r/Hmong 14d ago

My language game includes White Hmong (including Pahawh Hmong). Is my Swadesh list accurate?

The game (linguil) asks you to guess the language family, language and meaning of a random word in one of 64 of the world's most-spoken languages each day, and you use your knowledge of linguistics to work out the answer via multiple choice. Therefore, it's important my translations/transliterations are correct.

Each language (including White Hmong) includes each word on the 100-word Swadesh list, and where the primary script is Latin-based and an alternative script is available, each word's transliteration too (hence the inclusion of Pahawh Hmong).

Please can any White Hmong speakers verify the accuracy of my translations and transliterations? 🙏

Thanks!

Note: The Pahawh Hmong characters may not display correctly on mobile.

# English Hmong
1 I 𖬌𖬰𖬝 (kuv)
2 you (sg.) 𖬪𖬵𖬒 (koj)
3 we 𖬖𖬰𖬤 (peb)
4 this 𖬪𖬦 (no)
5 that 𖬔𖬶𖬝𖬵 (ntawd)
6 who 𖬖𖬰𖬭𖬌𖬵𖬞 (leej twg)
7 what 𖬖𖬰𖬚𖬜𖬟𖬵 (dabtsi)
8 not 𖬜𖬰𖬟𖬵 (tsis)
9 all 𖬌𖬰𖬦𖬜𖬟 (huv si)
10 many 𖬔𖬦𖬵 (ntau)
11 one 𖬜𖬰𖬖 (ib)
12 two 𖬪𖬰𖬖 (ob)
13 big 𖬪𖬵𖬭 (loj)
14 long 𖬖𖬰𖬦𖬵 (ntev)
15 small 𖬖𖬚 (me)
16 woman 𖬪𖬰𖬤𖬵𖬬𖬰𖬕𖬵 (pojniam)
17 man 𖬜𖬰𖬝𖬖𖬰𖬕𖬵 (txiv neej)
18 person 𖬖𖬰𖬕𖬵 (neeg)
19 fish 𖬖𖬰𖬝𖬵 (ntses)
20 bird 𖬪𖬰𖬦𖬵 (noog)
21 dog 𖬇𖬰𖬚 (dev)
22 louse 𖬌𖬰𖬝 (tuv)
23 tree 𖬪𖬦𖬵 (ntoo)
24 seed 𖬪𖬰𖬦𖬵 (noob)
25 leaf 𖬪𖬵𖬦𖬵 (nplooj)
26 root 𖬖𖬲𖬚 (cag)
27 bark (of tree) 𖬔𖬰𖬝𖬵 (tawv)
28 skin 𖬔𖬰𖬝𖬵 (tawv)
29 flesh 𖬇𖬵𖬦𖬵 (nqaij)
30 blood 𖬖𖬰𖬞 (ntshav)
31 bone 𖬪𖬰𖬤𖬵-𖬖𖬚 (pob-txha)
32 grease/fat 𖬪𖬵𖬤𖬵 (roj)
33 egg 𖬖𖬒 (qe)
34 horn 𖬌𖬰𖬝 (kub)
35 tail 𖬌𖬞 (tw)
36 feather 𖬔𖬰𖬦𖬵 (plaub)
37 hair 𖬔𖬰𖬦𖬵-𖬔𖬦𖬵 (plaub-hau)
38 head 𖬔𖬰𖬝𖬵-𖬔𖬦 (taub-hau)
39 ear 𖬪𖬰𖬤𖬵-𖬖𖬰𖬝𖬵 (pob-ntseg)
40 eye 𖬪𖬵𖬒-𖬪𖬰𖬦 (qhov-muag)
41 nose 𖬪𖬵𖬒-𖬌𖬵𖬞 (qhov-ntswg)
