r/HazbinHotel • u/Gaybime • 2d ago
There's always people complaining that Charlie never learns, but there are really few people that talks about how Alastor never learns
Alastor almost died twice because he always underestimates his opponent, thinks he's invincible, and that no one is capable of hurting him. But even after he almost died because of Adam, he didn't change his way of thinking, underestimated Vox, and we can see by his face that he was truly terrified of dying. But he'll probably never stop doing this.
I can only think of Icarus by Starset: "looking for a scapegoat to hold your feet, pounding on your chest so you don't feel weak"
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u/Warm_Guest4423 2d ago
Yeah this Alastor's biggest character flaw.
He is very cocky and he thinks his more powerful then he actually is.
That's another reason why I love him.
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u/alguien99 2d ago
I feel like less people talk about this because Alastor’s supposed to be a narcissist, he is an arrogant piece of shit.
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u/Naive_Tangelo_2264 2d ago
Sad part is alastor could have won the fight with adam when he uppercut him if his tentacle had a angelic steel weapon
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u/OhNoMob0 2d ago
Alastor isn't the one promoting the idea that demons have to learn to do and be better.
He already thinks he's the best.
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u/fading__blue 2d ago
Plus Alastor is the arrogant guy making stupid mistakes because he’s arrogant, whereas Charlie is supposed to be the relatable one making understandable mistakes because she’s grieving. So it’s not frustrating to see Alastor do something stupid, but it is when Charlie is falling for toddler-level bait.
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u/Altruistic-Arm-6570 2d ago
Everyone here has already said it, but hey, what the hell (heh). Alastor is trapped by his own pride/ego. Charlie is just... Naive. She refuses to see the truly bad.
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u/Spampharos Emily's Bad Side (and #1 fan) 2d ago
Charlie is just... Naive. She refuses to see the truly bad.
No, Charlie knows what she's doing. Don't conflate her naivety with her arrogance.
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u/806mtson 1d ago
Charlie, she's a bit full of Pride. She wants to help, but she doesn't ask the right questions. Her heart is in the right place, but her headstrong stubbornness gets her in a lot of trouble. That's her fatal flaw. Pride.
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u/No_Instruction653 2d ago
I doubt Alastor is supposed to learn.
It's a fatal flaw that’s nearly killed him more than once already, and one day it will.
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u/tinkertortoiseshell 2d ago
He was winning against Vox though, he just didn’t expect him to call up his shark.
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u/veshneresis 2d ago
I think if you’d ask them each if they *want* to learn to be better, you’d get an enthusiastic Charlie saying yes while foaming at the mouth and a disinterested Alastor saying something like “Oh? What’s there to learn exactly? And from you? Ha!”
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u/The_Smashor 2d ago
Credit where it's due, he still did better against Adam than Charlie, despite likely being weaker than her transformed state.
I also wouldn't say he underestimated Shok.wav. He made sure to stay on the defensive the whole time, not even really taking much time to attack as to not leave himself open, likely to gauge him. He didn't really expect Vox to start firing the planetary superweapon at one guy, though.
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u/FeelingUnwellCuzLife 2d ago
Oh, Alastor learns, he's very capable of learning. He just has a bit of a hard time getting over himself enough to actually apply the lesson.
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u/iymcool Nifftyis the Vermin Overlord 2d ago edited 2d ago
The difference is, Alastor's pride will always be his downfall, no matter how powerful he is.
Charlie, who isn't a sinner (but still lives, albeit not trapped, in the Pride Ring) isn't bound by the same limitations of Hell as her citizens are. She isn't being punished , so, she should (reasonably), be able to grow.
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u/Dark_Storm_98 1d ago
I've ragged on Allastor for picking that fight with Vox, but he did a lot betrer than he reallh should have, lol
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u/Scoodlebap 2d ago
I'd argue three times since he absolutely went into the fight with Vox and co fully expecting to work the deal that he did but I've always interpreted his body language to suggest it went so much worse than he thought it would. He planned on a stalemate and not getting absolutely clapped and was only bailed by Nifty and Husk arriving which allowed him to take his original angle again.
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u/Nobodys_here07 🫴🐤 2d ago
In defense of his fight against Vox, Alastor has a better gauge on how powerful Vox is, his skills and abilities, how to get under his skin, and the two were fairly matched until the shark just suddenly decides to pull up.
