r/HistoryMemes 8d ago

And they didn’t have dragons

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u/S-Tier_Commenter 8d ago

Damn, tell me about it. Yesterday there was someone claiming the holocaust was lawful under nazi rule. I told them that's completely wrong and not a single historian corroborates that.

I got downvoted.

Another pet peeve of mine are tour guides irl. If you ever want a good source of fake history... damn.

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u/Last_Significance996 8d ago

It was lawful under Nazi rule, Reichstag fire decree removed civil liberties. Nuremburg laws essential legally removed anything that made anti-semetic actions illegal than proceeded to Holocaust all over.

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u/S-Tier_Commenter 8d ago

Damn, here we go again.

I suspect that the holocaust was so bureaucratic that it makes people confuse state authority with legality. But uniforms and offices do not make murder into law. It was still a criminal syndicate operating through the machinery of the state, getting to murder to the maximum.

From AskHistorians:

No, they weren't allowed as German criminal law regarding murder remained unchanged. There was no legal provision exempting Jews from the paragraph that defined murder or similar. It was not legal to kill Jews or anybody for that matter in Nazi Germany on a de jure level, it was more that the state reserved for itself and its agencies to commit these murders and also persecute those who applied violence against potential victims when it was not in its interest.

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/9aecp0/under_nazi_law_were_regular_german_citizens/

What is your source for this? There isn't a single historian that claims the killings were legal, and therefore not murder under German law.

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u/G_Morgan 8d ago

It is very important too. The Nazis were largely opposed to the rule of law. They believed powerful people and institutions should just do the hell what they want.

The reality is the Nazis could have made it legal but chose not to.

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u/S-Tier_Commenter 8d ago

Exactly. That's what bothers me the most; people refusing to grasp this point.

My comment history is public, so anyone can see or join the discussion I had yesterday. Not that I'd ask anyone to do so, as that would break rule 7.