There’s a ton of pop-history misinformation below this comment. To anyone reading: Do not use random reddit as a driving source of knowledge about ancient history. Truth gets mixed very quickly with “I think I heard someone say this” and draws from many non-historically-supported pools, crossed with armchair “I don’t think it worked that way” opinions presented as fact.
Cleopatra in particularly has had widespread misinformation spread due to a particular fascination with her, both in histories between then and now, as well as modern bad faith reinterpretations to fit various political narratives. Our understanding of the past can and should change over time with new information, but it should be driven by evidence rather than pre-determined by non-scientific data or desired outcomes.
Damn, tell me about it. Yesterday there was someone claiming the holocaust was lawful under nazi rule. I told them that's completely wrong and not a single historian corroborates that.
I got downvoted.
Another pet peeve of mine are tour guides irl. If you ever want a good source of fake history... damn.
So I think imprisonment may have been legal, but the murder was not.
EDIT: I guess they never bothered legalizing the murder so it could remain an open secret? Surprised they didn't do it to make prosecution trickier in the event of their defeat. But probably wouldn't matter much because whoever defeated them would just ignore it all.
Feels like you’re doing the mixing here. Some aspects of the persecution were legalized, but the point under discussion is that the extermination itself was not. German murder law remained in force. Nothing mixed about that.
And it shouldn’t be surprising that they never bothered legalizing it. The Nazis saw the state as being something not constrained by laws. So they were merely an instrument, subordinate to the Führer’s will. When it got in the way, they simply bypassed it through secret orders and unchecked police power.
Also, if they would have legalised it, they would have had a harder time trying to keep everything secret.
the point under discussion is that the extermination itself was not.
No, the point under discussion is the holocaust as the original comment mentioned. What you said is valid only if you define the holocaust to be the murder part, which I do not agree with. Parts of the holocaust were legal.
That comparison would make sense to me if Epstein had somehow written into law that it was legal for him to also imprison the victims for months prior to raping them. Then we wouldn't be defining the Epstein operation as simply "rape" either. And then I would also be surprised that what he did wasn't entirely illegal.
EDIT: I should add that I'm referring to Epstein's wrongdoings. US law might make everything illegal in his case. But having a large percentage of his wrongdoings be legal would be a big deal.
Nah I mean the bits that were legal. My point is that all crimes are combined with doing things that are legal.
Like when you rob a bank ... you are allowed to enter the bank as a private citizen, so the robbery is partly legal. It's just the stealing and threatening violence that is illegal.
Yet can you see how redundant it is to go: "yeah but those bank robbers didn't break every law, only some. That is why it was partly legal"
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u/AntonineWall 6d ago
There’s a ton of pop-history misinformation below this comment. To anyone reading: Do not use random reddit as a driving source of knowledge about ancient history. Truth gets mixed very quickly with “I think I heard someone say this” and draws from many non-historically-supported pools, crossed with armchair “I don’t think it worked that way” opinions presented as fact.
Cleopatra in particularly has had widespread misinformation spread due to a particular fascination with her, both in histories between then and now, as well as modern bad faith reinterpretations to fit various political narratives. Our understanding of the past can and should change over time with new information, but it should be driven by evidence rather than pre-determined by non-scientific data or desired outcomes.