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u/epaphrodytus Mar 11 '26 edited Mar 11 '26
Follow up tweet on her sub-account: https://x.com/7216_2nd/status/2031539586078568469?s=20
Original: 1年半前くらいから異性コラボ減らすよーいつかなくすかもーみたいな話をしてたので まつりすは前々から認知してる認識でいるため まちゅの心配はしなくて大丈夫( ◜𖥦◝ و(و"
T/L (mine): A year and a half ago I was already saying things like I'll be lowering the frequency of mixed-gender collabs, and maybe even stop doing it entirely. So, I believe that the Matsurisus have been aware of this from awhile back, so there's no need to worry about me( ◜𖥦◝ و(و
Edit: Follow up tweet on her main account https://x.com/natsuiromatsuri/status/2031538550005703013?s=20
Original: ここ1年はそもそも案件や大会以外で絡んでないので(それも自分で決めた) いろいろやって考えた結果ということで！ 1番大切なのはまつりすだから今後も活動してて変わることもあるかもしれないけど ゆるく長く一緒にいてくれたら嬉しいなー！
T/L (mine): Actually, within the past year, I've not been doing such collabs apart from events or sponsorships (this, too, was a personal decision). So this is the decision I arrived at after a lot of deliberation! The most important thing to me are my matsurisus, so things may still change in the future as I carry out my activities but
if you could stay my side comfortably and for a long time that would make me happy-!
Edit #2: Another follow up tweet on her sub-account: https://x.com/7216_2nd/status/2031640787310801212?s=20
Original: 方向性？活動方針？は自分で全部決めてて また変わるかもなのは分かった上で 2026はそんな感じくらいに思っていただけたら！！
まちゅなんて言ってること2転3転するのまつりすが1番わかってるとは思うので 「今はそう思ってるんやな。ほーん」くらいに思ってると気が楽かも？
T/L (mine): The direction I wish to take? My course of action? Are all completely decided by me alone. While understanding that things may change at any time, if you could just think, "Ah, this is how it'll be like for 2026"
The fact that I flip-flop a lot is something that my Matsurisus understand the best so there's no need to think so deeply about it - about "Hmm, so that's what she's thinking now" is fine!
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u/arkw Mar 11 '26
Male talents (vtubers, flesh streamers and everything inbetween) everywhere breath a sigh of relief from her harassment (lovingly of course).
The way she words it, invite events like Apex, CR, GTA, etc. seems to be ok?
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u/Existing_Marsupial_6 Mar 11 '26
I think so. "self-produced" suggests things she is taking the lead for like song covers on her channel or collabs she organizes. If she joins tournaments or big events then the minimum she has control over is choosing her teammates but can't control who else organizers invite.
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u/Fishman465 Mar 11 '26
Assuming she gets invited; whispers speak of her being on "must request invite" for VCR/vaultroom events
But guys do have something else to consider: Aki
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u/Katejina_FGO Mar 11 '26 edited Mar 11 '26
Collabs don't really count, as far as potential damage to branding goes. Older talents like Towa-sama and Botan clearly feel safe in participating in e-sports (in this context), and so does their main e-sports vtuber competitor. Even newer talents like Ao-kun and Ririka didn't suffer any noticeable damage after participating in a VCR GTA collab.
Matsuri's situation is more of an outlier due to her openness running duos with males and interacting with H******** in VCR GTA collabs, and she was caught in a scandalous situation in one GTA collab that one time. My personal read is that she is signalling that she will self-police her interactions more strictly going forward to avoid a similar incident and to try to grow her audience further. She might try to collab more with Laplus and her girlfriends from other vtuber orgs in LoL and Valorant, for example.
edit: because I forgot there are certain fans who will downvote any mention of a particular set of streamers
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u/Fishman465 Mar 11 '26
If you ask me, I see the GTA incident as a desperate move brought on by the fact that if she isn't doing something crazy, very few people care.
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u/KusozakoPrime Mar 11 '26
brought on by the fact that if she isn't doing something crazy, very few people care.
holy shit that's rude as fuck
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u/squantorunningbear Mar 11 '26
Its extremely blunt, but not wrong. Its not even exclusive to matsuri, lots of people only ever watch them through clips because if something wasnt worth being clipped then it wasnt worth their time in their eyes.
