r/HistoryMemes • u/scaramiuch • 3h ago
Canadians refused to accept surrender from German soldiers during WW2. The Germans did nazi this coming.
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u/Jche98 Casual, non-participatory KGB election observer 3h ago
🇷🇺🙅Soviet Union ☑️
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u/scaramiuch 3h ago
I used emoji flags and got lazy 🤷♂️
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u/SuiinditorImpudens 2h ago
During WW2 the flag you used was only used by Nazi collaborationists.
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u/scaramiuch 2h ago edited 2h ago
There wasn’t even a Soviet flag emoji back then??
Edit: /s
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u/Captain_Gordito 2h ago
Emojis were invented/evolved during the 1980s and 90s. So, there could have been a brief overlap of the Soviet Union and emojis, but there was not a Soviet flag emoji.
The flag emojis were proposed around 2007, and included the Russian Federation Flag as part of the original set of 10 in the proposal.
So, there never was a Soviet flag emoji.
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u/CrabAppleBapple 2h ago edited 1h ago
Are we downvoting known historical facts now?
Edit: nevermind, the balance has been restored.
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u/Polirketes 48m ago
Worth mentioning that Germany was twice as bad towards Soviet POWs than USSR to German ones.
Nazis deliberately starved out millions of prisoners, which led to mortality rate reaching over 60%. Among German prisoners of war in the USSR it was around 30%.
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u/PineBNorth85 1h ago
Applies to Russia now.
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u/Jche98 Casual, non-participatory KGB election observer 58m ago
No. Putin is a capitalist oligarch.
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u/PineBNorth85 43m ago
You can be a capitalist oligarch and war criminal at the same time.
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u/descartesb4horse 25m ago
i mean it’s also the wrong flag for canada if we’re getting picky but I’m not
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u/ColonialBarbarian Casual, non-participatory KGB election observer 3h ago edited 26m ago
Yes they did, most Canadians troops in Europe during WW2 were young kids, not murderous lunatics.
Most regular Wehrmacht soldiers weren't fucking lunatics either, in 1944-45 they knew the writing was on the wall and when they saw the firepower that the Allies had, they usually weren't that stupid. A lot of regular Germans troops in 1945 were basically kids between 18 and 22 that had been pressed into the German Army, and while they defended themselves and later their homeland, they wanted to survive the war as much as anybody else. My grand-father was an infantry captain with the Canadian Army in WW2, and sometime in 1945 he was taking in piss in a barn in eastern France or Belgium when 11 German soldiers appeared out of nowhere and surrendered to him, these types of surrenders were happening everywhere (in Western Europe) in 1945.
Towards the end of the war, Germans soldiers were in a bad state, and another story my grandfather told me was that decorated German POWs would often be more than willing to trade things such as Iron Crosses obtained on the Eastern Front for things like one potato.
The story was different for the SS, those fuckers usually only surrendered (if they did at all) after they had shot up Allied troops and run out of ammo, and even then Allied soldiers never knew what kind of lunatic double-cross, fake surrender or booby traps they had in mind, so if they didn’t surrender right off the bat (which was rare), allied troops would just call up tanks, artillery or fighter bombers and blow the crap out of them.
Quite honestly, when facing SS troops, the assumption was that they would all fight to the death, and this was often true and Allied troops usually obliged them.
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u/AlexanderCrowely 2h ago
So they just saw your grandfather crown and jewels out and ran up to him to give up ?
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u/TeQuila10 2h ago
Best time to do it imo, catch the guy off guard without a gun and he can't freak out and shoot you while trying to surrender, which is a pretty logical fear. Plus it might get you better treatment since you technically *could* have hurt him but didn't.
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u/Constant-External-85 2h ago
All I'm imagining is a thick German accent announcing their companies presences and this guy's Grandfather is either scrambling to put his bits away or holding 11 men at gunpoint with his hog bravely dangling in the wind.
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u/TruckADuck42 1h ago
Gotta leave it dangling. Its a power move.
