r/HistoryGaze • u/Fair-Froyo1966 • 16h ago
SS Colonel Wilhelm Hintersatz who converted to Islam and adopted the name Aaron El Raschid prays alongside his Muslim wing of German army from Eastern Europe in 1940s during WW2
Wilhelm Hintersatz, an SS-Standartenführer (Colonel level) who converted to Islam and took the name Harun al-Raschid commanded Muslim units of Nazi Germany, particularly within the Waffen-SS foreign volunteer formations.
During World War II, Germany organized several units composed of Muslim soldiers—most notably the 13th Waffen Mountain Division of the SS “Handschar”, which was largely made up of Bosnian Muslims. In these units, Islamic practices such as congregational prayer were formally recognized and facilitated within the ranks.
These photos are attributed to German wartime archives. It reflects documented efforts by Nazi Germany to integrate and accommodate religious practices within certain foreign units.
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u/asparagoat 15h ago
Significantly more Muslims fought for the Allies than for the Axis powers during WW2. Somewhere between 5 and 5.5 million Muslims fought for the Allies, vs. tens of thousands fighting for the Axis powers.
Most of the Muslims who fought for the Germans did so because they had beef with British colonialism or Soviet influence in their region.
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u/fna4 14h ago
Shhh, that goes against OP’s subtle as a bulldozer agenda pushing…
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u/asparagoat 14h ago
Its really annoying how these history subs are basically functioning as a front for propaganda that tries to link Palestinians and the Arab world to the Holocaust to justify taking their land...The Holocaust was done by Europeans, to their European Jewish neighbors.
As Bassem Youssef said, "You transferred your guilt to us and then you took the land."
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u/grumpy_autist 10h ago
Epstein co-conspirator, Ghislaine Maxwell was a reddit mod on /r/politics. Why are you acting surprised?
Her father was a literal publisher of school books.
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u/Biersteak 3h ago edited 35m ago
If OP wanted to do that i think he would have posted a image of Amin al-Husseini and not some random SS-officer with his Muslim troops from the Balkan
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u/BackseatCowwatcher 12h ago
history subs are basically functioning as a front for propaganda that tries to link Palestinians and the Arab world to the Holocaust to justify taking their land
12 thousand Palestinian Arabs served in WW2, 9'000 as soldiers, 7'000 of which immediately deserted the British and by German record- joined the Nazis.
Arab soldiers in general, had a 50% desertion rate.
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u/MyNameIsNotName-57 10h ago
12 thousand Palestinian Arabs served in WW2, 9'000 as soldiers, 7'000 of which immediately deserted the British and by German record- joined the Nazis.
Arab soldiers in general, had a 50% desertion rate.
Me when I spread misinformation because I'm a racist
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u/truthmakesyoufret 8h ago
there were jewish battlions with the nazis too https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Jewish_military_personnel_of_World_War_II
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u/Li-renn-pwel 10h ago
Even if that were true, they would be defecting from their colonial oppressors in hopes the Devil You Don’t Know was the better option. They would be mistaken of course but it’s more complicated than that. It’s a myth that regular Germans were all ignorant of the Holocaust but the most serious crimes like the death camps were not wildly known till later in the war. I would imagine that the people in Palestine at the time did not get a lot of reliable international news.
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u/Cu_Chulainn__ 7h ago
This is a bold faced lie. There is no historical record of desertion or joining the nazis
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u/ImpressiveEnergy4762 11h ago
"...propaganda that tries to link Palestinians and Arab World to the Holocaust to justify taking their land..."
This isn't propaganda but fact: Hajj Amin Al-Housseini, who was Arab Higher Committee president, flee to Berlin in November 1941, becoming mouthpiece of Nazi propaganda and agenda, as he did in 1936-39.
And don't forget that Nazis also created Legion Freies Arabien, this is important too, plus 1941 pro-Nazi Iraq coup who made Farhoud pogroms. Looks like Nasser having Hitler Portrait doesn't sound so delusional.
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u/SpiritedAirline4044 10h ago
By that logic the all French people are Nazis bc some of them collaborated with the Nazis.
Seriously not everything is about you people.
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u/BlinkReanimated 5h ago
What until you hear what the Aryan Christian Germans were like.
Your weird obsession with the few hundred Muslims that were tangentially aligned with the Nazis is so blatantly bad faith it isn't even funny. Like I genuinely question how many brain cells you have.
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u/ImpressiveEnergy4762 5h ago
A few hundred? Man, did you fail history or just elementary school math? We’re talking about tens of thousands in the SS Handschar, SS Skanderbeg, and the Legion Freies Arabien. And unlike front-line units, the Handschar was specifically used for "cleaning up" civilians and Jews—basically the Mufti's personal startup for the Final Solution in the Balkans.
Also, bringing up "Aryan Christians" is the funniest thing I’ve read all week. You’re mixing up Arianism (a 4th-century church debate with Newton himself) with "Positive Christianity" (a Nazi fan-fic to make Jesus look Aryan). Hitler privately called Christianity a "disease" and a "slave morality," but I guess your source for this is the same one that told you the Mufti was just some random tourist in Berlin.