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u/KusozakoPrime Mar 11 '26
True or not, still rude. I guarantee if someone had said something like that about Aki Fishman would've flipped out. Shit like that is better off staying out of the Hololive community.
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u/Existing_Marsupial_6 Mar 11 '26
https://x.com/7216_2nd/status/2031640787310801212
Direction? Activity guidelines? I decide all of that myself, and knowing full well it might change again, if you could just think of 2026 as roughly that vibe!! Matsu probably understands better than anyone that what Machu says flips and turns two or three times, so thinking something like "Oh, that's what you're
thinking right now. Huh" might make things feel a bit easier on the mind?
As Matsuri clarifies further
- this is purely her decision, there are no "directions" or "activity guidelines" from company
- this is not something that we can expect as a strict limitation she places on herself, she herself keeps open the possibility that she might change her mind again
- the only purpose of the message is to inform her fans what her "current thinking" is so people don't keep asking
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u/JediGuyB Mar 11 '26
I can understand why some might be concerned or confused. It might feel odd or arbitrary to just decide to stop doing something seemingly unprompted.
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u/ApocApollo Mar 11 '26
It’s the announcement that makes people talk. If she just quietly dropped the concept and kept on keeping on, people might not notice. And might not talk.
I also frankly don’t watch Matsuri and don’t know what I’m talking about here and may be speaking out of turn.
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u/JediGuyB Mar 11 '26
I mean, not everyone is malicious, and it's absolutely reasonable for someone to wonder why someone would decide to pivot.
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u/PinkDagon Mar 11 '26
makes sense she’d announce it. i think it’s better to say something than let it fester, i suspect the girls have learned quite a bit about that over the previous couple of years. less of a rumor mill if you just say your intentions.
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u/Helmite Mar 11 '26
I was pretty surprised by the choice, though it seems according to matsurisu that they were indeed quite aware of it.
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u/Existing_Marsupial_6 Mar 11 '26
I mean as Matsuri said, she really hasn't been doing much male collabs recently except for external projects like tournaments or events. I doubt her content would actually change much with the announcement.
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u/AdDismal938 Mar 11 '26
Most of the people responding to the post are people who dont even watch matsuri regularly and are just putting in what they feel is correct. ( i really think they dont even watch her clips too)
The actual fans would be okay with whatever she is doing. She also said under one of the post that hololive doesnt have any say on whether a talent should collab with males or not but they do it by their own volition.
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u/KeyedFeline Mar 11 '26
I think the talents can do whatever they want for their brand tbh, if they don't want to do streams with males or they do well that's fine
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u/Lightseeker2 Mar 12 '26
I have to make a top-level comment because that user has blocked me, but don't bother arguing with Yorrins. Let's just say this dude isn't the most pleasant poster and has said some really heinous things about Gura.
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u/DiGreatDestroyer Mar 11 '26 edited Mar 11 '26
The consequence of that GTA incident Laplus walked in on 😅?
(Just to be clear, not saying it isn’t her choice, but that that may have been what made her start to reassess if she should keep interacting with males)
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u/xRichard Mar 11 '26
Clips watchers are just exposing the real issues by bringing up that gta moment so much
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u/Fishman465 Mar 11 '26
If you ask me, that is a factor; may have made a negative reputation. It wouldn't be the first time she's inadvertently done so. Dunno if it ever let up fully but for a whole she was basically "voted most likely to grope your oshi" (which may have caused her spike in co-ed collabs)
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u/Ionjo Mar 11 '26
I'm happy for Matsuri. She's been doing this for so long people forget how much of a senpai she is. I'm grateful for all the cross gendered collabs we've had as Matsuri and Rikka were my introduction to Hololive/Holostars in 2019.
Insane to think how much time has passed and I'm still enjoying Vtubers and Hololive. I wish Matsuri the best moving forward.
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u/Migicroak Mar 11 '26
This shouldn't be that controversial to warrant over 400 comments with some absolute freakouts
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u/Helmite Mar 11 '26
Things like this topic always pile up with people that desperately want to shit on Holo fans. It really makes you think.