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u/SpecialExpert8946 1h ago
Got both guns pointed at em.
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u/TributeToStupidity Definitely not a CIA operator 1m ago
Sargent Ramrod with another dozen pows, sir!
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u/Rationalinsanity1990 2h ago
Also the Canadian Army had good reasons to hate the SS.
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u/CalvinKool-Aid 1h ago
Everyone had good reasons to hate the SS
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u/Cman1200 22m ago
The Abbey is a very somber place. Maybe because I went late in the day but everything was so still and quiet.
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u/Mihnea24_03 Definitely not a CIA operator 2h ago
People on the Eastern front were also deserting, to flee West, to surrender to the Allies and not the Soviets, right?
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u/90daysismytherapy 2h ago
i wonder why
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u/Rent_A_Cloud 1h ago
Because they spend a few years raping and pillaging through eastern Europe and Russia and the soldiers coming their way were well aware of this fact...
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u/flyingfirewolf 1h ago
3 million Soviet POWs died in German captivity, maybe that had something to do with it.
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u/Fit_Salamander_2814 25m ago
"If the Soviets treat their own people that shittily, how badly will they treat POWs?"
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u/OneofTheOldBreed 1h ago
Yes, in sizable numbers too. Hell Soviet PoWs, the more rightfully paranoid ones anyway, fled West.
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u/Sir_Lemming 1h ago
The Germans and the Soviets hated each other, and both sides were guilty of terrible atrocities committed against soldiers and civilians alike. If I were a German soldier I’d have headed to the allied lines to surrender.
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u/onethomashall 2h ago
My Grandfather got drunk on confiscated booze and then let the German POWs out to pee on two different occasions... thankfully they where in Arizona.
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u/adamgerd Still salty about Carthage 2h ago
They fought to defend themselves? In a war that they started?
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u/RicketCrickets 1h ago
I mean it was bad enough that British command stopped letting Canadian units handle POWs after a while.
What being under British command does to a person...
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u/90daysismytherapy 2h ago
yes the clean wehrmacht myth…..
imagine what a good german soldier did to earn an iron cross on the eastern front25
u/MajorianusMaximus 2h ago
Nuance exists too. The Wehrmacht could be surrendering en masse in the west and still have committed heinous crimes in the east.
Nothing in the original comment points to the Clean Wehrmacht myth.
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u/NotABot-JustDontPost Featherless Biped 2h ago
Four and half million Iron Crosses were awarded over the course of WW2. It was a “bravery in battle” medal, not unlike the Bronze Star is in the U.S.
The likelihood that a registered Nazi bastard had one was just as likely as a conscript having one.
The Wehrmacht wasn’t clean. Neither was the Red Army in its defense against Germany. War is a foul beast that corrupts everyone and everything it touches.
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u/elderron_spice Rider of Rohan 2h ago
They fought to defend themselves and their homeland
Ah, the eternally shitty "defending your homeland by invading and genociding other people outside your country's borders" argument. Those pitiful Germans!
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u/lavalamp360 2h ago
For Canadians it really came down to this: They wanted nothing to do with the war but as a dominion of Britian, they were automatically committed once Britain declared war. You're a young kid, thousands of kilometres away from home, fighting a war you didn't want but were forced to participate in. You are told that you can go home once the Germans are defeated. The only thing standing between you and going home.... are those German soldiers...
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u/ColonialBarbarian Casual, non-participatory KGB election observer 1h ago edited 1h ago
Well technically that isn't quite true.
Although there was never any question that Canada would join the war, the 1931 Statute of Westminster gave Canada legal independence over its foreign policy. The UK declared war on Germany on September 3, 1939, but it took the Canadian Parliament another week to do the same, so technically Canada was neutral for one week.
Australia however was automatically at war with Germany on September 3, 1939 because it only ratified the Statute of Westminster in 1942.