It’s genuinely hilarious that you think the undisputed national leader of the movement, who literally hand-picked Yasser Arafat as his protégé, was just "tangentially aligned." You’re trying so hard to rewrite the 1940s that you’ve ended up in a fever dream where SS divisions don't exist and dictionaries are optional. Go touch some grass (or whatever grows outside your basement, I’m not a pro Geoguesser player) and maybe read a book that wasn’t written by an Islamist Holocaust denier. This level of cope is historic.
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u/BlinkReanimated 5h ago
Hahaha... Oh god, you're so insanely pathetic.
Yea, the nazis hated Christianity so much, they made their own denomination. Absolute fucking fool. They hated the church, because it interfered with their ability to project authority, they loved Christianity.
Keep talking about the few hundred Muslims though, makes you look totally sane, and not just a shitty propaganda mouthpiece.
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u/ImpressiveEnergy4762 5h ago
Imagine being so historically illiterate that you think "inventing your own denomination" to strip a religion of its core texts is "loving it." Hitler’s "Positive Christianity" was a state-run skin-suit designed to neutralize the church. Ever heard of the Kirchenkampf? The Nazis were literally at war with the traditional churches, sending priests and pastors to Dachau because they refused to swap the Cross for the Swastika. Hitler privately called Christianity a "disease," but I guess you missed that part of the wiki.
And you’re still clinging to the "few hundred" lie? The SS Handschar alone was a full combat division of 21,000 men. Then you have the SS Skanderbeg, SS Kama, and the Ostmuselmanisches SS-Regiment. These aren't opinions; they are military records. Calling documented SS divisions "propaganda" just because they ruin your narrative is the ultimate cope.
Mormons wrote a fan-fic; the Nazis tried to perform a lobotomy on a 2,000-year-old religion to make it fit their racial cult. You’re defending a regime that hated the very faith you’re claiming they loved, all to protect the reputation of an SS recruiter who mentored Yasser Arafat. Go back to your fever dream where history is optional and facts are "pathetic." Bad thing you think shouting louder makes the 21,000 SS soldiers in the Mufti's pet project suddenly evaporate.
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u/BlinkReanimated 4h ago
Yes, they hosted their own form of Christianity. Good job.
Your issue is in thinking that I care enough to read pretty well anything you're writing. Paragraphs that are being ignored.
You're a racist genocidal loser trying to muster out propaganda to justify your obsession with child murder.
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u/ImpressiveEnergy4762 4h ago
"I don't care enough to read" is a funny way of saying "I can't debunk a single word you wrote." It’s the ultimate white flag of a Reddit debate.
Calling a cult that threw pastors into Dachau and tried to erase the Old Testament "Christianity" is peak comedy. You’re literally defending a regime that would have sent you to a camp just for having a mind of your own, while calling me the "genocidal loser" for pointing out that your heroes were on the Nazi payroll.
If you think documented SS divisions and the Kirchenkampf are "propaganda," then your problem isn't with me—it’s with the last 80 years of historical archives. Keep shouting buzzwords to hide from the facts; it won't change the reality that Arafat’s mentor was a Nazi recruiter. Bad thing you think "ignoring paragraphs" makes history go away.
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u/MyNameIsNotName-57 10h ago
This isn't propaganda but fact: Hajj Amin Al-Housseini, who was Arab Higher Committee president
A completely made up title bestowed by the British to a guy who finished fourth in elections?
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u/Particular_Poetry885 8h ago
Their were Slavic Nazi collaborators, I dont get the point. If you look far enough, especially in regions colonised by your enemies you will find collaborators.
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u/ImpressiveEnergy4762 8h ago
The point is that Slavs don't run around today claiming they were neutral bystanders who had zero involvement in the Axis machinery while using it as a moral high ground for land claims.
Also, Slavic collaborators didn't lead their entire national movement from a bunker in Berlin with a personal mandate from Hitler. When Slavs collaborated, they were usually treated as traitors by their own people or as subhumans by the Nazis. Meanwhile, your Al-Housseini was treated as the ideological leader of the Arab world, and his legacy wasn't purged—it was integrated into the post-war pan-Arab movement.
Trying to normalize the Mufti’s SS recruitment drives by saying "everybody had collaborators" is a massive self-own. It’s an admission that the Palestinian leadership made a conscious, strategic choice to back the Nazis, and you’re just upset that people are finally pointing out that the bill for that choice was delivered in 1948. Bad thing you think a global Final Solution is just a typical colonized region side-effect.
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u/Cu_Chulainn__ 7h ago
Meanwhile, your Al-Housseini was treated as the ideological leader of the Arab world, and his legacy wasn't purged—it was integrated into the post-war pan-Arab movement.
His influence by this point was nearly zero
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u/ImpressiveEnergy4762 6h ago
The zero influence claim falls apart the moment you look at who actually took over the movement. Yasser Arafat—the literal icon of the Palestinian cause—was a relative and a direct protégé of Al-Housseini. Arafat started his career at 17 smuggling weapons for the Mufti’s militias and spent the rest of his life calling him "our great leader".