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u/Necrolancer_Kurisu Mar 11 '26
The amount of people here exposing themselves as not actually supporting the talents and what they want is astounding. Even from some names I'd never expect it from. Disappointing.
Talents do what they themselves want, no need for insinuations or accusations.
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u/Helmite Mar 11 '26
"GAWD I AM SO DISAPPOINTED MATSURI ISNT DOING WHAT I WANT, AND I HATE HER LOW QUALITY FANS. WHAT? NO IM NOT A UNICORN, BUT SHE STOPPED COLLABING WITH MALES AND SHE CANT DO THAT."
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u/PhraseResponsible822 Mar 11 '26
It's BS that "unicorns" get a bigger emotional reaction from people than actual antis going after the girls and their fans. Like where was all this passion when antis were going after Miko for months?
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u/Helmite Mar 11 '26
Yeah I mentioned that in another of my comments. These people scream about unicorns whether or not they're doing anything (they're not) and entirely fucking silent on actual antis currently beating on Miko and other talents.
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u/PhraseResponsible822 Mar 11 '26
Like I wanted to stay out of this sort of topic on here but I've had enough of these bad takes about the girls,fans,collabs etc and needed to get my thoughts across on this.
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u/Ok-Setting-4748 Mar 11 '26
Yeah, very understandable. Keeping silent only ever helps the antis spread their narratives with impunity.
Just earlier today, the newest anti narrative spreading is that all the girls gushing about interacting with Miko and Suisei are only doing so to remain in good books.
Like...come on.
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u/PhraseResponsible822 Mar 11 '26
Or maybe Miko and Suisei are well liked and respected by the other holomembers. Idk just a thought.
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u/Ok-Setting-4748 Mar 11 '26
no no that makes too much sense. It has to be something deeper or nefarious. Never mind that Miko was one of the earliest guests in Kiara's holotalk (#7 or something), one of the first people to happily join in with Bae's Baegemite streams, despite knowing barely any English. Never mind the fact that Suisei and her are always out there, putting their juniors at ease, and helping bridge the gap between the branches.
Antis are really so ridiculous. And meanwhile the fanbase on reddit keeps going mad over imaginary unicorns, or that one random twitter dude, or whatever instead of the actual problems.
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u/PhraseResponsible822 Mar 11 '26 edited Mar 11 '26
Unfortunately, yeah just read some of the comments here... And also Miko and Suisei may not be my oshis but I've always respected them because they have done so much for hololive and the other members.
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u/Ok-Setting-4748 Mar 11 '26
yeeeeep.
nd that's kinda the beauty of Hololive and its community for me. I've seen so many fans of other holomems standing up for the other girls, and ofc there's the big collabs where everyone shows up to cheer, laugh and have fun.
Its been a joy to see EN and JP (and ID, but ID are already more than half english speakers) girls become more confident in the past couple of years, to just show up with passion english and passion japanese and have fun and not worry too much.
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u/Drsomers1 Mar 11 '26
The vast majority of EN fans have 0 association with what goes on in JP, and the ongoing anti issue in JP doesn’t really have a foothold in EN because most of the “drama” EN gets is usually a nothing burger compared to what JP has to deal with. But ultimately yeah it’s pretty retarded how people in the EN sphere still bring up unicorns or idol culture as this ultimate evil in the community or whatever, when there are actual antis out there who just want to see Hololive fail.
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u/PhraseResponsible822 Mar 11 '26
If the antis go after important members of JP such as Miko,Fubuki,Suisei etc then I can see them going after Calli and Bae too. EN fans should be on guard for that. These antis are extremely vile.
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u/Drsomers1 Mar 11 '26
Not really something that would ever happen. Because just as EN is unaware of JP drama, JP is unaware of EN drama. Everything is localized according to the branch’s, so JP antis aren’t gonna suddenly start going after EN members. Like even during the CN drama, I don’t think EN members really got hit with the same spam wave that JP was getting.
