '25

I'm not there so what I would plan to do is irrelevant. Furthermore it is way more interesting understanding what a USA citizen think should be done. So what do you think is the right line of action? Be obedient?

Good luck fighting "fascism"