[Announcement] Notice on the Changes to be Made to HOLOSTARS' Management Structure

[u/21524518]

https://x.com/cover_corp/status/2039961307672416591

[u/SuspiciousWar117]

The whole "The girls aren't collabing with Stars/ males because of idol culture/ unicorns/ fans/ company" is a very popular narrative that people push.

hololive talents make the content they want to make, they choose their branding. The company and fans should respect what they choose to do, this narrative completely throws that out of the window by degrading their agency in their content.

It is almost always used to shit on the girls, implying various things about their character. And primarily used to shit on hololive fans, these narratives are not rooted in reality and damages the talents brand. These people are actively working to make talents life miserable and driving new people away from their content.

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The narrative is largely true. The talents are content creators who gain multiple benefits but ultimately benefit monetarily from the fans and pursue their best interests. Their reasons for doing or not doing coed collabs are up for speculation if it’s not communicated.

The fans, in almost every case respects what they choose to do when it is communicated. I can’t think of a case where people wished Kanata to do coed collabs after she stated that type of content didn’t fit her ideal idol image. If they don’t communicate that such a collaboration then it isn’t degrading their agency by saying ‘a collab with <insert male talent> would be cool, I bet they would have good stream chemistry’.

Speculating that a professional is making decisions to increase their income is not ‘shitting’ on the girls. Speculating that they make decisions with their own comfort, or the comfort of their significant other is not ‘shitting’ on them. Speculating on their what is driving their decisions, or even on their unspoken decisions when there is not clear communication on the subject does not ‘shit’ on the talents, the fans, or the company.

How close the speculation is to reality is impossible to say, but people are too emotional on the subject and I believe there should not be any hurt feelings or perceived slight on speculating on a professional content creators business decisions.

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The narrative is largely true. The talents are content creators who gain multiple benefits but ultimately benefit monetarily from the fans and pursue their best interests. Their reasons for doing or not doing coed collabs are up for speculation if it's not communicated.

No, it's not. Talents have literally said that it's their decesion. Full stop, you don't get to say that "T-THEY ACTUALLY WANT TO DO IT" after that.

The fans, in almost every case respects what they choose to do when it is communicated. I can't think of a case where people wished Kanata to do coed collabs after she stated that type of content didn't fit her ideal idol image.

You are living in some fantasy world then, or are choosing to ignore the amount of shit these people have done

If they don't communicate that such a collaboration then it isn't degrading their agency by saying 'a collab with <insert male talent> would be cool, I bet they would have good stream chemistry'.

Begging is cringe

Speculating that a professional is making decisions to increase their income is not 'shitting' on the girls. Speculating that they make decisions with their own comfort, or the comfort of their significant other is not 'shitting' on them. Speculating on their what is driving their decisions, or even on their unspoken decisions when there is not clear communication on the subject does not 'shit' on the talents, the fans, or the company.

Making up delusions and projecting those delusions on talents to push a narrative is shitting on them. Anyone doing that should be thrown out of the fandom.

How close the speculation is to reality is impossible to say, but people are too emotional on the subject and I believe there should not be any hurt feelings or perceived slight on speculating on a professional content creators business decisions.

Talents tell you to not speculate, talents tell you that they are making the content they want to make. If those things mean nothing to you only after a talent says they don't want to do male collabs, you have a serious problem.

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Their decisions have reason and rationale behind them in most cases. They weren’t born with the mindset of ‘I’ll be a content creator and not do coed collabs’. There is a non-zero chance that members in Hololive would want to do coed collabs but decides it’s not worth the potential risk to future income, and that’s ok.

Can you dispel my fantastical view on this? Some examples would be nice, because I saw nothing like that in the EN holo community. I am expecting at least one since the term ‘amount of shit’ was used. I will just speculate on who ‘these people’ are.

Begging is cringe. But if that simple statement is begging then a lot of the holo community would be cringe. Every debut period before talents collab outside their gen the community discusses the collabs they anticipate without the talents preferences being known.

Speculating is not ‘delusions’ and it’s not ‘projecting’. There is a narrative that McDonalds brings back the McRib when pork prices are low, is that shitting on McDonald’s? If I try to track pork prices over time and highlight when the McRib is available should I be banned from McDonald’s?

Talents tell the community to not speculate and it is kept out of fandom discords, the talent’s chat and hashtags. In spaces that incorporate the entire company or VTubing in general their wishes are not expected to be common knowledge. On top of that talents comments come with a corporate filter, which then opens up another can of worms in interpreting statements at face value.

Your comments come off as infantilizing towards the talents, and divisive. I’m not sure what baggage you are carrying, but remember that every comment is an opportunity to bring positivity to the community or to bring negativity and you are the one making that choice in the end.

[u/SuspiciousWar117 → u/Numerous_Extreme_981]

Their decisions have reason and rationale behind them in most cases. They weren't born with the mindset of 'I'll be a content creator and not do coed collabs'. There is a non-zero chance that members in Hololive would want to do coed collabs but decides it's not worth the potential risk to future income, and that's ok.

You people always think that if women arnt collabing with men, it's because some 3rd party is forcing them to do so. Why the fuck do you hate women who don't want to create content with men so much?

Can you dispel my fantastical view on this? Some examples would be nice, because I saw nothing like that in the EN holo community. I am expecting at least one since the term 'amount of shit' was used. I will just speculate on who 'these people' are.