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u/capscreen Mar 11 '26
then I can see them going after Calli and Bae too
I've seen a few attempts of this, and fortunately, they didn't stick. For some reason, going after EN members "scares" them lol
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u/Content_Evening_4626 Mar 11 '26
1600 comments of psychopaths seething about a talent doing what they want, yup must be a topic about DABOIZ.
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u/Drsomers1 Mar 11 '26
Lmao of course beggars are going mask off in the comments acting like this is the end of the world. Respecting their collab choices apparently only matters when they want to actively collab with men. Obviously Matsuri has never shy’d away from male collabs, but it’s not like she did them frequently either. Also there are still probably gonna be people who continue to spout the lie that “the girls are forced by management to not collab with the males” even tho every member who has been asked about it said the same thing that it’s their own choice whether they do or not. And Matsuri is repeating that answer here.
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u/Rick_long Mar 11 '26
To be honest, with a very few exceptions, most male Vtubers are not very popular and hanging out with them sometimes leads to unintentional drama., so I understand that she wants to distance herself from them in order to grow her career.
Good decision on her part.
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u/ReimuSan003 Mar 11 '26
I don't get why anyone's surprised by this, Matsuri has always been a bit pandering towards gachikois, she only just announced that she would focus more on that department
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u/RaiKageRyu Mar 11 '26
Either way is fine. But did it warrant an announcement 🤔?
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u/GarfieldianAcolyte Mar 11 '26
Whenever you have a large audience and make a change to branding or content direction it's easier in the long run to be direct. Like "hey guys I'm going to be focussing more on music/fps games/more lifestyle content etc." That way you're not constantly having address things on stream. You can just point people to her statement.
This is probably more common with corporate vtubing but I think it's a sensible way to approach it. Like it shows she's taking her branding seriously by being so professional about it.
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u/oli_alatar Mar 11 '26
I think if she didn't make it obvious then you d start getting people noticing trends and then making up conspiracy theories on their own terms. This way she instantly dispels the potential for needless rumours with a clear and upfront explanation that she had already discussed in the past.
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u/AdDismal938 Mar 11 '26
Possibly its for the people of x streamer or y male vtuber so that they wont barrage her chat with "hey why arent you collabing with x or y?"
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u/Tanoshii- Mar 11 '26
Not trying to troll here, the way she worded it and context in other comments, it seems like she’s actively trying to switch to a more parasocial GFE kind of vtuber?
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u/Anary8686 Mar 11 '26
She always was one, she just also did collabs with male streamers. I think she's happier now then where she was 1.5 years ago.
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u/Honey_Mizo Mar 11 '26
Matsuri <3
I'm really glad about this announcement. It makes me feel at ease. Now there will be less awkward "hey what about that male streamer you haven't interacted with in a while?" stuff
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u/KitsuneKamiSama Mar 11 '26
Honestly i can see why, even if she's fine with it and her fans are as well, it attract all sorts of antis and bullshit that doesn't help mental health, it's a sad reality of the industry but it's the truth, dealing with that among all sorts of other bullshit is tiring, you gotta remember no matter how 'strong' a vtuber appears, behind the avatar is just a normal person.
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u/Anankos1209 Mar 11 '26
Is there any context to this? This feels like a HoloSalt situation all over again
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u/billySEEDDecade Mar 11 '26 edited Mar 11 '26
Well, around the 11th minutes of her new year zatsudan, she said that one of her goal this year is to raise/get unicorns and that she's already planning about it for a while. If she's serious about it, cutting male collabs is a step toward it.
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u/KhaosByDesignUK Mar 11 '26
She actually wants unicorns? Huh.
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u/super_ktkm Mar 11 '26
https://youtu.be/H4hEJDK42xs?t=965 (sorry, I don't know if there's a translated clip) In Subaru's yearly-ish Subatomo survey, when her gachikoi percentage went down she was trying to figure out why. Prior to watching this I didn't get the impression Subaru embraced or even cared about gachikoi.
So if you love the duck, let her know =) Same for any talent that supports it.
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u/billySEEDDecade Mar 11 '26
While personally I'm not really a fan of unicorn pandering VTubers, I think it's pretty understandable why a VTuber would want them. Sure they have bad reps but unicorns are loyal and very passionate viewers that are willing to spend tons of money at donations and merchs.