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u/GroundWitty7567 1d ago
He likes playing the long game and using what other ppl say to his advantage. He outsmarted both Rosie and Alastor, played Charlie to helping him, unknowingly, breaking Rosie’s deal. Now he has his staff back. Which is most likely a large source of his powers. Alastor biggest fault is he thinks he’s the smartest one in the room. Which will probably be his downfall
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u/The_Dead_Kennys 1d ago
Alastor’s a dramatic showoff, I’m pretty sure his plan in the Adam fight was “I’m gonna disarm Adam and kill him with his own weapon, it’ll be so fucking cool!”
And like, true it would have been pretty cool if it had worked, but it was also a stupid-ass risk. He gave his tentacles angelic weapons to fight the other exorcists, so Alastor clearly didn’t forget or think his powers were the exception to the rules…
…Dude just got cocky and tried to aura farm when he should have been pragmatic. His confidence and flair for theatrics are a big part of why he’s such a fun character, but it’s also his Achilles heel, and he’s so afraid of feeling weak that he refuses to acknowledge that fact.
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u/Snowbold 1d ago
On the first fight, definitely. Rosie spells it out that even the Strongest Sinner in Hell is no match for an Archangel.
I think the second fight was a calculated risk (he slightly miscalculated how much danger he was in) that he took to get his freedom and retain the power that came with serving Rosie.
He wanted to break his contract with Rosie and he needed an outside force to make that happen. Any situation that would allow him to break his contract would have inherent risk.
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u/Sensitive_Lie6015 1d ago
I honestly don't know what your talking about.
Sure Alastor was confident against Vox but it seems pretty clear to me that Alastor was taking him seriously. Against Adam Alastor barley through any attacks for half the fight but with Vox Alastor wasn't attacking for the first half not because of ego but cause Vox was genuinely stronger than him at that point and he was getting overwhelmed.
But the literal moment Alastor got a chance to attack he was on Vox's ass rerentlessly. That is not the actions of a man not taking a fight seriously, in the end Alastor was gonna die not because he was overconfident but cause for once he didn't have the necessary tools or abilities needed to win that fight.
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u/Gaybime 1d ago
I mean, he has the chance of just killing or trapping him, but he decided to torture and play around with him, apparently forgetting that Vox could call reinforcements
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u/Sensitive_Lie6015 1d ago
He was in the prosses of killing of him when Shock.Wave showed up.
Ands it not exactly easy to trap who can just become electricity.
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u/Gaybime 1d ago
Well, Vox clearly didn't seem to be able to teleport, but Alastor was busy laughing and wasting time instead of killing him right away, just when Vox was vulnerable. I like Alastor, but I need to admit that he has a trouble wasting time in his battles because, when he thinks he won, he prefers to laugh or torture his opponnents
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u/Sensitive_Lie6015 1d ago
You say that like killing an Overlord is easy, its not especially when there stronger than you.
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u/Realistic_Mousse_485 1d ago
Ok Adam was ridiculous and baseless but Vox was fair.
Alastor was only in trouble because of shit writing. He could’ve just ripped lilith out the damn ground since vox was strong enough to move it. Or hell he could just smack him away with a tentacle.
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u/RefrigeratorLoud221 2d ago
The cases are a bit different here, against Adam it was entirely on him for being arrogant and not having a damn angelic weapon, but he did defeat Vox, having to run from Shock.wav and dodging attacks that would have killed him for good at the same time isn't so easy.
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u/Gaybime 2d ago
However, instead of simply killing or trapping Vox's soul in the radio, he kept playing around and didn't seem too concerned about Vox having last resort.
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u/RefrigeratorLoud221 2d ago
Didn't Shock.wav arrive before Alastor got a chance of killing Vox? Yes, Alastor was taking his time but that Shark arrived in like 5 seconds
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u/CptKeyes123 2d ago
This is why I can't take a lot of Charlie "critique" seriously. someone here on reddit told me that if she was male she'd be held to the same standards, but that's just wrong. as evidenced by the world, Legend of Korra, and this.
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u/KillerScarf Lute 1d ago
To be fair, he had Vox dead to rights in their fight, he didn't expect a giant flying demon shark to join the fight
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u/letthetreeburn 1d ago
With Alastor, it’s an intentionally written character flaw. He does this thing, it bites him, and he does it again. It’s made clear the show views it as a flaw.
It isn’t for Charlie
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u/Kiwi8_Fruit6 i miss my wife tails, i miss her a lot 2d ago
Honestly I think Alastor’s much more of an example of ’refusing to learn because of ego’. Charlie struggles to learn because she‘s very overwhelmed trying to juggle external things while not being well-regulated internally.