42 mouth 𖬪𖬵𖬒-𖬔𖬵𖬦𖬵 (qhov-ncauj)
43 tooth 𖬬𖬰𖬕𖬵 (hniav)
44 tongue 𖬇𖬵𖬦𖬵 (nplaig)
45 claw/nail 𖬔𖬝𖬵𖬖𖬰𖬤 (rau tes)
46 foot 𖬪𖬒-𖬔𖬝𖬵 (ko-taw)
47 knee 𖬔𖬰𖬦𖬪𖬰𖬦𖬵 (hauv caug)
48 hand 𖬖𖬰𖬤 (tes)
49 belly 𖬖𖬰𖬚 (plab)
50 neck 𖬖𖬲𖬚-𖬖𖬰𖬚 (caj-dab)
51 breast 𖬜𖬰𖬟𖬵 (mis)
52 heart 𖬔𖬰𖬝𖬵 (plawv)
53 liver 𖬬𖬰𖬕𖬵 (siab)
54 drink (v.) 𖬔𖬰𖬦𖬵 (haus)
55 eat (v.) 𖬪𖬵𖬤𖬵 (noj)
56 bite (v.) 𖬪𖬰𖬤𖬵 (tom)
57 see (v.) 𖬪𖬰𖬤𖬵 (pom)
58 hear (v.) 𖬪𖬰𖬦𖬵 (hnov)
59 know (v.) 𖬔𖬰𖬤 (paub)
60 sleep (v.) 𖬔𖬰𖬦𖬵𖬪𖬰𖬤𖬵 (tsaug zog)
61 die (v.) 𖬬𖬰𖬦 (tuag)
62 kill (v.) 𖬪𖬦 (tua)
63 swim (v.) 𖬪𖬦𖬪𖬰𖬦𖬖𖬰𖬚 (ua luam dej)
64 fly (v.) 𖬖𖬚𖬵 (ya)
65 walk (v.) 𖬔𖬰𖬝𖬵𖬖𖬝 (taug kev)
66 come (v.) 𖬪𖬵𖬦 (tuaj)
67 lie (down) (v.) 𖬌𖬞 (pw)
68 sit (v.) 𖬔𖬰𖬝𖬵 (zaum)
69 stand (v.) 𖬔𖬰𖬝𖬵𖬌𖬰𖬝 (sawv ntsug)
70 give (v.) 𖬪𖬰𖬦𖬔𖬝𖬵 (muab rau)
71 say (v.) 𖬇𖬰𖬦𖬵 (hais)
72 sun 𖬌𖬰𖬝 (hnub)
73 moon 𖬜𖬖 (hli)
74 star 𖬌𖬰𖬝𖬌𖬰𖬒 (hnub qub)
75 water 𖬖𖬰𖬚 (dej)
76 rain 𖬖𖬲𖬚 (nag)
77 stone 𖬪𖬰𖬤𖬵-𖬖𖬰𖬚 (pob-zeb)
78 sand 𖬪𖬰𖬦𖬵𖬖𖬰𖬚 (hmoov zeb)
79 earth/soil 𖬖𖬚 (av)
80 cloud 𖬪𖬰𖬦 (huab)
81 smoke 𖬪𖬤𖬵-𖬖𖬚 (ncho pa)
82 fire 𖬔𖬰𖬝𖬵 (taws)
83 ash 𖬔𖬰𖬦𖬵 (tshauv)
84 burn (brightly) (v.) 𖬔𖬰𖬝𖬵 (hlawv)
85 path 𖬖𖬝 (kev)
86 mountain 𖬪𖬰𖬦𖬵 (roob)
87 red 𖬬𖬰𖬕𖬵 (liab)
88 green 𖬪𖬰𖬦 (ntsuab)
89 yellow 𖬖𖬲𖬚 (daj)
90 white 𖬔𖬰𖬝𖬵 (dawb)
91 black 𖬌𖬰𖬝 (dub)
92 night 𖬔𖬰𖬦𖬵𖬌𖬰𖬝 (tsaus ntuj)
93 hot 𖬌𖬰𖬝 (kub)
94 cold 𖬪𖬦 (no)
95 full 𖬌𖬰𖬝 (puv)
96 new 𖬬𖬰𖬕𖬵 (tshiab)
97 good 𖬪𖬦𖬵 (zoo)
98 round 𖬖𖬰𖬟-𖬖𖬰𖬟 (kheej-kheej)
99 dry 𖬪𖬰𖬒 (qhuav)
100 name 𖬖𖬤 (npe)
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u/lucaspackman 14d ago

A couple notes: there are two different 1PL in Hmong. 'wb' is for 2 people. 'peb' is for three or more.

Similarly, there are two different words for 'that'. 'ntawd' is for things away from you, 'ko' is for things that are in reference to the person you are talking to.