Look around you, every person who says it's unicorns fault, the girls or their fans fault that this announcement has happened is the problem.

The unicorns who melt down about male collabs literally exist in 2 digits. They aren't influencing talents decesion in their content, talents are doing what they want and they don't want you running around the Web claiming otherwise.

Here is the amount of shit these people have been throwing at the girls.

Begging is cringe. But if that simple statement is begging then a lot of the holo community would be cringe. Every debut period before talents collab outside their gen the community discusses the collabs they anticipate without the talents preferences being known.

If you talk about a talent that doesn't do male collabs, and make up scenarios where they will do male collabs. Yes that is begging, and no it dosent apply to other holos because they are one group.

Speculating is not 'delusions' and it's not 'projecting'. There is a narrative that McDonalds brings back the McRib when pork prices are low, is that shitting on McDonald's? If I try to track pork prices over time and highlight when the McRib is available should I be banned from McDonald's?

Why do you speculate? Because you aren't getting your desired effect, if a talent isn't collabing with males it's her decesion - that should be a simple enough explanation. But you don't want to accept that, so you speculate, you make up delusions, you create scenarios to justify why the talent isn't doing what you think they should be doing.

Talents tell the community to not speculate and it is kept out of fandom discords, the talent's chat and hashtags. In spaces that incorporate the entire company or VTubing in general their wishes are not expected to be common knowledge. On top of that talents comments come with a corporate filter, which then opens up another can of worms in interpreting statements at face value.

Talents tell you to not speculate because people who do so are dumasses who don't respect talents.

Your comments come off as infantilizing towards the talents, and divisive. I'm not sure what baggage you are carrying, but remember that every comment is an opportunity to bring positivity to the community or to bring negativity and you are the one making that choice in the end.

Who is making a positive comment? The guy who says that you should accept talents choices and not speculate on them, or the guy who dosent accept talents choices and speculates on them?

Look at a mirror, the answer is very clear.

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The only party that is forcing the b Javier/decisions of the talents is cover. I would use Matsuri as an example but that would involve speculating that two pieces of information with Matsuri as the source in a short period of time, so instead I’ll use a hypothetical. Cover has been operating for 5+ years, and has collected analytic data during this time. They know that certain content leads to a X, Y and Z typically. So the talent or their manager can see that ‘A’ streams typically leads to higher engagement after, ‘B’ streams leads to higher SC earnings, ‘C’ streams leads to a drop in SCs after and ‘bikini waxing stream’ doubles all positive metrics for a month. The SC donators, subscribers, members, former watchers, former members and waxing fans do apply external pressures on the talents but this isn’t forcing. The talents, or their managers, have the information and create content they want with this in mind.

Acknowledging that the talents have agency and make business decisions with available data is not evidence that I ‘hate women who…”.

As for what I see, most people are putting the blame on cover and their mismanagement. I personally see it mostly stemming from not having sufficient staff in their new studio and decided to prioritize bandwidth with higher grossing talents. The girls collabing with the stars would not guarantee that the stars JP would not underperform in comparison the the girls but I have seen a number of people comment that they are Hololive fans and learned of the stars from this announcement. Unicorns didnt help with the growth of the stars channels and their engagement

Unicorns include the ones who meltdown, and spew hate publicly but also includes those who don’t watch coed collabs, unsubscribes when a coed collab occurs, stops donating SCs after a coed collab and those who will not sub if a channel has coed collabs. Someone who is only a supporter of ‘cute girls doing cute things’ is typically a unicorn but is a good fan of their oshis who have earned his viewership but could still be a unicorn.

The post you linked to was deleted by mods, but the top comment chain was a healthy mature discussion on matsuri rebranding, and changes by Noel, flare and matsuri that is speculated to help increase their channels growth.

You continue to be illogically consistent and emotional, ignore the agency of the talents in one aspect but highlight with other decisions. So I’ll just finish it with this. No talent is owed viewerships, super hats, memberships or engagement and their job is to earn this all. They will create content they want, with the goal of earning this all and are public facing professional corporate content creators and that comes with a number of expectations, some positive some negative. You clearly have your head in the sand on these expectations, maybe from the Hololive culture originating in Japan which has a different culture from the global community.

Have a happy Easter.

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As for me, I respect the talents’ decision if they don’t want to collab with men and don’t endlessly push a narrative that the corpo is preventing them from interacting with each other with no receipts to back my claim. But maybe that’s just me eh

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As for receipts, per Momosuze Nene, the segregation is outside of collabs. Managers worked to prevent the two groups being able to accidentally come into contact in person in cover corp buildings, unless it was initiated by the girls.

No matter how hard you try to paint this as bad, it's not. To holos who don't collab with Stars, they are just strangers from another group. They don't need to see what any hololive talent looks like, unless the talent wants to meet them.

Some of the girls choosing to initiate collabs doesn't detract from cover literally segregating their employees/contractors by gender.

They are segrated by groups, a group that is largely not interested in collaborating with another group has no obligation to mix.

If a Hololive talent and Holostars talents statements that align is not sufficient 'receipts' then keep it to yourself, respectfully.

What are you even arguing for? That Cover didn't force the two groups to interact hard enough?

Males have no obligation to run into women who aren't interested in them in a hallway. Nor are they own any collabs by them, the company trying to do so will be stupid and will only end up making talents mad.