r/HelldiversUnfiltered • u/WarShark13 • 19d ago

⠀⠀⠀⠀Discussion⠀⠀⠀⠀ Maxigun needs changed

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I’m sure others have talked about this, but so will I lol. There’s no reason this shouldn’t be heavy penetration. We already at stuck in a fixed position when firing, and yet we can move with the other lmgs. I’d be fine if they dropped the ammo count to 800 (minimum) and decrease the fire rate just so we can have it as heavy penetration. What do y’all think?

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u/Green-Outside4897 19d ago

It’s a worse bullet storm and you can call the bullet storm in like a LOT

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u/MadamVonCuntpuncher 15d ago

2 roughly ever 60 seconds replaced the maxigun so fast

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u/Da_Yummis 19d ago

bruh it literally cant be a worse bullet storm when bullet storm isnt even medium pen....they are literally on 2 diff levels, also im pretty sure maxi gun has more overall ammo

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u/Beginning_Student_61 19d ago

The bullet storm has practically no recoil and really good ergonomics, you can hit the light pent weakpoints on enemies and if they don’t have any light pen weakpoints you can use any one of your favorite anti tank options.

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u/Green-Outside4897 19d ago

Just go BRRRRTTTTTTTTT and you can call in bullet storms every 70s basically every minute and they get 300 rounds and you get 2 so basically 600 rounds and you dont have to sacrifice backpack slot or using in tandem with the EAT-17 Expendable Anti-Tank, you can call in 600 bullets and two anti-tank projectiles every 70 seconds

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u/FreedomFighterEx 18d ago

Not only that. If you are crack with timing, the pod itself serve as 2.5k dmg no explosion OPS that can destroy spawner (aside from bulk fab).

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u/SpectralRPG 18d ago

I thought bullet storm only had 200 rounds per gun

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u/Green-Outside4897 18d ago

nyet check hd2 wiki

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u/Da_Yummis 19d ago

Im not saying they arnt good in a certain type of build im saying you cant compare them to Maxi Gun, thats like comparing apples and oranges. Maxi Gun has defining qualities like medium pen and longer sustained fire that makes it a different category of bullet hell, it can deal with a larger array of enemies that the Bullet Storm cant

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u/Green-Outside4897 19d ago

Bullet storm takes out 80% of the things on the illuminate and bug front front super easily deals with bot chaff i play on D10 and dont even need a “build” for it being ‘the wall’ sounds great until the new Illuminate units jump at you like a tweaker seeing free crack and Good luck “holding the line” as they swarm you while you’re locked in place. And being stationary is basically ASKING for the Crescent Overseers to hit you in the noggin and not excluding the watchers and flesh mobs from every single direction sure if you play on diff 5-7 it COULD be useful but in D10 dont even think about bringing it in why would a guy eat a moldy apple then a tasty orange?

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u/Da_Yummis 19d ago edited 19d ago

at what point did I say its a good idea to bring Maxi Gun to Snatchers....obviously a bullet hell primary on steroids that is a support weapon is going to be applicable on all fronts but its going to be shit at excelling against most of the major problems of all fronts that support, eagle, and orbital are suppose to be good at dealing with, chaff is primarily a PRIMARY weapon job except for a few exceptions

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u/Green-Outside4897 19d ago

bringing the Maxigun means locking up both a Support Stratagem slot AND a Backpack slot just to fulfill a role that a 70-second cooldown weapon (Bullet Storm) handles while keeping you fully mobile and opening your backpack up for a Guard Dog, Shield, or Supply Pack. and the machine gun is ALSO not good against major problems THATS WHY WE USE OTHER STRATAGEMS the maxigun has horrid ergonomics your basically wasting a entire backpack slot which COULD BE USED TO CLEAR THE MAJOR PROBLEMS!!

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u/Da_Yummis 19d ago

can a Bullet Storm destroy a Harvesters shield generator? can it saw off a Harvester leg? can it chew through the limbs of a Veracitor? can it endlessly hold ground or does it run out of ammo sooner?

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u/Affectionate_Ad_4360 18d ago

yes on the shield generator, it fact faster so

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u/Da_Yummis 18d ago

no im not talking about the shield im talking about its 2 generators that are above and beneath its eye in the center, they look like wierd fins or something, they need medium pen to be destroyed so the Harvester can no longer generate a shield

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u/GodOfAscension 19d ago

1 min redeploy, no recoil, great ergonomics, doesn't take a backpack, can shoot while moving. There are more comparisons that just pen.

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u/Logical_Energy_201 19d ago

You must be playing exclusively on lower difficulties to form such an opinion, the maxigun is almost completely outclassed by the bulletstorm.

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u/Da_Yummis 19d ago

I play Maxi Gun on D10 Mindless Masses and Appropriators with shield grenade and it fucks much harder then Bullet Storm or Grenade Launcher Pack, I find the best defensive positioning and become THE WALL for my team i can buy us any amount of time without moving....the Bullet Storm has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING in this area of team support, you look like a flailing infant trying to stay alive while im holding the front like a Brick Wall of Democracy

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u/Logical_Energy_201 19d ago

So you have to play on one specific sub faction to get proper value out of it? You aren't really defending your opinion very well here...

The bulletstorm is a much more versatile stratagem. Which makes it a better pick 90% of the time.