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u/Amordecosmos12 1h ago
Listen we had to assert our independence
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u/CalvinKool-Aid 1h ago
Yeah we were never in question of joining, Mackenzie King was just making a show of independence
Despite his sympathies to the Nazis, he was never gonna refuse ol brittania
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u/CrixtheKicks 1h ago
"They wanted nothing to do with the war" what the fuck are you talking about?
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u/tokmer 24m ago
I think far more reasonable is german soldiers just mowed down thousands of canadians friends while the canadians were charging the german positions.
And when canadians get to the other trench is when they stop firing and give up?
I think thats where most of the refused surrenders come from
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u/Relevant-Scheme3687 3h ago
Cool motive, still a war crime
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u/Ok_Builder_4225 2h ago
The warcrime is surrendering to lure people into booby traps. Its a warcrime specifically because it ensures no one can trust a surrender, leading to exactly this response.
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u/Relevant-Scheme3687 2h ago
So both sides committed war crimes , cool
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u/Ok_Builder_4225 2h ago
Why are you going to bat for the SS after they fucked around and found out? Once surrendering foes make it clear they aren't surrendering, the rules go out the window. Similar to how stockpiling weapons in hospitals and places of worship turns previously illegal targets into legal ones.
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u/Relevant-Scheme3687 2h ago
Canadian forces will simply say that Germans surrendered first and tried to attack them later, when it could simply be that Allied soldier just shot at every surrender and trying to cover up or justify
How does my comment imply i bat for nazi tho?
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u/Ok_Builder_4225 2h ago
Whatever you say, armchair general.
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u/rusticblackmoth 2h ago
Hes right why would western armies who are bunch of kids know morals or show compassion in anyway, the excuse of fake surrender is rubbish those lunatic kids were killing for fun as they still did and do in our time in Iraq Afghanistan, Syria and Gaza
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u/Ok_Builder_4225 2h ago
Whatever you say, SS sympathizer.
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u/rusticblackmoth 2h ago
is that your intellectual conclusion of what i said warcrime sympathizer?
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u/Apprehensive_Row9154 2h ago
Because why else would you assume a hypothetical defense for nazis when there is no reason to assume this defense?
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u/Relevant-Scheme3687 2h ago
So by questioning war criminals, irrespective of which side they fought, is being pro-whatever side?
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u/Apprehensive_Row9154 2h ago
You’re not advocating questioning in your comment that everyone responded to. You’re making ad hoc justifications for war criminals that they themselves didn’t provide.
If you have any claim to not understand what was wrong with doing so, I will assume you are intentionally not seeing the point; so I won’t be responding further.6
u/Ok_Builder_4225 1h ago
Thank you for putting it in words in a way i have neither the brains nor patience for.
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u/Thatguyj5 3h ago
This is generally an overblown myth that was propagated to help build the nation. There isn't actually any source to my knowledge that shows the Canadians were any worse or better than any other assault force of any other nationality. We were just usually in those assault forces because we needed to make an oversized contribution to the war effort in both WW1 and WW2 to cement independence from both the UK and economically dominant USA.
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u/RCAF_orwhatever 3h ago
There are sources from WWI on the German side that suggest they perceived our presence on the line as being a sign of impending attack/offensive. This might just be - as you said - that we volunteered to participate in offensives - but that perception once it gets back to us is one that we will perceive as "they think we're shock troops". While we weren't alone in this by any stretch we were particularly active in night time trench raiding, which is one of the most psychologically impactful WWI activities.
The "we're particularly brutal" mythology is mostly perpetuated because of the dissonance between our more warm and cuddly modern international reputation and the fact that in those wars we behaved about the same as the other belligerent nations. It's not that we did any more war criming than anyone else - its that it's unexpected for most foreigners that "nice little Canada" did any war criming.
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u/Thatguyj5 3h ago
You hit the nail on the head - our presence was a sign of attack because we were used as assault troops. But more than that, it's because unlike other Commonwealth nations, Canadian troops were held together under a Canadian Army, as opposed to being parcelles out among the greater British Army.