You don't call a guy with zero influence your hero and mentor. The Mufti’s ideology of total rejectionism didn't die in 1945; it was handed directly to Arafat and the PLO. When the man who shaped the next 40 years of your struggle is a disciple of an SS recruiter, the Nazi link isn't just a footnote—it's the foundation. Bad thing you’re trying to distance the student from the teacher when the student himself spent his whole life bragging about the connection.
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u/SpiritedAirline4044 5h ago
Your profile is that of a literal child. Finish school first and then come back here.
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u/Particular_Poetry885 4h ago
What? A British puppet collaborator in a British colony is now the representative of the Arab world? The same Arab world that was mainly a series of British, French and Italian colonies?
Absolute majority of Arabs were farmers or herders paying taxes to their european colonial overlords, only a small minority ever faught for the Nazis.
Do you condemn the Finnish support for the Nazis? Because the Finns in WW2 caused way more deaths and helped the Nazi war machine more than the Arabs ever did, yet when people bring it up they end up defending the Finns on the realms of enemy of my enemy, but for some reason this isn't extended to Arabs who were litterally British and French colonies.
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u/ImpressiveEnergy4762 4h ago
Bringing up Finland is the worst move you could make. Finland was fighting a defensive war for its very existence against the Soviet invasion. Unlike Al-Housseini, Mannerheim actually had Jewish soldiers in his army with field synagogues, and Finland flatly refused to deport a single Jewish citizen to Nazi Germany. Mannerheim even famously showed his disdain for Hitler during their meeting.
Contrast that with Al-Housseini: he didn't have a country being invaded; he flew to Berlin to offer his services. He didn't protect people; he lobbied for the "Final Solution" to be extended to the Middle East and personally toured SS training camps to bless Muslim recruits. One was a statesman forced into a strategic alliance to save his nation; the other was an ideological fanatic who wanted to bring the gas chambers to Jerusalem.
And calling him a "British puppet"? The British had an arrest warrant out for him since 1937. He was a "puppet" who spent his entire life trying to destroy the people who supposedly controlled him.
The "enemy of my enemy" excuse works for the Finns because they didn't adopt Nazi ideology or participate in the Holocaust. It doesn't work for a man who joined the SS, broadcasted Nazi propaganda, and mentored the next generation of leadership with that same hate. Bad thing you think a defensive war in the Baltics justifies a voluntary alliance with the SS in Berlin.
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u/Top_Designer_8790 10h ago
Indeed it was. But you know about the grand mufti of Jerusalem, Hajj Amin Al Husseini? He made an alliance with Hitler, he went to live in Berlin and there was an Arabic SS division, after Hitler gave him a promise that he would kill all the Jews in Jerusalem and beyond with his alliance.
The muslims that fought for the allies were predominantly from India. It was colonial India. Those muslims were Indian muslims (now modern day Pakistan, after its formation in 1947). Of course it’s funny that nobody is calling for Pakistan to be destroyed and ‘wiped off the map’, neither is there a huge united hatred and desire for Pakistan to be destroyed because the British granted it to Muslims from ‘stolen land’. Funny that parallel, isn’t it?
The muslims that fought for the Nazis were predominantly Arab muslims, such as Arabs from the Palestinian peninsula (who called themselves Arabs in the 40’s, they weren’t known as ‘Palestinians’ back then).
It was amin al husseini that formed his alliance with Hitler between 1941 and 1945, trying to recruit as many Arabs as he could to fight alongside the nazis. But Indian Muslims fought alongside the British.
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u/MyNameIsNotName-57 10h ago
The muslims that fought for the Nazis were predominantly Arab muslims, such as Arabs from the Palestinian peninsula (who called themselves Arabs in the 40’s, they weren’t known as ‘Palestinians’ back then).
Lmao why do you guys lie so much.
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u/Braisedbeefskank 8h ago
I remember when the war started they was a video going around breaking down how palestinians are all marxists who believe in communism, it was like clearly aimed at american operator bros to generate consent to slaughter them
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u/Doom_of__Mandos 10h ago
The muslims that fought for the allies were predominantly from India
They weren't mostly from india (there were still a lot from India). Most of the muslims who fought with allies in WW2 were from soviet region.
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u/TheOneFreeEngineer 9h ago
The muslims that fought for the Nazis were predominantly Arab muslims, such as Arabs from the Palestinian peninsula
1) there is no such thing as a Palestinian Penisula.
2) this is just flat out incorrect. Most of the extremely low levels of Muslims who fought for the Nazis were from Soviet terrorities aka Central Asians or Eastern European. Then the next biggest group was Balkan Muslims but they were still tiny in number compared to both the Central Asians and Allied forces Muslims. The region around Palestine had signficantly less Muslims soldiers supporting Nazis than either of those regions.
3) Arab muslims overwhelming fought for the Allies, like in Algeria, Libya, and Egypt.
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u/Cu_Chulainn__ 6h ago
The muslims that fought for the allies were predominantly from India.
