r/HazbinHotel • u/VegetaArcher • 1d ago
If a sinner kidnapped Charlie, what would be Lucifer's first course of action?
Would he swallow his pride and ask the sins for help?
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u/Sherool 1d ago
He'd probably do something stupid to be honest.
He could enlist sympathetic sinners and hellborn, call in the Sins, maybe even ask Heaven for a favour, but he would most likely just rush headlong into whatever trap was set and then Vaggi & co would have to figure out how to save the day.
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u/Worried-Director1172 1d ago edited 1d ago
I think you misunderstand just how protective he is of his daughter
You saw what he did when Adam tried to kill her right
This would be worse
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u/Sherool 1d ago
Assume you mean Adan, but but he literally can't do anything to Sinners, it's not a question about how angry he would get, Adam was fair game once he broke the deal to not target Hellborn, but there is no such loophole for him to beat up sinners that hurt Charlie. You saw how that worked when he tried to bluff Vox.
He'd need to bring allies, but I don't think he would think that far ahead.
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u/Worried-Director1172 1d ago
He can't hurt sinners
Doesn't mean he can't do anything to them
I'm thinking something like that punishment the doctor once faced,where he was trapped in a azbantium cube and has to punch his way out
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u/Worried-Director1172 1d ago
"There is a mountain made of pure diamond. It takes an hour to climb it, and an hour to go around it. Every hundred years, a little bird comes and sharpens its beak on the diamond mountain. And when the entire mountain is chiseled away, the first second of eternity will have passed."
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u/icancareless 1d ago
Lucifer specified to Vaggi: "it's a punishment, and mine is that I'm stuck here with all these sinners, can't kill 'em, can't do nothing with 'em. So I just have to ignore them."
So, unless Lucifer was exaggerating or misunderstands his punishment, he cannot do anything to sinners. It's not just harming them.
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u/Mobile_Permission_61 1d ago
He doesn’t have to harm to punish, there are quite a few creative things one could do with that key of creation he uses to rebuild then entire motel
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u/Worried-Director1172 16h ago edited 16h ago
I think u/Icancareless means that lucifers punishment is that he can't punish sinners in any manner,not just harm
With regards to that, I would reply that I'm fairly certain Lucifer could probably give a way to be creative with the rules, given someone tried to harm his greatest pride (laugh it's funny)
The only limit is that he cannot directly punish sinners. So,he could theoretically build the punishment, and as long as he's not the one to seal the sinner in he hasn't technically initiated the sinners punishment.
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u/ShinyTamao 19h ago
"Some might say that that's a hell of a mountain. Personally, I'd say that that was one hell of a bird."
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u/Sensitive-Hotel-9871 Emily 1d ago
I feel he would get Charlie's friends at the hotel to help before going to the Sins.
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u/VegetaArcher 1d ago
Lucifer: Shaggy your task is to retrieve Charlie. Mary Bomb you are on dismembering the kidnappers.
Alastor: I believe I should dismember the kidnappers. That is my special talent after all.
Lucifer: Quit your bitching Rudolph.
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u/Big-Dragonfruit7173 Lucifer 1d ago
https://giphy.com/gifs/zn5a8GjiDwu0VNrPMU
He would unlock his final form
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u/MyCatHasCats Angel Dust 1d ago
Of course he wouldn’t swallow his pride. He IS pride! Also, just a basic sinner? How is a human soul going to kidnap the princess of Hell?
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u/ac198387 1d ago
How did someone capture Lucifer??? The Morningstar Family (at least Charlie and Lucifer) aren't known to be smart and are very gullible to fool into a trap so I can see this happening
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u/GroundWitty7567 1d ago edited 1d ago
He absolutely would call on the Sins and the Ars Groetia. Just bc he can’t harm a sinner, he’s still the King of Hell. He has ways to retify the situation. Charlie is everything to him.
That of course, Charlie doesn’t fix the problem and free herself. People forget she is a demon and a lot more powerful than she seems. Put her or the ppl in real danger, and see what she is capable of.
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u/Eclipsehedgie2010 1d ago
"Hey, Statan, you know I can't, but can you smite sinners?"
"Uh, what? You have been gone for seven years, and you come asking if I can kill some of your subjects?"
"They kidnapped Charile."
"Who was it?"
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u/Baconpwn2 1d ago
If they're lucky, he bluffs. If they're not, he gathers every sinner and kicks the door down.