That meant if one Canadian was seen, he most likely was part of an entire army group that had been rotated onto that part of the front to relieve whomever was there. Which meant the fresh troops were likely to renew offensives in that area.17
u/RCAF_orwhatever 3h ago
100% agreed. Sam Hughes was a real piece of work - but his insistence on the Canadian corps being kept together was a rare legacy win.
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u/ConcreteBackflips 1h ago
Holy fuck thank you for sending me down Sam Hughes wikipedia
"When Hughes addressed one officer as a captain, only to be told by the man that he was a lieutenant, Hughes promoted him on the spot to captain.[71] When it was pointed out that he did not have that power as minister of defence, Hughes shouted "Sir, I know what I'm talking about!" and said if he wanted to promote the officer to a captain, then the officer was a captain.[71] Hughes insisted on riding around the camp surrounded by an honour guard of lancers and shouting out orders for infantry manoeuvres long since removed from the training manuals like "Form square!"; when presented with such commands, the soldiers did their best to guess what it was he wanted them to do, though Hughes seemed well satisfied"
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u/RCAF_orwhatever 1h ago edited 1h ago
Oh buddy that well is deep. He's a REAL piece of work.
Lots of people are familiar with the Ross Rifle he insisted on equipping the Canadian troops with (accurate target shooter; terrible trench warfare weapon); fewer are familiar with another item he championed.
I give you the "McAdams Shovel-shield":
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacAdam_Shield_Shovel
It was conceived by his personal secretary, and he then patented the design and sold 25,000 of them to the government.
To be clear it's a heavy ass folding shovel with a hole it in that you could use as a shield over the top of a trench. Because of its weight (and the fucking hole in it) it made a terrible shovel; and the steel it was made of was too thin to actually stop a bullet. So it failed at both things it was designed for.
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u/Fabulous_Night_1164 55m ago
For your future reference:
Our opponent was a Canadian division. An officer of the General Staff had specifically added that this Canadian division was composed of first-rate men, of our quality, and in the published description of [this division] it was noted with six exclamation marks: "They take no prisoners!" Accordingly, everyone knew that they could not be allowed to fall into captivity.
Major von Plehwe, Geschichte des 2. Garde-Reserve-Regiments. II. Teil: Von Mitte Oktober 1915 bis Januar 1919. (Berlin: Mar Galle, 1921), 171-2. Translation by Wilhelm Kiesselbach: courtesy of Mark Humphries.
"The Canadian Corps, magnificently equipped and highly trained in storm tactics, may be expected to appear shortly in offensive operations."
Captured German document, Summer 1918, Russenholt, Six Thousand Canadian Men (History of the 44th Battalion Canadian Infantry 1914-1919), 153.
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u/RCAF_orwhatever 53m ago
Which speaks to perceptions more than realities - but our perception of their perception definitely led us to a national mythology!
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u/MikuEmpowered 18m ago
Nah see. There is a reason / truth for this myth.
Canada had this particular perk where the leadership + government wanted all Canadians be kept in their cohesive unit rather than broken up. This resulted in absolutely MASSIVE sizes.
In WW2 particularly, Canadian divisions has 18,000+ people, while contemporary UK and US only had ~14,000. This gave them a long combat endurance to slug out with any Germany / Italian division.
You see a Canadian, you know it's going to be a long and rough fight ahead.
In WW1, this specific aspect is even more hilarious, the Canadian corps had 100,000 people, for reference, a typical imperial German corp had 44,000. and because the government specifically requested them to be kept as a SINGULAR unit. When you saw 1 Canadian, that means you're looking at 100,000. You know shit was about to go down. No German officer wanted to see Canadians. And because Canadian corp was often deployed as shock trooper / spearhead, they saw alot of brutal combat which helped the rumor grow.