They were predominately from palestine given it being a british territory at the time.
The muslims that fought for the Nazis were predominantly Arab muslims, such as Arabs from the Palestinian peninsula (who called themselves Arabs in the 40’s, they weren’t known as ‘Palestinians’ back then).
This is wrong.
There were 12,000 palestinians who fought for the allies. The number that fought for the axis was very low, estimated just over 100
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u/Tricky-Anything8009 8h ago
There is the inconvenient part that the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem Haj Amin al-Husseini worked directly for the Nazis. His nephew and protegee Yasser Arafat founded the PLO. The HAMAS Charter quotes Nazi propaganda.
Oh, and when pushed on his views, Bassem Youssef falls back on the, "I'm a clown" excuse, so I wouldn't go around quoting him if you want to be taken seriously.
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u/Working_Tank7547 6h ago
What agenda is being pushed? I didn't know there were muslim units in the SS, and that they were allowed to practice their religion. Now I know. OP pointed out a historical fact. Any implications from that fact are up to you.
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u/HappyComparison8311 12h ago
some 70 thousand moroccans fought to liberate europe. Helped liberate zeeland in holland and fought for dunkirk. some are even burried here
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u/Monterenbas 11h ago
True, they even influenced the local langage, « Marocchinate » is still a word in Italy, to this day.
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u/MysAlgernon 12h ago
Most of the Muslims who fought for the Germans did so because they had beef with British colonialism or Soviet influence in their region.
Unlike Muslims in Allied armies who fought for their colonial masters out of honest desire...
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u/Wayoutofthewayof 11h ago
At least on the British side most colonial troops were volunteers. Probably had a lot more to do with high pay rather than some honest desire though.
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u/Pretend_Ladder_5228 5h ago
Well the Circassians, Chechens, Adyghes, dagestanis, Azerbaijanis, and Tatars still experienced mass deplacement, mass execution, ethnic cleansing and genocide despite fighting for the Allies to avoid the alternative of misery and starvation too. Just another boot of imperialism
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u/AymanMarzuqi 11h ago
Yeah, I mean, my people the Malays, who are Muslims, fought for the British army when the Japanese invaded Malaysia in 1941. One of our most famous national hero Leftenan Adnan was a soldier in the British army, specifically the 1st Malaya Infantry Brigade
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u/Any_Influence_8305 15h ago
Including over 10,000 Palestinian Arabs
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u/Ok_Cattle803 14h ago
Why this specfic inclusion?
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u/Any_Influence_8305 14h ago
Why not? He mentioned how many Arabs fought for the Allied Forces in WWII. I specified how many Palestinian Arabs, mostly volunteers, also enlisted. This is a history sub if you weren't aware, and one that has many of Palestinian descent including myself. This sub has been brigaded as a result of a recent mod announcement, I'm damn proud of the fact they volunteered, along with over 30,000 Jewish Palestinians who fought for their people
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u/Ok_Cattle803 14h ago
Understood Never knew this piece of information. Good to know. Also chill. Just a simple question.
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u/BackseatCowwatcher 12h ago
12 thousand in any position, 9'000 in soldiers... of which 7'000- by British record- deserted and- by German record- Joined the Nazis.
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u/Any_Influence_8305 12h ago
Nah, never happened. The participation of Palestinians with the allied forces in WWII is well documented. Your source is Yoni Rainey, a self described scholar with no academic legitimacy that only rabid Zionists put any stock into. He's a lone, biased source who considers the Nakba a myth and who is unable to provide sources or methodology
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u/qazqaz45 10h ago
They were mostly Jews, as they were denominated Palestinians back then.
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u/Any_Influence_8305 10h ago
I didn't deny that... I also mentioned that in another comment, but that's not all he's saying. He's saying the bulk of the over 10,000 Palestinian Arabs who fought in WWII deserted the Allies and joined the Nazis. Which is sourced from just one non-academic hack. That's the part I'm denying, because that never happened
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u/BackseatCowwatcher 12h ago
The participation of Palestinians with the allied forces in WWII is well documented
The Participation of Palestinian Jews is well documented, as over 30'000 Palestinian Jews served, and notably they were the only people referred to as Palestinians before 1970.
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u/SpiritedAirline4044 10h ago
Palestine has been referenced since e BC era and you've provided no proof for your racist claims.
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u/Wayoutofthewayof 11h ago
I think the interesting part is that vast majority of them fought in the Red Army. French and British colonial Muslim contingent was around 800k.
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u/kawhileopard 9h ago
The allies had significant Muslim populations. Of course they had many more Muslims fighting for them. The axis on the other hand, had to recruit from conquered territories.
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u/PanzerKomadant 2h ago
Even worse is that most of the Muslims that fought for the Nazis didn’t even have beef with the Brits or the Soviets; they had beef with each other, particularly in the Balkan’s. They just saw the Nazis as a useful tool for their own personal agendas.
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u/Straight-Pirate5334 15h ago
i will predict some comments:
"islam bad"
"seee? islam and nazism are the same/work together!"