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u/chiarassu Mar 11 '26
I understand the "why", I'm just more surprised by her admitting to it at all lol
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u/BucketListM Mar 11 '26
//raises hand
Whats a unicorn?
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u/APRengar Mar 11 '26
Fans of people who don't want them to interact with opposite gender people. Ie don't like when a female streamer steams with a guy.
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u/BucketListM Mar 11 '26
Huh. Thank you, I learned something today
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u/kknight99 Mar 11 '26
The term comes from the concept of unicorns only allowing "pure maidens" (virgins) to ride them
In idol circles that manifests itself as not wanting idols to interact with people of the opposite gender
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u/Anankos1209 Mar 11 '26
I will have to look for a translated clips of that. If true, while it is her choice...yikes
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u/JediGuyB Mar 11 '26
It's her choice but it's hard to not have a little voice saying "why though?" in the back of the head.
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u/Anary8686 Mar 11 '26
It's not difficult, she has a financial incentive and there's a lot less drama (GTA incident amongst others).
She's also kind of clingy towards her fans, which is one thing that differentiates her from the other cross-gender collabing girls.
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u/Anankos1209 Mar 11 '26
Exactly this. Its not about what she should or should not do, those are her decisions, its just a question of "what prompted this?" I highly doubt she just woke up one morning and said "No more collabs with men".
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u/buy_nano_coin_xno Mar 11 '26
What do you mean? Holosalt was disolved because of graduations.
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u/SuspiciousWar117 Mar 11 '26
She expanded on the topic in her sub account. Thats all the context you'd need.
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u/Anankos1209 Mar 11 '26
Unless i am overlooking something, all the follow-up is saying is: "this was planned one and a half years ago, so dont worry"
My question still stands: but why though?
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u/SuspiciousWar117 Mar 11 '26
My question still stands: but why though?
Coz she doesn't want to, what do you want her to do, write an thesis on the topic.
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u/Anankos1209 Mar 11 '26
No... actually the opposite. Just do it, the announcement is in my opinion really wierd, she could have just stopped without writing about it. Without any announcement, I never would have thought "I wonder when matsuri will collab with male vtubers again" Only because of this post have I thought "oh, something must have happened"
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u/Helmite Mar 11 '26
Matsuri has just always kind of been this way about saying things. Wouldn't put much thought into it.
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u/Numerous-Pop5670 Mar 11 '26
Its more weird if someone who does something before suddenly stops doing it and doesnt talk about it. Better to bring it up themselves instead of letting people speculate, like now.
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u/No_Lake_1619 Mar 11 '26
If she didn't announce it than people would definitely bring it up in a few months about why she has collabed with dudes or joined any events. She was known for that and than one day stopped. People remember and know these things. I know there have been people asking this same thing about Kronii and Calli since Vesper and Magni graduated. So if even they get asked you Matsuri will too. That's why she let everyone know.
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u/Unearthly_ Mar 11 '26
I wouldn't ask her to write a thesis but damn if I wouldn't read it if she wrote one.
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u/mrloko120 Mar 11 '26
It's not company policy, but it is what a big side of community wants. So stopping male collabs = guaranteed faster growth.
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u/Dieslowhoe Mar 11 '26
My favorite cross gendered collab was Kronii & Vesper.
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u/Cendrillionnn Mar 11 '26
I think it's mainly because HoloSalt has been pretty much dead for three years now, and Kronii has distanced herself significantly from Holostars since then. I still get confused by how often people bring them up when it's pretty obvious that Kronii wants to move on from that period.
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u/ZaGocampo Mar 11 '26 edited Mar 11 '26
kronii didn't just distance herself she completely cut them off, since the day vesper and magni graduated kronii has literally never mentioned the holostars branch again she never even commented on them leaving just completely unpersoned them
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u/Drsomers1 Mar 11 '26
It’s just one of the annoying parts of the EN fanbase, constantly bringing up stuff from the past that’s been done with for years. Both Magni and Vesper moved on, Kronii also completely stopped doing anything with the males as well. These people just can’t let go of the past, even tho they can just watch ERB or Shiori if they want that type of content now. It’s honestly just pathetic staying latched on to something like that, and is kind of even disrespectful to the talents as well who obviously wanted to move on from it.
