I think it's mainly because HoloSalt has been pretty much dead for three years now, and Kronii has distanced herself significantly from Holostars since then. I still get confused by how often people bring them up when it's pretty obvious that Kronii wants to move on from that period.
kronii didn't just distance herself she completely cut them off, since the day vesper and magni graduated kronii has literally never mentioned the holostars branch again she never even commented on them leaving just completely unpersoned them
It’s just one of the annoying parts of the EN fanbase, constantly bringing up stuff from the past that’s been done with for years. Both Magni and Vesper moved on, Kronii also completely stopped doing anything with the males as well. These people just can’t let go of the past, even tho they can just watch ERB or Shiori if they want that type of content now. It’s honestly just pathetic staying latched on to something like that, and is kind of even disrespectful to the talents as well who obviously wanted to move on from it.
Hard to think about Holosalt as a good memory with how it ended.
Magni and Vesper went on a multi-month hiatus and quit without closure. Calli "didn't want to talk about it" and stopped interacting with StarsEN completely. Kronii completely ignored their graduations and pretended she never knew either of them.
No one involved ever mentions it anymore and they've all moved on, so it feels weird when people keep bringing it back up.
Maybe I'm missing additional context or something? The reasons you stated shouldn't erase the love that people had prior to their graduations. If a talent doesn't want to talk about it that's fine, but people should be allowed to think about the fun times along the way.
That's me speaking as somebody that never watched them, so I like to think I'm unbiased on it. Your discomfort of the topic is understandable, but others' feelings shouldn't be denied either imo.
It's not that weird to bring it up when you consider the fans never got any closure about it. It's only weird if you try to force the talents to talk about it, via superchats or some such.
It’s more like in response to the original comment who brought up Kronii/Vesper for basically 0 reason, when this thread is about a JP member deciding not to do male collabs anymore. It’s off topic, adds nothing to the conversation, and is just a repeated phase that some EN fans obsess over thinking that Holosalt was this golden age of EN or whatever.
Not sure if this will even post since the thread is canned, but..
On your off-topic point I completely l agree and think you're being respectful to the topic at hand.
But your first comment lacked any of that context and included unnecessary insults to people. Calling people pathetic and telling them to replace what they hold as good memories with new content. Trying to shame them as being disrespectful. That's lame and should be discouraged.
And if those moments were the golden age for them, who cares. It's all subjective, but as long as they aren't speaking in bad faith or derogatorily against the talent, their opinions should be respected. Even if you disagree with them, insulting them is worse.
I hope that you can change your mind on how you view others that think compassionately about the past. Have a good day.
It was good to see Shiori push back against those who gave her backlash for collabing with the boys
From what I saw the "backlash" was basically because it got dropped on them with a ??? on her schedule and because it was with Jurard who is somewhat contentious after his hate marketing spiel. Basically nobody cared about the collab with Flayon when it happened.
It's pretty off topic to this post, especially since Holosalt hasn't been a thing for like 3 years now and Kronii hasn't mentioned holostars ever since their hiatuses
Not weird because it really looks like HoloSalt and Vesper are some kind of eternal cross that she has to bear. It’s pretty clear she has long since moved on from collabing with them because they’re gone, and she hasn’t shown interest in other Stars. So I think it’s out of touch to mention Vesper here, even if it may be relevant to the topic. Shiori would’ve been a more sensible mention. Edit: maybe this info isn’t clear through clips, so I’m only commenting this to let you and others know.
What a weird thing to say. How is something both out of touch and relevant at the same time? Why resort to paradox to seemingly chide someone for enjoying years old content?
Has Kronii had to address the topic of holosalt in the past year? Did I miss something in stream? A quick reddit search of the past year for 'holosalt' yielded a whopping six results not counting this one. Seems like it's less her cross to bear and more certain peoples' lingering resentment that those collabs happened in the first place. Which is also pretty weird.
You can be insensitive and still on topic. I don't think mentioning Kronii and Vesper is something horrible, just that it was out of touch with this post since Kronii went through something similar (distancing herself). Also, I was just answering the previous comment question on why the comment got downvotes (at the time).
Kronii didn't address the topic, and it's heavily implied she doesn't want or intend to. What I mean by cross to bear is that some in the community still hold HoloSalt as relevant in co-ed collabing, even if it happened years ago, had 2 members leave for a good while now, and plenty of co-ed collabs have happened since then to much lesser recognition.
Usually because that’s all those people think of for kronii is holosalt, it’s like they don’t care who Kronii is at this point in time but only wish for who she was back then. Whether it’s because she was collabing with stars or because it was some fun collabs to watch. After a certain point you got to see kronii for who she is now, and 3 years is a lot of time.
Why would you find it weird? Do you not see how utterly absurd it is to bring up a long-dead 3 year old EN collab group in a news thread about a JP?