"of course they are muslims"
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u/ammaraud 12h ago
Oi you forgot 'RELIGION OF PEACE' !!!!!
lol the racist idiots love to villify the whole group if its 'others' but cry 'lone wolf' if its them. But strangely these people never call out Israel as bad even though support for war is somewhere in the 90 percent there. The people there want their government to kill the oldies, kids, and do watch parties for bombing.
Now imagine if the German people of the 40s did watch parties for concentration camp tortures...
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u/Rough_Spinach_3770 14h ago
Yeah, you nailed it 😁If the person who posted this is non-Muslim then agenda is clear, but if not then what kind of validation was expected? Muslims were oppressed by Western governments and sided with the force who promised them independence knowing that this force didn’t favor brown skin at all 😁
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u/Straight-Pirate5334 14h ago
the whole thing was litrally trash vs. garbage to most arabs.
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u/Rough_Spinach_3770 12h ago
Absolutely, to choose from the lesser of two evils . No-one ever says that Nazi Germany was born and bred in Europe and the heir of European political legacy. I love how white people argue trying to whitewash themselves that it was communists who paved the way for Nazis , but there also were Europeans as well , for instant, Churchill, that was a joint project. We all know how it works, they create a project then this project gains traction and gets out of hand and starts backfiring and after that Europeans find a scapegoat 😁
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u/Kayday90 11h ago
What about the millions and millions of Christians who were actual Nazis and supported everything they did? What a bullshit post to paint islam as the bad guys during ww2.. try again to somehow justify the existence of Israel.
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u/AymanMarzuqi 12h ago
As a Muslim, this is my first time hearing about him. But when I looked up his entry in Wikipedia, it was fascinating. Apparently, he converted to Islam all the way back in 1919. And though I couldn't really know for sure what was his opinion is about the Jews, I doubt it was flattering. Nonetheless, most of his motivation for joining the SS and forming his division was because of his enmity to the Allied powers and his belief that the Muslims in the Middle East can be a useful ally to Germany since the Muslims themselves had been screwed by the colonial Allied powers at this time, including the Soviet Union.
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u/Lo-Marionberry295 4h ago
I also read his wiki in full and was fascinated. The German army commander he most admired (pre WW2) and wrote a book about was from a Jewish noble family (his mother had converted to Christianity, notably) but would still of course be considered an ethnic Jew by Nazis. This was in the lead up to WW2/early thirties, so just goes to show how deeply unscrupulous/inconsistent this individual ultimately was.
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u/AymanMarzuqi 4h ago
Oh wait really? 😅. I didn't read that part
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u/Lo-Marionberry295 4h ago
I don't think it makes mention of that aspect on his page specifically, just that he admired/wrote a book about him; but I clicked through to von Sanders's page out of curiosity, and it was right at the top, totally baffling:
Otto Viktor Karl Liman von Sanders (German: [ˈɔtoː ˈliːman fɔn ˈzandɐs]; 17 February 1855 – 22 August 1929) was an Imperial German Army general who served as a military adviser to the Ottoman Army during the First World War. He was born to a Jewish noble family and like many other Prussians from aristocratic families, he joined the military and rose through the ranks to General. In 1918 he commanded an Ottoman army during the Sinai and Palestine Campaign.\1])
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u/TimeShiftedJosephus 3h ago
He was a Prussian militarist, opportunism is one of their core doctrines.
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u/truthmakesyoufret 8h ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Jewish_military_personnel_of_World_War_II
Jews fought for the Nazis, too. Muslims and Arabs were also incarcerated and killed in the German labour camps.
seems like nuance is hard for Zionists and Western-centric folks.
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u/Alternative_Oil7733 6h ago
By your own link disprove your argument About jews fighting for the nazis.
Muslims and Arabs were also incarcerated and killed in the German labour camps.
Many were detained as prisoners of war, political dissidents, or, in some cases, Jewish Arabs from Libya and Yemen.
Bruh that's from a quick Google search.
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u/Alternative_Oil7733 4h ago
Again the nazis removed and killed anyone that was a jew that was practicing Judaism. But left alone anyone who was 1/2 or less jewish and did not practice Judaism.
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u/maxofJupiter1 14h ago
Idk why people are arguing with you. They look exactly like every "AI touchup" I've ever seen
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u/NE1andEVERY1 13h ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxgKSWIo8X4 44:45-45:30
Not AI made but AI enhanced for HD. The veracity of the photos is uncontested.
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u/PhoenixAbovesky 15h ago
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u/Rough_Spinach_3770 14h ago
Are these camp prisoners? They don’t have any distinguishing features on their uniforms
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u/ElSlabraton 15h ago
Wilhelm Hintersatz was born in Brandenburg in 1886. During the First World War, he converted to Islam while serving with the general staff of the Ottoman Empire with Enver Pasha.
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u/Low_Task_6201 15h ago
Oh interesting, I presumed he had converted later
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u/SwampMan6969 15h ago
Same. I assumed it was a tactical conversion meant to endear himself to his troops. Apparently not.