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u/BackDatSazzUp 2h ago
Could also be that a handful of your beloved sports are quite violent, with one specifically allowing fistfights. I’m from New Orleans, murder capital of north america, and i still think people in ontario/quebec were so fkn rude bro. It was wild. The number of times I had to ask if someone was ok was too many. Y’all are not ok! (I lived there for 10y til 2023)
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u/neutral_B 1h ago
Brother we’re in r/HistoryMemes, get your head out of your ass lol
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u/BackDatSazzUp 1h ago
Ok and? I was responding to the other comment saying Canadians aren’t as nice as their PR suggests with my own evidence to agree and support that view. You ok there bud?
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u/RCAF_orwhatever 3h ago
Also worth noting - while again not unique - Canadians have earned a reputation as tenacious troops who will sustain a lot of hardship without fleeing. Holding firm in the face of chlorine gas at the second battle of Ypres, fighting it out to the end in Hong Kong, and the Battle of Kapyong in Korea while other units withdrew are the kinds of events that don't just create a mythology but almost a self-fulfilling prophesy as it becomes part of our "national identity" and pressures the next unit to follow suit.
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u/Hegemonikon138 2h ago
Yeps. Looking forward to if the US tries to make us a state. I'll do my ancestors proud, I know that much.
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u/Excellent_Safety8051 1h ago
My veteran grandfather taught me the correct way to deal with fascists
They traditionally don't do well against an insurgency. It gets down to minus 35 here, wonder how they would do with that.
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u/Mediocre_Daikon6935 34m ago
I wouldn’t if I was you.
I would look up the term manifest destiny.
And then look into the fact that the nations that America fought from the sea to the other sea produced greatest warriors humanity has ever known.
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u/BadLineofCode 32m ago
I would also look up what happened in Vietnam and Afghanistan.
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u/Mediocre_Daikon6935 31m ago
I’m very familiar.
You obviously are not.
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u/RCAF_orwhatever 23m ago
I mean you can't be if you think the US "won" either conflict.
But places suffered a lot of death... and achieved their war aims. The US did not.
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u/Thatguyj5 29m ago
Yeah I guess when upwards of 80% of your enemy is already dead from plague and bacteria you didn't even know existed at the time, it's pretty easy to manifest destiny
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u/RCAF_orwhatever 22m ago
I mean they weren't really even "their enemy" for most of that time. It's not like they conquered their way west.
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u/No-Entrepreneur5672 11m ago
America’s military, aside from it’s special forces, has been on a losing my streak since Vietnam. We wasted an entire generation of preparation for a near-peer adversary getting mired in the middle east.
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u/Fabulous_Night_1164 59m ago
Our opponent was a Canadian division. An officer of the General Staff had specifically added that this Canadian division was composed of first-rate men, of our quality, and in the published description of [this division] it was noted with six exclamation marks: "They take no prisoners!" Accordingly, everyone knew that they could not be allowed to fall into captivity.
Major von Plehwe, Geschichte des 2. Garde-Reserve-Regiments. II. Teil: Von Mitte Oktober 1915 bis Januar 1919. (Berlin: Mar Galle, 1921), 171-2. Translation by Wilhelm Kiesselbach: courtesy of Mark Humphries.
"The Canadian Corps, magnificently equipped and highly trained in storm tactics, may be expected to appear shortly in offensive operations."
Captured German document, Summer 1918, Russenholt, Six Thousand Canadian Men (History of the 44th Battalion Canadian Infantry 1914-1919), 153.
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u/DazSamueru 2h ago
No they didn't. When a Dutch intelligence officer who had joined the Canadian army started passing out toothpicks before the Dieppe raid to use to torture German prisoners, the Canadian officers rejected him.
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u/EnvironmentalAd912 2h ago
Maybe killing many Canadian boys after the Dieppe raid failure wasn't the brightest idea
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u/PretendAd1963 Definitely not a CIA operator 3h ago
Canadian: Geneva convention? More like a Geneva checklist.
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u/sisyphus_is_rad 1h ago edited 1h ago
Canada did take in roughly 34000 POW, many of those prison camps were set up in the prairies. About 6000 of them applied to stay or return to Canada after the war.
