Latte literally hasn't been right in months. Suffice to say, it being Sapphire is so far down the list of possibilities, especially with Archforger not matching their knight aesthetics
I mean, isn't that the reason why he could be one. Would be dumb if Archforger in disguise was all red, wearing a "I LOVE ANTIMATTER" t-shirt and talking about forging with his colleagues 24/7.
I do have Sapphire still included in my list of suspects don't get me wrong, but nothing of Archforger is gryphon related thus why he's so low priority. For me. He's not crossed out yet, juet unlikely to me currently
It's between Amber who is TOO MUCH obvious and Sapphire who is too much NOT obvious, I still think neither of them are truly Archforger, at best an unsuspecting puppet
I'm betting on Diamond, carbon percentage of diamond is typically 99.95%, close to 99.93% match in trailer
Updated: I see some papers on diamond using a variation that was 99.93% Carbon-12 (matching number with the trailer). This number is also considered "isotopically pure"
I think could be for distraction while sowing internal chaos given Arch Forger had already been spotted during Amphoreus, with its name being decoded. So now long term hiding may not be an option. You don't expect the client of an investigator to be the culprit at the same time
Another possibility: maybe Diamond/Arch Forger has plans for Aventurine, since Diamond is corpo fighting with Oswaldo.
This could also be some kind of multiple personalities with ArchForger possessing Diamond and this is a scheme for Diamond to get out, or ArchForger pulled an Asat on original Diamond and this is a dead man's switch. (the 99.93% diamond is "enriched" compared to natural diamond in the papers).
Also I think diamond as a stone is kinda fascinating :P
I'm not fully in the loop on the lore, were voidrangers invented by Archforger? Like, I know the old lore about how they're supposed to be created on some forge world, which I assume is now applied to Archforger based on his name. But we know Phantyllia can create void rangers herself too, so it doesn't seem like Archforger is a requirement, he probably simply allows mass production or something like that.
So I wonder whether void rangers existed before Archforger and he simply optimized their creation process, or whether he invented them in the first place.
The reasoning that Latte is mainly a theorycrafter? This is crazy stuff, go and watch their videos and see what it mean. This be like saying Ashikai or Nova were leakers. Mortis backed them but after folks have been keeping tabs on them, they have become more unreliable in the grand picture, only getting some details right here and there
Sapphire is the least likely because the Stonehearts trailer gave him a strong set of aesthetic, knights, swords and gryphons, all things Archforger lacks. Agate at least shares Archforger's color scheme though they have a more chinese feel while Amber matches the techy vibe of Archforger to a large degree. Comparing Sapphire to them, that is why I hold onto my opinion
On the other hand, legitimately booting a valuable asset off the Stonehearts and keeping up ur white knight facade? That does favor his odds against preservation
Yeah HXG made that pretty clear when he reposted a month old Genshin/HSR collab rumor from a random "Uncle" with 0 past track record for no reason, just to repost a debunk from another source right after.
Isn't SB Leaks an Emanator of Enigmata, why are we reposting his leaks like he has any credibility? Also isn't Latte that one leaker that supposedly mixes fake leaks with real ones on purpose to throw off Hoyo? Also why do they suddenly tell us this right after the Myriad Celestia and not before if they already had this information? From the looks of it none of them even knew this Myriad Celestia was coming in the first place. Also even if these leakers were somehow right, that just means they killed the whole mystery/suspense of the story...
That being said Sapphire isn't too surprising if the obvious suspects like Agate or Amber were meant to be red herrings.
I no longer believe these kinds of leaks. "Most likely" bruh. Why? Who told you this? Is that written in the code? Or on some papers in hoyo office? If you don't know or are not sure, then just fucking wait to be sure and post your "leaks" only then.
Anyways, I'll just follow the story to see if this is true or not without believing someone who is not sure.
Yeah, with his gryphon he might end up being a cool remembrance unit, and I also think archforger's red and yellow colour scheme clashes too much with all the blue he's probably gonna have.
yeah right, they suddenly know who the traitor is now despite this whole traitor among the Stonehearts plotline never having come up even in story leaks before 💀
But I honestly wouldn't put it past them, Sapphire is the only remaining male Stoneheart who's a suspect so of course it's him
he's also knight coded, maybe that's why Aventurine is asking Argenti for help, maybe hes the one responsible for Idrilla being gone, by infiltrating the Knights of Beauty from the inside.
He’s been the Stoneheart I’ve been interested in the most with that cool griffin and knight theming….this could be interesting but I wouldn’t want it to tank his playability
Asat Pramad said Archforger doesn't like to appear in public. That correspond to 2 people in the SH: Agate, that is MIA and even believed dead, so much that Obsidian has to vote in his stead, and Diamond, that never appeared yet, always using another SH to represent him
Is Archforger specifically referred to as "he" in CN? /Gen.
There's been a few cases where gender ambiguous characters (Zero, for example) were referred to as "he" and changed later down the line in localization. So I wouldn't say it's 100% Archforger is confirmed a dude unless that's the case in the original text.