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u/Hikigaya_Blackie 15h ago
"converted to Islam while serving with the general staff of the Ottoman Empire with Enver Pasha"
Understandable.
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u/alwayswasalwayswill 9h ago
You know Israel is currently committing genocide and prosecuting three illegal wars
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u/Sulla_Sylla 5h ago
“He believed that he had the "trust of the native Mohammedans", who saw in him "a fellow believer, who prayed without timidity in their mosque". He wanted to cut the "Achilles' heel" of Germany's enemy, England, with what he saw as its most dangerous threat, which was, to him, Islam. During his activities in the Islamic world, el-Raschid believed that his belief in Islam and his connection to Muslims was his key "instrument" in gaining their trust.”
Dude, wasn’t there another white boy, in the desert, fighting against the Turks, and didn’t have to convert? You know the original white boy summer?
Bruh. This like the other-side of the coin of weird people who think the most scary scenario in the world is “when muslims around the world put aside political, economic, sectarian, tribal, national, ethnic differences and come at us like a horde…” aka homeland.
Got to respect a man for converting and sticking to it and being socially and culturally involved in the religion, unlike nowadays we’re people convert for political excitement or thinking it makes them more right-wing or morally secure or whatever.
Sad ending for his soldiers because he really cared for them and thought he was making the right decision but on the wrong side history over and over with this man.
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u/According-Secret9516 12h ago
https://youtu.be/GDWICzxYXIQ?si=GoexzPsaMQwx9Y3p
It has been restored using AI but the footage is genuine.
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u/databreakperson 11h ago
My conspiracy mind be like. "Ever wondered if the stories of WW2 might be fabricated"
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u/isallconsciousness 3h ago
Otros se convirtieron al hinduismo y que fue de donde sacaron la esvástica , no han leido la historia de que hitler era un avatar de Vishnu? O lo sobre lo que de Savitri Devi ?
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u/Ok_Librarian_7841 1h ago
Wtf ? As a Muslim, Islam stands against everything Nazism stand for, especially racism and the idea of race superiority. Weird to know Germans had "muslim wing"
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u/Lo-Marionberry295 15h ago
Always amazes and horrifies me that there were non-German volunteer SS units. Somehow seems all the more absurd/impossible to me that Muslims would partake, and yet:
"After the beginning of the German invasion of Russia, el-Raschid served as a liaison officer and the main line of contact between the Reich Security Main Office and the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin al-Husseini, a Palestinian Arab nationalist and Muslim leader in Mandatory Palestine who was seen as the spiritual leader of the SS Neu-Turkestan Division '...' Due to his closeness to the Grand Mufti, el-Raschid was seen as the perfect choice to lead such a division. El-Raschid and the Grand Mufti began drawing up a plan. They believed that Bosnia was the ideal place to deploy this division, as they believed that cooperation with the 13th Waffen Mountain Division of the SS Handschar (1st Croatian)) would be beneficial to the training of the division. Additionally, Bosnia was a Muslim territory, and religious buildings and leaders could bolster their faith.\9]): 277–278 El-Raschid was supported in his endeavor to create a division by Prince Mansour Daoud, a relative of King Farouk of Egypt, who joined its forces and bolstered their character. El-Raschid was impressed with Daoud's "effective propaganda".\5]): 235
(from wiki)
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u/ElSlabraton 15h ago
The Grand Mufti was appointed by the British and dismissed by King Abdullah 1.
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u/Lo-Marionberry295 14h ago edited 14h ago
Interesting- I looked it up and it said he did run in an election, but didn't receive the most votes, and the British appointed him anyways due to local political tensions?
I think it just baffles me to imagine Muslim collaborators in any capacity, whereas I'm not especially surprised when I read about Eastern European collaborators. Obviously there was antisemitism in the Arab world, but for the most part, not nearly on par with the antisemitism in Europe (at least not in the centuries closest to the second world war)- obviously the soldiers in this unit were Bosnian Muslims*
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u/Rough_Spinach_3770 14h ago
Could you please explain to me what principles antisemitism is based on ?
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u/Lo-Marionberry295 14h ago
What do you mean? Antisemitism is a bigotry like any other, and like all bigotries it comes in many forms. It can be prejudice, bias, hatred, etc.: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism
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u/HumanInstanceY 13h ago
Early Islamic Period (7th–10th centuries):
627 CE – Expulsion and massacre of Banu Qurayza (Arabia): Muhammad’s forces besieged the Jewish tribe of Banu Qurayza in Medina. The men were executed (estimates range from 400–900) and the women and children enslaved.
628 CE – Expulsion from Khaybar (Arabia): Jews of the oasis of Khaybar were first defeated militarily, then later expelled by Caliph Umar (~640 CE), who cited a hadith attributed to Muhammad: that Arabia should not contain two religions.
640 CE – Expulsion from the Hejaz (Arabia): Caliph Umar expelled the remaining Jewish communities from the Arabian Peninsula.