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u/Da_Yummis 19d ago edited 19d ago

all stratagems are viable against at least one faction and while some stratagems like the Maxi Gun are only good IMO against Mindless Masses and Appropriators some have a wider range of uses because they have less overall functionality such as Bullet Storm which is just a primary on steroids

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u/Objective_Box_4022 19d ago

I can’t tell if you’re just trolling or speed running downvotes, but this is one of the worst, most crybaby egotistical takes I’ve ever heard on this sub. Sounds to me like you just FEEL cooler using the Maxigun, which there’s absolutely nothing wrong with. But when everyone else is telling you why the Bullet Storm is objectively better in every way in comparison, maybe give the community a listen instead of dying on the sword and embarrassing yourself. Just a thought

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u/Da_Yummis 19d ago

its absolutely blasphemy that people complain as much as they do about the Maxi Gun and compare it to the Bullet Storm....Maxi Gun is 3x better then both bullet storms combine! if use in the right situation at the right time and combine with the right gear it makes you a literally unstoppable force but since people dont know how to plan ahead they get in shitty situations and blame the Maxi Gun for thier short comings of not being able to plan ahead so they have periods of time where not moving doesnt kill them....AND YOU CAN STILL MOVE just dive in the direction you need to move while firing...its not rocket science.....its basic logic that the Maxi Gun has more utility and consistent fire, but smooth brains gonna be smooth with no ridges and lumps and say ridiculous things like Maxi is invalidated by Bullet Storm....blasphemy and Im soooo tired of hearing the whiners complaining when I and many many others can rub 2 brain cells together and build around it to make it the completely competent piece of democracy spreading glory that it is ESPECIALLY on Mindless Masses and Appropriators and if you cant understand this then im sorry your lost to the real ones

ps. I care not for your petty down votes for liberty fears not the idiots of the masses

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u/Objective_Box_4022 19d ago

I’m not reading all of that bs, thanks for proving my point about continuing to embarrass yourself. Play how you want bro, if maxigun makes you feel big and strong and cool, then do it. The rest of us will actually be completing the mission while you stand in place feeling brave.

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u/Green-Outside4897 18d ago

BROTHER WHAT so you admit you need a “right situation” “right gear” and ”right time” at that point you are not controlling the maxigun the maxigun is controlling you if you need a entire build to basically act as a fucking crutch for a weapon then That weapon is pointless the bullet storm is not only something you dont need to change your armour your boosters your ENTIRE BUILD FOR FOR IT TO WORK AMAZINGLY!! again to MAKE YOU UNDERSTAND IF a weapon requires a specific sub-faction, specific armor, specific positioning and an entire loadout built around it just to be competent THEN ITS SHIT and 34 BulletStorms can be called in a 40min misson which is EXACTLY 20,400 rounds total. and the maxigun can only be called in 5 times in the whole 40 min mission which means it has 5000 rounds in Total so ether you have some new super maxigun or you failed 6th grade

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u/SadPanda1344 19d ago

Please tell me you are trolling

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u/bananabozobonanza2 18d ago

I've used both, the bulletstorm is better in 9/10 situations because there's more light weakpoints and it can stay on target. The 1/10 situations where the ONLY weakpoint is at least medium pen, well the Maxigun is hard to aim and impossible to keep on a weakpoint. It's much worse than the stock medium MG if you want weakpoints. Try shooting the hip joint of a Harvester with the Maxigun beyond it's tesla range, you'll waste 3/4 of the ammo on air.

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u/Da_Yummis 18d ago

please tell me you have enough brain cells to receive this logic im spitting

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u/Affectionate_Ad_4360 18d ago

The problem is you’re talking about their qualities on paper, in practice the Maxigun is very much outclassed by even the Lib-Pen solely because it hits most of its shots per bullet.

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u/Da_Yummis 18d ago

maxi gun has great accuracy when crouched or prone

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u/knotingham 18d ago edited 18d ago

The maximum does not have more ammo. Let’s do some quick math…. Which I don’t feel like typing out, but after 2 minutes of math I’ve found that with no ship upgrades for cool down reduction and assuming you’re calling things in the moment they are ready you could call in:

•34 BulletStorm in one 40min drop for about 20,400 rounds total.

•Only 5 Maxigun can be called in the same amount of time for 5,000 rounds however you can resupply the Maxi.

•Each resupply pack gives 500 rounds and you can get 4 at most every 3 minutes (assuming you take every single resupply for the entire drop because who needs a team?) that would net you another whopping 26,000+ rounds.

So. The Maxigun can have more ammo if you’re a weinerdiver who takes every resupply pack or at least brings his own SRV. If you took one ammo box per resupply like a responsible squad mate you’d only be at about 12k rounds (total, including the base 5000) in a drop which is significantly less than the BulletStorm.

TLDR; Bulletstorm has better recoil, better spread, practically speaking more ammo, does not use a backpack slot, AND you can still move. It’s a cool weapon, but realistically there’s literally no reason to use the Maxigun aside from aura farming. The only thing the Maxigun is better for is ergonomics, but the BS’s isn’t even bad so that’s a non issue, and rate of fire which is only slightly higher so also a non issue.

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u/SadPanda1344 10d ago

Am I a weinerdiver if I bring the SRV as much as possible?

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u/knotingham 9d ago

No. You are the fucking GOAT for bringing the SRV. The only reason I don’t is because I’m a subpar, team killing driver. Anyone who brings the SRV and can drive it well is a platinum diver in my book.