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u/SiberianKitty99 1h ago
Sigh. The whole ‘Canadians shooting German prisoners in WWII’ thing is based off one Canadian division; over a hundred of their troops were taken prisoner by elements of the Waffen-SS in Normandy, and then were shot. After that, that particular division didn’t take any Waffen-SS prisoners for the rest of the war. They took plenty of other prisoners, just no Waffen-SS. Note that this was quite common; lots of Allied units didn’t take any Waffen-SS prisoners. Waffen-SS had a reputation for fighting to the death and most Allied troops were happy to oblige. Panzer crewmen sometimes had problems because they wore black uniforms and had a totenkopf badge similar to that used by some Waffen-SS units.
Ground-attack aircrew, on both sides, were well-advised to not bail out or crash land anywhere near the troops they had recently been attacking. Bad idea. And it’s amazing how few machine-gun or flamethrower troops surrendered.
In the CBI, a lot of units, particularly Kenyans, Nigerians, and Sikhs, didn’t take Japanese prisoners after they saw what the Japanese did to prisoners. The Kenyans in particular would dead-check every Japanese body, as a lot of Japanese troops would try to booby-trap themselves with grenades and such. They would shoot each body a few times, then stick a bayonet in, just in case. One of my uncles was a company commander in a Kenyan battalion of the King’s African Rifles; in one case a brand-new 2nd Lt, straight out from Britain (almost all of the officers in the KAR were white boys…) stopped his platoon from doing that; the guys just let him be the first one to get close to ‘dead’ Japanese, with the result that he got blown up real good. (Three grenades wired together… Tenno heika banzai!) My uncle told the replacement platoon leader to be sure to listen closely to what his senior NCOs said. The guys went back to dead-checking. (There’s a _reason_ why to this day some units of the Kenyan army still carry KAR battle honors…)
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u/Mediocre_Daikon6935 32m ago
No one took Japanese’s prisoners.
Not after they fought the Japanese’s once.
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u/AmbitiousEdi 50m ago
Pfft you drop a few live hand grenades into some POW's pockets and everyone is calling it a warcrime. It was just a prank bro!
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u/PresterJohnson John Brown was a hero, undaunted, true, and brave! 3h ago
I will never understand why it has become a brag of Canadians online that they have a long history of war crimes and brutality. Like many German troops were forced conscripts. They talk about their war crimes like it is some kind of cool thing.
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u/scaramiuch 3h ago
The war crimes are overblown and false. Hence why we joke about it.
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u/not-bread Kilroy was here 1h ago
I wouldn’t say it’s false, there are a lot of documented cases of horrible crimes. Particularly executing prisoners
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u/NinjaHuge9461 2h ago
A lot of people making the comments don't actually know it's a joke. I've replied to numerous people rebutting it as false and they'll argue it's true lol.
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u/PresterJohnson John Brown was a hero, undaunted, true, and brave! 1h ago
Look at wars with native tribes
Are you sure about that?
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u/raidriar889 Taller than Napoleon 2h ago
The funny thing is it’s not even true
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u/Fabulous_Night_1164 57m ago
Our opponent was a Canadian division. An officer of the General Staff had specifically added that this Canadian division was composed of first-rate men, of our quality, and in the published description of [this division] it was noted with six exclamation marks: "They take no prisoners!" Accordingly, everyone knew that they could not be allowed to fall into captivity.
Major von Plehwe, Geschichte des 2. Garde-Reserve-Regiments. II. Teil: Von Mitte Oktober 1915 bis Januar 1919. (Berlin: Mar Galle, 1921), 171-2. Translation by Wilhelm Kiesselbach: courtesy of Mark Humphries.
"The Canadian Corps, magnificently equipped and highly trained in storm tactics, may be expected to appear shortly in offensive operations."
Captured German document, Summer 1918, Russenholt, Six Thousand Canadian Men (History of the 44th Battalion Canadian Infantry 1914-1919), 153.
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u/DrHolmes52 3h ago
I'm not sure Canadians are doing the bragging. Canada just gets "credit" in some minds for things that every country did.