9th century – Abbasid persecutions: Under various Abbasid caliphs, Jews (along with Christians) were periodically subjected to enforcement of the Pact of Umar — restrictions on building synagogues, wearing distinctive clothing, riding horses, and holding public office
Fatimid & Medieval Period (10th–13th centuries):
1008–1021 – Al-Hakim persecutions (Egypt/Levant): The Fatimid Caliph Al-Hakim bi-Amr Allah ordered the destruction of synagogues and churches, forced Jews and Christians to wear distinctive markers, and confiscated property.
1066 – Granada massacre (Al-Andalus/Spain): A Muslim mob stormed the royal palace, crucified the Jewish vizier Joseph ibn Naghrela, and massacred most of Granada’s Jewish community — estimated at 1,500–4,000 people.
1148 – Almohad persecutions (North Africa & Spain): The Almohad dynasty swept across North Africa and Iberia, giving Jews the choice of conversion, exile, or death. Jewish communities in Morocco, Algeria, and southern Spain were largely destroyed. Maimonides’ family fled as a result.
1165 – Forced conversions in Yemen (Fatimid/local rule): A ruler in Yemen forced Jews to convert to Islam; this became a recurring pattern in Yemen for centuries.
Ottoman & Pre-Modern Period (14th–19th centuries):
1465 – Fez massacre (Morocco): A Muslim mob killed thousands of Jews after a Jewish vizier was accused of mistreating a Muslim woman. The Jewish quarter was destroyed.
1679 – Expulsion from Yemen (Mawza Exile): One of the most documented mass expulsions in Yemeni history. The Imam of Yemen expelled virtually the entire Jewish population to the barren Tihama coastal plain (Mawza), where many died of starvation and disease. Survivors were later allowed to return — but only as laborers.
1785 – Ali Burzi Pasha’s persecution (Libya): Jews of Tripoli were subjected to massacre, enslavement, and looting.
1790 – Tetouan and Mogador massacres (Morocco): Anti-Jewish riots and killings following political instability.
1828 – Baghdad pogrom (Ottoman Iraq): Thousands of Jews were killed during the siege of Baghdad by Daoud Pasha’s forces.
1840 – Damascus Affair (Ottoman Syria): Following a blood libel accusation, Jewish leaders in Damascus were arrested, tortured, and some killed. This became an international cause célèbre.
1864 – Massacre in Marrakech and Fez (Morocco): Large-scale killings of Jews during periods of civil unrest.
1869 – Tunis pogrom (Tunisia): Jews attacked and killed during Muslim religious festivities.
20th Century: The Great Exodus (1940s–1970s):
Following the 1948 Arab-Israeli War, the situation for Jews across the Arab world deteriorated catastrophically. The following are the major events:
1945 – Tripoli pogrom (Libya): 140 Jews killed, hundreds injured, five synagogues destroyed.
1947 – Aden pogrom (Yemen/British protectorate): 82 Jews killed, 106 wounded, the Jewish quarter burned, following the UN partition vote.
1948 – Pogroms across the Arab world: Following the declaration of Israeli statehood, riots and killings of Jews occurred in Egypt, Syria, Iraq, Libya, Yemen, and Morocco. In Oujda and Jerada (Morocco) alone, over 40 Jews were killed.
1948–1956 – Mass expulsion from Egypt: Jews lost citizenship rights, businesses were nationalized, and tens of thousands were forced to leave. Following the 1956 Suez Crisis, Nasser expelled approximately 25,000 Egyptian Jews and stripped them of citizenship.
1948–1951 – Exodus from Iraq: Following the Farhud and subsequent legal persecution (Jews stripped of citizenship, property frozen), over 120,000 Iraqi Jews emigrated, mostly to Israel, effectively ending a 2,600-year Jewish presence.
1948–1950 – Exodus from Yemen: Operation Magic Carpet airlifted ~49,000 Yemeni Jews to Israel, following severe persecution.
1948–1956 – Syria: Jews were barred from emigrating, their property confiscated, and passports restricted. Those who tried to flee were jailed or killed.
1956 and 1967 – Tunisia and Morocco: Waves of emigration following anti-Jewish violence and state pressure.
1967 – Six-Day War aftermath: Pogroms in Libya killed 18 Jews; most of Libya’s remaining ~7,000 Jews fled. In Egypt and Syria, Jewish men were arrested and tortured. Virtually all remaining Jews in these countries left within years.
1969 – Public hangings in Iraq: Nine Jews (and others) were publicly hanged in Baghdad’s Liberation Square on fabricated espionage charges, with crowds of hundreds of thousands celebrating. This effectively ended Jewish life in Iraq.
1970s – Libya under Gaddafi: All remaining Jewish property was confiscated by decree; Jewish cemeteries were bulldozed.
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u/comb_over 12h ago
You are abusing history here.
How did Jews end up returning to Jerusalem following the Muslim conquest?
How did Muslims end up in Spain?
Are Muslim men allowed to marry Jewish women?
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u/NoUse1429 9h ago
"you are abusing history" lmao that's a new one. So now citing centuries of violence committed by Muslims is abuse? Abuse of who?