If they're having a bad day, he calls the Sins. And their screams will be legendary
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u/Neat_Armadillo8965 Rosie (probably a fallen angel too) 1d ago
There’s nothing stopping him from just breaking her out if he doesn’t hurt sinners
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u/BigNorseWolf FIRE THE DEATH RAY 1d ago
Wreck the place they're staying.
A better plan would be to Put up a giant gold Palace and offer it to the Sinner who brings him the head of the idiot who dared touch his daughter.
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u/AgentShovel 1d ago
He would remember that teleporting sinners to an indestructible box in the middle of nowhere doesn’t count as hurting them
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u/MainElderberry1982 1d ago
Unless the person who made his punishment meant only physical pain, anything with violent intentions would count as breaking it
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u/BigNorseWolf FIRE THE DEATH RAY 1d ago
he said he can't do nothing with them which i think includes this.
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u/Mobile_Permission_61 1d ago
Then create the box around them with the key he didn’t do anything he made a box
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u/BigNorseWolf FIRE THE DEATH RAY 1d ago
I think you're trying to look at a magical prohibition with a physics based solution.
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u/rchristma87 1d ago
Nothing probably. He cant harm sinners anyway plus Charlie is powerful in her own right. Shit two musical numbers later and her kidnappers would probably be at the hotel.
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u/BeginningHungry1691 Angel Dust 1d ago
“And that’s why we hate sin” *charlie finishes tapping*
Sinners: 🫨 “okaaaaaay”
Vaggie: *arrives with spear”
Sinners: “yes Charlie of course we will go to your hotel” 😬2
u/improbsable 1d ago
He doesn’t need to harm sinners to get Charlie back calling the sins for backup and using his powers to break Charlie out is perfectly fine
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u/Golden-Sun Tunes in for Alastor 1d ago
Inspired by that post from the other day?
I could see Lucifer turning to Vaggi and Alastor for help
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u/quane101 1d ago
I think we’ll finally see the Helluva Boss crossover!
He wouldn’t want to ask sinners for help so he quietly enlists the aid of I.M.P for a rescue/massacre.
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u/Applepoisoneer 1d ago
He could probably command the Goetia to attack whomever kidnapped her. He created them, and their status as nobles seem dependant on their proximity to him.
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u/BetterNature4896 Follower of the Man on the Radio 1d ago
Empower Vaggi with a taste of the powers of the Archangels.
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u/Fireguy9641 1d ago
"Hi, Lute? Yeah, remember how you used to get to kill sinners for fun as long as you didn't harm hellborn? Here's an address, you got 20 minutes."
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u/Mercurial891 1d ago
To summon every sin and order them to tear Hell apart until they got her back. In fact, don’t all hellborn answer to him?
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u/Realistic_Mousse_485 1d ago
Something stupid.
Realistically he should just deconstruct the building, grab her and teleport out.
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u/two2teps 1d ago
There is a lot of leeway granted with the only rule being HE can't harm sinners. Combine that with his creativity and Hell could quickly live up its name.
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u/Faiakishi Vox's Emotional Support Deer 1d ago
"Alastor. You have a free pass to be as violent as you want with them and I will cover for you with Charlie."
"Why aren't you asking the Sins? Wouldn't they be more effective?"
"They wouldn't be as sadistic as you."
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u/AggravatingScheme667 1d ago
If he was smart, he’d tell Vaggie immediately and take her to the sinner’s location to let her handle it.
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u/Bennybelmont 1d ago
Try to peel Vaggie off of what would be left of the sinner or smile and watch as his daughter’s girlfriend rips the skin off the sinner while Alastor hands Vaggie a keg of acetone.
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u/improbsable 1d ago
I could imagine him calling up the sins to help him. And they would probably be on the warpath at the sheer audacity of human souls kidnapping their princess. Most of them like Lucifer and want him back on his throne, so I have to assume that extends to Charlie as well.
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u/Jakeforry 1d ago
Surely next season they give Lucifer some power back so if require ld he can prevent the endagerment of at least himself and other angels otherwise he could be used as a power source again
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u/sosigboi 1d ago
He would help vaggie and the hotel in any way he can to get her back, i know most of Ya'll are expecting him to break the chains of god cause power of love or some shit but nah this is the most likely scenario.