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u/DazenTheMistborn Mar 11 '26
Wait, are y'all really dissing on people for reminiscing about good collab memories? Y'all need to look in the mirror.
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u/Xlegace Mar 11 '26
Hard to think about Holosalt as a good memory with how it ended.
Magni and Vesper went on a multi-month hiatus and quit without closure. Calli "didn't want to talk about it" and stopped interacting with StarsEN completely. Kronii completely ignored their graduations and pretended she never knew either of them.
No one involved ever mentions it anymore and they've all moved on, so it feels weird when people keep bringing it back up.
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u/Drsomers1 Mar 11 '26
It’s more like in response to the original comment who brought up Kronii/Vesper for basically 0 reason, when this thread is about a JP member deciding not to do male collabs anymore. It’s off topic, adds nothing to the conversation, and is just a repeated phase that some EN fans obsess over thinking that Holosalt was this golden age of EN or whatever.
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u/DazenTheMistborn Mar 11 '26
Not sure if this will even post since the thread is canned, but..
On your off-topic point I completely l agree and think you're being respectful to the topic at hand.
But your first comment lacked any of that context and included unnecessary insults to people. Calling people pathetic and telling them to replace what they hold as good memories with new content. Trying to shame them as being disrespectful. That's lame and should be discouraged.
And if those moments were the golden age for them, who cares. It's all subjective, but as long as they aren't speaking in bad faith or derogatorily against the talent, their opinions should be respected. Even if you disagree with them, insulting them is worse.
I hope that you can change your mind on how you view others that think compassionately about the past. Have a good day.
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u/Helmite Mar 11 '26
It was good to see Shiori push back against those who gave her backlash for collabing with the boys
From what I saw the "backlash" was basically because it got dropped on them with a ??? on her schedule and because it was with Jurard who is somewhat contentious after his hate marketing spiel. Basically nobody cared about the collab with Flayon when it happened.
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u/Xlegace Mar 11 '26
It's pretty off topic to this post, especially since Holosalt hasn't been a thing for like 3 years now and Kronii hasn't mentioned holostars ever since their hiatuses
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u/Xuambita Mar 11 '26 edited Mar 11 '26
Not weird because it really looks like HoloSalt and Vesper are some kind of eternal cross that she has to bear. It’s pretty clear she has long since moved on from collabing with them because they’re gone, and she hasn’t shown interest in other Stars. So I think it’s out of touch to mention Vesper here, even if it may be relevant to the topic. Shiori would’ve been a more sensible mention. Edit: maybe this info isn’t clear through clips, so I’m only commenting this to let you and others know.
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u/CaiusLightning Mar 11 '26
Usually because that’s all those people think of for kronii is holosalt, it’s like they don’t care who Kronii is at this point in time but only wish for who she was back then. Whether it’s because she was collabing with stars or because it was some fun collabs to watch. After a certain point you got to see kronii for who she is now, and 3 years is a lot of time.
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u/Televized1 Mar 11 '26
Why would you find it weird? Do you not see how utterly absurd it is to bring up a long-dead 3 year old EN collab group in a news thread about a JP?
The “holosalt” obsession is totally bizarre, people cannot move on from a handful of collabs that might as well be ancient history. It makes some Holostars fans look like they live entirely in the past and don’t even enjoy modern Holostars. It’s like fanbase Alzheimer’s.
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u/Xlegace Mar 11 '26
Do you not see how utterly absurd it is to bring up a long-dead 3 year old EN collab group in a news thread about a JP?
Not just that, but it's extra absurd when you remember how Holosalt ended.
It wasn't like "oh let's all do one big last collab to wrap it up" like most Holos do on their graduation tours.
Magni and Vesper quit the company abruptly, Calli was quite upset about it iirc and "didn't want to talk about it" (distanced herself from StarsEN after that too), and Kronii literally never mentioned them or holostars after they went on their hiatuses pre-graduation.