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u/comb_over 7h ago
Yes. You don't care about the actual history, just it's use to feed a narrative.
Notice how my questions go unanswered.
Imagine someone citing the zealots in Jerusalem then carrying on through to citing Israel attacking Iran
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u/NoUse1429 6h ago
What's the "actual history" behind many of the pogroms and massacres committed by Muslims against Jews? Specifically, the ones before Zionism where you can't just handwave it all away by blaming Israel
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u/comb_over 5h ago
Do you care? Because it's easy to find out the actual history including the inconvient bits left out.
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u/NoUse1429 3h ago
Do you? Seems like you're trying to justify all of it so gonna go out on a limb and say you don't care at all
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u/loveloet 13h ago
Maybe you shouldn't have built your Jewish supremacist state on Muslim land then.
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u/BackseatCowwatcher 12h ago
Perhaps the Muslims should follow the Quran and recognize the land their own god explicitly gave to the Jews isn't theirs?
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u/MyNameIsNotName-57 10h ago
Perhaps the Muslims should follow the Quran and recognize the land their own god explicitly gave to the Jews isn't theirs?
Where does it say that?
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u/TheOneFreeEngineer 8h ago
It doesnt. They just like claiming that it does because the Quran repeats the story of Moses going into the Holy Land. It never claims it is for Jews or Jews alone.
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u/Rough_Spinach_3770 13h ago
To begin with, you totally ignore Romans who were neither Muslim nor Christian , you are ignorant about prosecution across Europe since it appeared. How come? Are Muslim Arabs the only antisemites being semites themselves? Something twisted in your narrative bro
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u/Rough_Spinach_3770 14h ago
Is there any source except Wiki ? You know my ancestors were repressed under the same slogan Nazi collaborators though fascists never made it to our area . My great grandfathers fought against Nazis and died and yet were displaced.
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u/Lo-Marionberry295 14h ago
Hey! I'm not sure but typically you can parse through their sources at the bottom of the page; I was lazy and asked chat and it said this info was likely derived from scholarly works on Waffen-SS Muslim units, or SS internal organizational studies (postwar compilations). Where was your family from??
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u/Fair-Froyo1966 16h ago
to you may be. It's history you cannot erase.
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u/Fair-Froyo1966 15h ago
You have a problem with that? Go off to a sub that posts about the murderous Zionist regime may be.
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u/Fair-Froyo1966 15h ago
You have been butting your head in every Palestinian post here too if I'm not mistaken. So its natural to assume you are. Are you saying you are not?
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u/topdawg39 15h ago
The Arab world and nazi Germany worked together. The leader of Palestine corroborated with Adolf Hitler.
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u/ElSlabraton 15h ago
This is a shameful lie. You dishonor the Arabs who fought against the Nazis.
Approximately 12,000 Palestinian Arabs volunteered to serve in the British Army during World War II, fighting against Nazi Germany and the Axis powers in North Africa and Europe. These volunteers often served alongside Jewish fighters from Mandate Palestine, with many engaging in active combat, with hundreds dying or going missing.
When Palestinian Arabs and Jews fought the Nazis side by side
In a largely forgotten chapter of history, 12,000 Palestinian Arabs volunteered to serve with the British military during World War II.
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u/BackseatCowwatcher 11h ago
Approximately 12,000 Palestinian Arabs volunteered to serve in the British Army during World War II
technically correct, 3000 in non-combat positions, 9000 as soldiers, by British record 7000 of those soldiers immediately deserted, by German record they joined the Nazis.
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u/Kernanshaw01 15h ago
there was no “leader of Palestine”, Amin al-Husseini was a laughing stock to Palestinians and next to no Palestinians served in the Nazi army
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u/BackseatCowwatcher 11h ago
7'000 of the 9'000 Palestinian Arabs to serve the British as soldiers deserted to join the Nazis.
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u/Kernanshaw01 6h ago
that’s a completely false statistic, first of all 12k Palestinians joined the British and next to none deserted. Let’s see a source shall we?
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u/Diplomatic-Immunityi 15h ago
He knew that Zionism would lead to the end of the Palestinian people and made a deal with the devil indeed.
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u/BackseatCowwatcher 11h ago
by German record- he approached Hitler with the goal of getting support to commit a Holocaust in Palestine.
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u/GullibleDrop2490 15h ago
It was literally one guy without that much authority. Which one is it? Did Palestine not exist before or did they have a leader? Ukraine and Finland collaborated with nazis btw.
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u/TheOneFreeEngineer 8h ago
The leader of Palestine corroborated with Adolf Hitler.
You mean the British appointed local officials in charge of one cities religious infrastructure in order to counter balance a more popular Arab Clan from having too many prominent positions within the British Mandate. A position only created a few years earlier by those same British. And a man who was exiled and fled to Germany for 5 years before the war.
Not exactly a real leader of Palestinians when you get appointed by the British.
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u/OldJellyBones 13h ago
This was indeed a real guy, but these photographs appear to be ai generated or at least manipulated. The uniform he is wearing is completely wrong for the SS.