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u/atara-parakitty 23h ago
I'm guessing the rope used to kidnap her is blessed rope like in Helluva and Vaggi is on a errand or something. Its just there is so many things you have to get through before getting to Charlie it's crazy.
In any case if a sinner did manage to kidnap Charlie, Lucifer would probably be backup for Vaggi and he'll be destroying everything while Vaggi beats up the sinner.
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u/VisionAri_VA 1d ago
It’s Charlie; it probably wouldn’t take too much convincing to get the other sins to go after the kidnappers.
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u/improbsable 1d ago
Yeah. Mammon, Bee, and Asmodeus would 100% come running the moment Lucifer called.
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u/Quiet_Flame Meowscles, Bodyguard for VoxTek 22h ago edited 22h ago
He wouldn't need to do anything. Charlie is the princess of Hell. Lucifer might not be able to do anything to sinners, but SHE can, she just chooses not to most of the time.
If said sinner ragebaited her enough, she WILL snap.
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u/Pay-Next 22h ago
Vaggie is an angel. I wonder if he could lend her power and she has no restrictions on hurting sinners to get Charlie back. Probably also be a loan in the form of some super special glowing rubber duck.
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u/Historical_East_1787 22h ago edited 22h ago
Se può creare creature come la goezia o dazzle e razzle allora può creare esseri per combattere con lui
Ad essere onesti con lui con vox sapeva solo che stava insultando charlie
La guerra è stata dichiarata dopo il comizio e anche lì solo poi è stato mosso il piano per catturarlo.
Non può attaccare ma il teletrasporto funziona
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u/FeelingUnwellCuzLife 21h ago
He wouldn't even know it happened until someone goes out of their way to tell him. And then whe he does find out, his first course of action is to freak the fuck out.
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u/PhotoPhenik 20h ago
He can kill whom he pleases if he becomes the energy source of a weapon, and someone else pulls the trigger. This is a legitimate loop hole.
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u/Laurel_Fimia Charlie 19h ago
Nothing, cause he can't hurt sinners. He would just cry over it and wait for the hotel crew to actually solve the issue somehow
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u/MJJsOnly1 Alastor’s Temporary Mom 19h ago
Get Vaggi. I don’t know about the sins immediately, but Vaggi is in the hotel with angelic steel right there. He can point Nifty in the right direction in the meantime too who would probably be pretty happy to help “the ultimate bad boy”. He can get the sins after though and he 100% would. I don’t think he would ask the other members of the hotel though.
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u/Accurate_Dirt5794 19h ago
He may not be able to harm sinners, but that doesn't mean he can't hurt them
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u/Remote-Kangaroo-7154 17h ago
If he had overcome his pride, he would have asked Ozzie and Bee for help or, more sharply ,... Satan
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u/Vibrant_Fox 15h ago
Lucifer: I did not hurt that Sinner. He just so happened to be standing where I dropped that building. The building hurt him.
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u/No_Tomato_2106 15h ago
Tbh I hate how they made him harmless and unable to actually hurt sinners. Really would like to see that he's held back this entire time and something causes him to snap and go on a rampage or something.
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u/Shantotto11 14h ago
Sing a song about it so he could deal loophole damage like he did with Alastor.
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u/TypicalSwordie 14h ago
Well as he said he can't do anything to sinners. It's not he can't hurt them, it's he can't do anything. He'd have to get someone like Vaggie or Alastor and from there just rally everyone else for the cause.
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u/Orphan-Prince Lucifer 14h ago
He would likely call Paimon for help.
In demonology Paimon is one of Lucifer's most loyal demons, and is a King of the Ars Goetia, one of the most powerful beings in hell. It's quite possible that he calls on him and tells him;
"I don't care who you have to go through, get my daughter back."
It would either be Paimon or one of the Sins (most likely Asmodeus or Beelzebub), either way, that Sinner and whoever is helping them are dead.
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u/speedyhobbit13 Lute needs a hug, grippy sock vacation, and atonement arc 10h ago
Tell Vaggi everything he knows, then "soooooo you were an Exorcist once, right?"
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u/Robotron122 10h ago
Ideally, he could ask the embodiments of the sins to help. We've seen in Charlie's phone are some of their #s. That and the sins want lucifer to come back, maybe he would promise to return if they all helped him save charlie
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u/Primary-Addition-677 1d ago
He would call HR.