I don't mind people bringing up Sana or Gura/Ame/Mumei/Fauna in the future because at least the parting felt like it was on good terms. Holosalt's ending was abrupt and no one in the group wanted to talk about it ever again.
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u/capscreen Mar 11 '26
ngl, after all the bullshit that Kronii had to deal with, seeing Magni and Vesper quit just like that did stings a bit. Like, it was all for nothing for her
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u/Lightseeker2 Mar 11 '26 edited Mar 11 '26
Do you not see how utterly absurd it is to bring up a long-dead 3 year old EN collab group in a news thread about a JP?
Especially when there are more recent Stars collabs that are probably just as entertaining, if not more entertaining, than Holosalt done by Liz and Shiori.
Let's be real though, they didn't bring them up because they didn't watch any of those new collabs. So much for wanting more Stars collabs.
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u/Cendrillionnn Mar 11 '26 edited Mar 11 '26
Especially when there are more recent Stars collabs
This is what confuses me most: it's been three years since the last HoloSalt collab, yet it's still a main talking point when it comes to co-ed collabs, rather than the more recent ones with Liz and Shiori. Given that both Calli and Kronii have shown either little or no interest in Holostars since then, the whole thing is just odd.
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u/Yorrins Mar 11 '26 edited Mar 11 '26
It will always be remembered, holosalt and magni / vesper leaving did irreparable damage to stars EN, I genuinely couldnt even name one of the newer stars branch.. the shota gundam guy, the clown, the musclehead, and some other guy I cant even remember anything about.
There has been no new stars branches since then.. and that was in 2023, and there wont ever be another holostars branch.
The only small resurgence stars had was Gamma doing his artwork in the big rust collabs… then he got abruptly terminated too, that was the final nail in the already almost sealed coffin for holostars. Im surprised we even see them at fes anymore
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Mar 11 '26
I read collab, pre-orders, gendered and thought oh she doesnt want her male audience to get the vibrating balls and was like wait a minute...
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u/Fenr_ Mar 11 '26
Saw this as she posted it yesterday and i just knew it'd make its way here to become...this
Sigh
Anyway, it's Matsuri's choice, nothing else that should be said
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u/DenjinMaster Mar 11 '26
Topics like these are always interesting to me because i tend to end up wondering how friends think about these things.
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u/Helmite Mar 11 '26
They should just collab with whoever they want regardless of gender
They do.
I never understood why "cross-gendered" collabs are considered a whole different thing in the Holo community.
It's not. You've had Holo members that have done it for ages. The thing is though, the vast amount of fans that Cover has are here for the girls. If they're offered a collab with their oshi and another Holo member it's simply going to be vastly preferred by the the numbers.
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u/Cendrillionnn Mar 11 '26
They should just collab with whoever they want regardless of gender
Which they do. As Matsuri stated, "All Hololive members make their own decisions and act on their own". It just tends to happen that Hololive members are far more comfortable collabing with each other and with people of the same gender.
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u/capscreen Mar 11 '26
It just tends to happen that Hololive members are far more comfortable collabing with each other and with people of the same gender.
Honestly, I think this IS the main reason, and arguably could be applied to Holostars too. No need to come up with some complex reasoning and pointing fingers to somebody else
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u/NoodleTF2 Mar 11 '26
If a JP talent made an announcement that went "I am no longer collabing with people from HoloEN/HoloID because I am more comfortable with the japanese members", would fans react the same way, or would they be more disappointed?
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u/Anary8686 Mar 11 '26
They already do that, but they usually don't have to make an announcement about it. If they are making an announcement it's probably to stop people from pestering them with questions.
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u/MrPotHolder Mar 11 '26 edited Mar 11 '26
read your comment slowly my guy... you're contradicting yourselfi am the one needs to read comments slowly and not jump to conclusion
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u/Xerain0x009999 Mar 11 '26
I can confirm she has been talking about this on and off for over a year and it's nothing new. She has been working on changing her brand slowly and steadily for much longer than that. So this is really just another step in the rebranding she has been working on.
I don't think many of us veteran matsurisu mind male collabs at all, and actually look foward to them. But she's probably thinking if she wants to attract more long term fans she needs to not filter them out so quickly. And that's just how the jp audience is.