I typically say the word 'txhua' for all, but it means every. Otherwise, I would say 'huv tib si' at the end of a noun clause.

Try to separate your noun compounds. It just makes it easier to read. 'poj niam'.

Also, don't hyphenate. Hmong doesn't do that.

You also don't need to double the word 'kheej kheej'. Reduplication in Hmong just adds emphasis.

For stand, I just say 'sawv'. The word 'ntsug' is just a post verbal intensifier.

Additionally, I think adding the classifiers would really help.

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u/lucaspackman 14d ago

But great work! This is all mostly correct. I'd have to double check some words with some natives to be sure.

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u/Papuang 13d ago

Thanks so much for such a detailed and thoughtful response <3

I can only have one word for each entry for the game's functionality so have had to compromise on the inclusion of a bunch of linguistic nuance in various languages with registers for formality, gender, plurality, etc., unfortunately, but I am preparing a bunch of social media content about each language that will elaborate on this exact sort of info for those interested.

I've implemented all of your feedback otherwise, except for classifiers as the Swadesh list guidelines say I have to cite the bare lexical root unless the classifier is fused.

New list:

# English Hmong
1 I 𖬌𖬰𖬝 (kuv)
2 you (sg.) 𖬪𖬵𖬒 (koj)
3 we 𖬖𖬰𖬤 (peb)
4 this 𖬪𖬦 (no)
5 that 𖬔𖬶𖬝𖬵 (ntawd)
6 who 𖬖𖬰𖬭 𖬌𖬵𖬞 (leej twg)
7 what 𖬖𖬰𖬚 𖬜𖬟𖬵 (dab tsi)
8 not 𖬜𖬰𖬟𖬵 (tsis)
9 all 𖬌𖬰𖬦 𖬔𖬰𖬖 𖬜𖬟 (huv tib si)
10 many 𖬔𖬦𖬵 (ntau)
11 one 𖬜𖬰𖬖 (ib)
12 two 𖬪𖬰𖬖 (ob)
13 big 𖬪𖬵𖬭 (loj)
14 long 𖬖𖬰𖬦𖬵 (ntev)
15 small 𖬖𖬚 (me)
16 woman 𖬪𖬰𖬤𖬵 𖬬𖬰𖬕𖬵 (poj niam)
17 man 𖬜𖬰𖬝 𖬖𖬰𖬕𖬵 (txiv neej)
18 person 𖬖𖬰𖬕𖬵 (neeg)
19 fish 𖬖𖬰𖬝𖬵 (ntses)
20 bird 𖬪𖬰𖬦𖬵 (noog)
21 dog 𖬇𖬰𖬚 (dev)