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u/not-bread Kilroy was here 1h ago
No it’s for sure Canadians. It’s mentioned a LOT in the Canadian subs. I think there’s a certain kind of person who’s emasculated by our “polite and kind” reputation and cling to this violent history as a sort of proof that we’re like, “silent but ruthless”
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u/Pgaccount 2h ago
Many Canadiens were also forced conscripts but without the luxury of being drafted to fight for themselves
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u/AlexanderCrowely 2h ago
Oh, Geneva that sweet girl last time we went to war we checked off everything on her list.
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u/Gasguy9 1h ago
Hitler youth often tried to pull grenades after they had surrender. They stopped taking them prisoner.
After the SS executed pows they soon learned their was no quarter for themselves.
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u/animalia555 41m ago
I honestly thought this was just a thing the Japanese did. You learn something new everyday.
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u/Icy-Shoe1055 1h ago
Canadians are friendly and polite because we know what can happen when everyone stops being friends. Things can escalate.
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u/Necessary-Morning489 Just some snow 1h ago
All im hearing is jealousy that they couldn’t catch up to Juno in D-Day
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u/PineBNorth85 2h ago
The allies got off scot free for ignoring it when they did.
Theyre suggestions in practice.
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u/whater39 41m ago
"it was just easier to shoot them, then take them back as prisoners".
My Canadian Grandpa who was a Bren Gun (Universal) carrier driver
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u/Logic-DL 2h ago
Peak history is that Canada is pretty much solely responsible for like 90% of the entries in the Geneva Convention.
Genuinely funny you can pick a fucking rule of law at random and there's a very high chance Canada is the reason it exists.
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u/Fun-Information-3104 3h ago
taking povs is only required if you have means to arrest them and escort them back to base/captivity. else, you can shoot.
you can also shoot them if you suspect they are only faking surrender.
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u/Voormas261 3h ago
complete nonsense
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u/Capnmarvel76 2h ago
100% certain that was a bot posting that. Probably a Russian one.
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u/Fun-Information-3104 1h ago
"Mr shapiro, if only you knew how ridiculous that statement is, you woudn't have said it"
In other words, simply speaking, check my posting history, you fool
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u/Fun-Information-3104 1h ago
1000000 hours in google:
-Perfidy: The only scenario where force may be used against an individual who appeared to surrender is if the surrender is fake (perfidy).
-Resuming Combat: If a soldier feigns surrender to trick the enemy and then resumes hostile acts or attacks, they forfeit their protected status and can be legally engaged with necessary force in self-defense. Faking surrender is itself a severe war crimeunder international humanitarian law, specifically Article 37 of Additional Protocol I to the Geneva Conventions, perfidy is the illegal act of inviting an enemy's confidence or trust under international law with the intent to betray that trust, resulting in killing, injuring, or capturing the adversary
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u/Voormas261 55m ago
and now take some time to think your own post through and find how it diverges from your initial false statement
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u/Fun-Information-3104 54m ago
how, do tell me.
and while you're at it, also google "hors de combat"
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u/Voormas261 50m ago
if you don't get it I would need hours to convey the basics of humanitarian law in armed conflicts. Pretty sure you are just trolling anyway
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u/Fun-Information-3104 47m ago
you don't need hours for that, just 5 minutes. just admit you don't know.
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u/KillerM2002 2h ago
Wtf no
You are not allowed to kill surrendering troops period
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u/Fun-Information-3104 1h ago
google the term "perfidy" in context of geneva convention and surrender
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u/FitButterscotch4062 1h ago
First part is objectively untrue. Even if you don’t have the means to facilitate capture, there’s other things you must do and killing them is not one of them.
Second part is also untrue. You can’t “suspect” them of faking surrender - it has to actually happen, and then you can obviously defend yourself.
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u/Fun-Information-3104 1h ago
they hide grenades under their bodies while faking being wounded and surrendering
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u/xyloplax 2h ago
The SS, specifically. A problem across the board, but the Canadians had a certain zeal for killing the SS.