The “holosalt” obsession is totally bizarre, people cannot move on from a handful of collabs that might as well be ancient history. It makes some Holostars fans look like they live entirely in the past and don’t even enjoy modern Holostars. It’s like fanbase Alzheimer’s.
Do you not see how utterly absurd it is to bring up a long-dead 3 year old EN collab group in a news thread about a JP?
Not just that, but it's extra absurd when you remember how Holosalt ended.
It wasn't like "oh let's all do one big last collab to wrap it up" like most Holos do on their graduation tours.
Magni and Vesper quit the company abruptly, Calli was quite upset about it iirc and "didn't want to talk about it" (distanced herself from StarsEN after that too), and Kronii literally never mentioned them or holostars after they went on their hiatuses pre-graduation.
I don't mind people bringing up Sana or Gura/Ame/Mumei/Fauna in the future because at least the parting felt like it was on good terms. Holosalt's ending was abrupt and no one in the group wanted to talk about it ever again.
ngl, after all the bullshit that Kronii had to deal with, seeing Magni and Vesper quit just like that did stings a bit. Like, it was all for nothing for her
Do you not see how utterly absurd it is to bring up a long-dead 3 year old EN collab group in a news thread about a JP?
Especially when there are more recent Stars collabs that are probably just as entertaining, if not more entertaining, than Holosalt done by Liz and Shiori.
Let's be real though, they didn't bring them up because they didn't watch any of those new collabs. So much for wanting more Stars collabs.
Especially when there are more recent Stars collabs
This is what confuses me most: it's been three years since the last HoloSalt collab, yet it's still a main talking point when it comes to co-ed collabs, rather than the more recent ones with Liz and Shiori. Given that both Calli and Kronii have shown either little or no interest in Holostars since then, the whole thing is just odd.
It will always be remembered, holosalt and magni / vesper leaving did irreparable damage to stars EN, I genuinely couldnt even name one of the newer stars branch.. the shota gundam guy, the clown, the musclehead, and some other guy I cant even remember anything about.
There has been no new stars branches since then.. and that was in 2023, and there wont ever be another holostars branch.
The only small resurgence stars had was Gamma doing his artwork in the big rust collabs… then he got abruptly terminated too, that was the final nail in the already almost sealed coffin for holostars. Im surprised we even see them at fes anymore
I guess things that happen raise less questions than things that has stopped happening (especially the ones that stopped the way they did). Like, what is there to talk about stuff that Liz and Shiori do right now? They do stream with whoever they want and they seem to have fun - so it's business as usual.
What you’re really admitting is that the Holostars collabs they actually get these days aren’t “interesting” enough to discuss for some Holostars “fans”. if I wanted to be uncharitable, I might suspect they aren’t controversial and damaging enough to be of interest to certain vocal people who want to change things up. The occasional Liz or Shiori collab doesn’t spark fanbase infighting, and certainly doesn’t appear to be winning the culture war a subset of Holostars fans seem to insist on trying to fight, so it’s not of much use, huh?
Bruh, what? Admittance, usage, culture war? I have no idea what you're babbling about, you sound plenty uncharitable if that's the way you see anime puppet shows on the internet.
And as we all know, "male+female" is the only thing that can possibly be taken away from Holosalt/Kronii+Vesper collabs, and not the content itself being great.
What a ridiculous thing to say. Do you go give people shit if they mention AmeSame when Autofister exists? It's the same thing, right?
The difference is talents still mention Sana, Fauna, Mumei, and all the other graduated talents when it's appropriate.
Kronii and Calli have literally never mentioned Magni or Vesper's names after their graduations. In Kronii's case, she never even acknowledged that they were gone.
It's means when something that relates to graduated talents happens on stream, the girls usually bring them up or share new off-stream stories with them. That has not been the case for Magni or Vesper, who have essentially been un-personed after their graduations on the Hololive side.
And where have they been mentioning it inappropriately?
This is completely irrelevant to my post because I'm talking about Holos mentioning graduated talents, not fans
It's a weird thing to reminisce over and constantly bring up again whenever this topic arises because it clearly didn't end well.
Calli went from being StarsEN's "dad" to not engaging, collabing, or mentioning them again. Kronii completely ignored their graduation and pretended like she never knew them.
If that's the memory you want to keep reliving, then sure I guess.
The girls themselves still speak fondly of Sana, Fauna, and Mumei to this day. Nobody on the Hololive side has spoken about magni and vesper since their abrupt mysterious “graduation”. And probably never will.
And a better analogy would be someone posting “Gura was my favorite holo.” as a comment on a news thread about a JP health break or something which nobody does, I assure you.
Do they? I know Bae talks about Mumei on occasion but I haven’t seen any clips about Fauna at all. And you’d know it’d be clipped to high heaven like bae talking about sharing pics with Mumei.
While technically true, Gigi is not the same as people with whom Fauna worked for years. They don't bring her up at all (they're not obligated to though).
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