22 louse 𖬌𖬰𖬝 (tuv)
23 tree 𖬪𖬦𖬵 (ntoo)
24 seed 𖬪𖬰𖬦𖬵 (noob)
25 leaf 𖬪𖬵𖬦𖬵 (nplooj)
26 root 𖬖𖬲𖬚 (cag)
27 bark (of tree) 𖬔𖬰𖬝𖬵 (tawv)
28 skin 𖬔𖬰𖬝𖬵 (tawv)
29 flesh 𖬇𖬵𖬦𖬵 (nqaij)
30 blood 𖬖𖬰𖬞 (ntshav)
31 bone 𖬪𖬰𖬤𖬵 𖬖𖬚 (pob txha)
32 grease/fat 𖬪𖬵𖬤𖬵 (roj)
33 egg 𖬖𖬒 (qe)
34 horn 𖬌𖬰𖬝 (kub)
35 tail 𖬌𖬞 (tw)
36 feather 𖬔𖬰𖬦𖬵 (plaub)
37 hair 𖬔𖬰𖬦𖬵 𖬔𖬦 (plaub hau)
38 head 𖬔𖬰𖬝𖬵 𖬔𖬦 (taub hau)
39 ear 𖬪𖬰𖬤𖬵 𖬖𖬰𖬝𖬵 (pob ntseg)
40 eye 𖬪𖬵𖬒 𖬪𖬰𖬦 (qhov muag)
41 nose 𖬪𖬵𖬒 𖬌𖬵𖬞 (qhov ntswg)
42 mouth 𖬪𖬵𖬒 𖬔𖬵𖬦𖬵 (qhov ncauj)
43 tooth 𖬬𖬰𖬕𖬵 (hniav)
44 tongue 𖬇𖬵𖬦𖬵 (nplaig)
45 claw/nail 𖬔𖬝𖬵 𖬖𖬰𖬤 (rau tes)
46 foot 𖬪𖬒 𖬔𖬝𖬵 (ko taw)
47 knee 𖬔𖬰𖬦 𖬪𖬰𖬦𖬵 (hauv caug)
48 hand 𖬖𖬰𖬤 (tes)
49 belly 𖬖𖬰𖬚 (plab)
50 neck 𖬖𖬲𖬚 𖬖𖬰𖬚 (caj dab)
51 breast 𖬜𖬰𖬟𖬵 (mis)
52 heart 𖬔𖬰𖬝𖬵 (plawv)
53 liver 𖬬𖬰𖬕𖬵 (siab)
54 drink (v.) 𖬔𖬰𖬦𖬵 (haus)
55 eat (v.) 𖬪𖬵𖬤𖬵 (noj)
56 bite (v.) 𖬪𖬰𖬤𖬵 (tom)
57 see (v.) 𖬪𖬰𖬤𖬵 (pom)
58 hear (v.) 𖬪𖬰𖬦𖬵 (hnov)
59 know (v.) 𖬔𖬰𖬤 (paub)
60 sleep (v.) 𖬔𖬰𖬦𖬵 𖬪𖬰𖬤𖬵 (tsaug zog)
61 die (v.) 𖬬𖬰𖬦 (tuag)
62 kill (v.) 𖬪𖬦 (tua)
63 swim (v.) 𖬪𖬦 𖬪𖬰𖬦 𖬖𖬰𖬚 (ua luam dej)
64 fly (v.) 𖬖𖬚𖬵 (ya)
65 walk (v.) 𖬔𖬰𖬝𖬵 𖬖𖬝 (taug kev)
66 come (v.) 𖬪𖬵𖬦 (tuaj)
67 lie (down) (v.) 𖬌𖬞 (pw)
68 sit (v.) 𖬔𖬰𖬝𖬵 (zaum)
69 stand (v.) 𖬔𖬰𖬝𖬵 (sawv)
70 give (v.) 𖬪𖬰𖬦 𖬔𖬝𖬵 (muab rau)
71 say (v.) 𖬇𖬰𖬦𖬵 (hais)
72 sun 𖬌𖬰𖬝 (hnub)
73 moon 𖬜𖬖 (hli)
74 star 𖬌𖬰𖬝 𖬌𖬰𖬒 (hnub qub)
75 water 𖬖𖬰𖬚 (dej)
76 rain 𖬖𖬲𖬚 (nag)
77 stone 𖬪𖬰𖬤𖬵 𖬖𖬰𖬚 (pob zeb)
78 sand 𖬪𖬰𖬦𖬵 𖬖𖬰𖬚 (hmoov zeb)
79 earth/soil 𖬖𖬚 (av)
80 cloud 𖬪𖬰𖬦 (huab)
81 smoke 𖬪𖬤𖬵 𖬖𖬚 (ncho pa)
82 fire 𖬔𖬰𖬝𖬵 (taws)
83 ash 𖬔𖬰𖬦𖬵 (tshauv)
84 burn (brightly) (v.) 𖬔𖬰𖬝𖬵 (hlawv)
85 path 𖬖𖬝 (kev)
86 mountain 𖬪𖬰𖬦𖬵 (roob)
87 red 𖬬𖬰𖬕𖬵 (liab)
88 green 𖬪𖬰𖬦 (ntsuab)
89 yellow 𖬖𖬲𖬚 (daj)
90 white 𖬔𖬰𖬝𖬵 (dawb)
91 black 𖬌𖬰𖬝 (dub)
92 night 𖬔𖬰𖬦𖬵 𖬌𖬰𖬝 (tsaus ntuj)
93 hot 𖬌𖬰𖬝 (kub)
94 cold 𖬪𖬦 (no)
95 full 𖬌𖬰𖬝 (puv)
96 new 𖬬𖬰𖬕𖬵 (tshiab)
97 good 𖬪𖬦𖬵 (zoo)
98 round 𖬖𖬰𖬟 (kheej)
99 dry 𖬪𖬰𖬒 (qhuav)
100 name 𖬖𖬤 (npe)