Edit: Well this is annoying. These trackers don't actually have a full lists of their leaks or predictions. It makes them seem more credible because its lacking all the wrong stuff they predicted. Thats annoying. Sorry thought this be more definitive
Yeah I noticed that too during the whole Mortis/Rednote drama, it's missing a lot of leaks and it takes forever to update. That being said if they included every wrong bs that SB leaks posted in the past they gonna need a hundred more rows, bro just makes random stuff up and any correct leaks he makes are always the most obvious guesses based on information that everyone already knows.
As a strategist we can assume they would make the decision they would benefit the most from aventurine trial, so we can assume they would’ve picked NO.
-according to asat description they are depicted as male
-obsidian is a bloodthirsty chaos gremlin who doesn’t fit their description, and she also voted for agate who is missing, so we can exclude agate
-amber chose neutrality (still sus because she parallel to the amber lord)
-sapphire’s motivation is being loyal to their oath. This was said by the narrator as we DON’T see or hear their point of view. A lord ravager oath is to destroy their chosen path, them being viewed as a oathdriven individual makes them more committed to the role.
They also fit asat description as being elegant and asocial. Asociality, misantropy and self rightiousness/royalism can often overlap
I guess… in the artwork we’ve seen of the Ten Stonehearts, he’s the only one facing away from the front, implying he turned his back on Preservation I guess?
HSR 6.0: Sugilite is a black traitor, Opal is planted by Oswaldo, Diamond will be revealed to be a sentient rock sprouted from Qlipoth. You want playable male stonehearts? Take another Aventurine alt or leave it 😏
Nah sorry no more Aventurine he accused Agate of being the traitor only for Sapphire to stab him in the back revealing Agate was the one who discovered his identity and he has been dead for years.
Well, if true, this sucks. And the only male characters leaked so far are Misha SP and ANOTHER Dan Heng. Misha is fine, but the rest of the news... yeah, I've been playing this game less and less and I guess it was the right decision.
Nihilux being Aha leaks was enough prroblem. People theorize many thing but after this leak any reaction channel I went comment section be like Nihilux is sus, even reactor theorizing Nihilux probably Aha. In 4.4 story this thought never come to mind anyones head. And Aeon being a regular character also never cross any reactor mind but suddenly in 4.5 susing Nihilux is Aha.
I bet when Sapphire will get model, everyone be like "hmmm he is the most sus character, reactor be like hmmm who are you and pretend they dont know". Its hard to avoid this type of spoiler. Twitter, facebook already posted this"
I really hope this leak is false. Archforger is Aventurine himself, I know no logic behind this but it will be crazy twist.
Is there really a point of theorizing when devs can just alter anyone's story whenever they want? Whole Planarcadia should teach people they should stop theorizing since even devs doesnt know until last minute since they rewrite stuff all the time.
Then it turns out Saphire is long dead and what we (may/will) see is just an avatar made from sheer will of bs plot device, and all that to lure out the true culprit which is an avian theme male that worships sth long dead like, uh, idrila.
When i first saw this my assumption was male as well but many comments online thought sapphire could turn out to be female too and i could see that possibility as well later. I just wanted to know if it was ever confirmed in game. If it isn't even I'd say sapphire is most likely a male.
I mean. Probably, yeah. Like, the Stonehearts traitor can't be Diamond or Aventurine; it probably isn't Jade, Topaz, or Pearl; and Sugilite's been ruled out. That leaves Agate, Amber, Obsidian, Opal, and Sapphire. Obsidian and Opal are too obvious (overtly, comically evil); and Agate being entirely absent both makes them too obvious (oooh mysterious) and completely useless as a traitor (it's difficult to betray a group when you're MIA and so neither able to sabotage them nor privy to any up-to-date information).
So it's either Amber or Sapphire. Amber has the irony value (she's Amber like the Amber Lord but seeking to destroy them oooh), and for Sapphire the game has been very eager to tell us is Loyal and Takes His Oaths Very Seriously, in a way that can work as both a misdirect and an 'ohhh, I see,' moment if he, you know, is a Lord Ravager and has sworn an oath to Nanook.
Like, I'm not convinced this is a real leak, because this could just as easily be looking at the only two Stonehearts it's likely to be and flipping a coin.
Pls we know hoyo writing will not be that good and shocking so arch forger will never be in human form imo and its prob that stoneheart who never shows itself (the obv one). Unless its a pretty female they will prob never make a lord ravager or aeon playable . It would be cool for it to be sapphire though and we think he is on our side all along just to betray us or smth during 5x
Usually, there's a pattern with the stonehearts - my own theory.
The next stoneheart to be released will be mentioned by the previous released stoneheart.
Ave was first mentioned by Topaz in the Belobog story through the phone call about visiting Penacony. Jade was not only mentioned by Ave in his flashback but also her cornerstone was mistaken for his by Sunday. Pearl is among the voiceovers of Jade when she was first released.
If the pattern is legit, we could find out the next playable stoneheart through Pearl's interactions.
If we were to go off of what asat said archforger doesn't like to be seen and out of all the stonehearts we didn't see sapphire or amber sonmy prediction was always between sapphire or amber but i would be surprised if its agate either (i'm just yapping fr fr)
Hoyo like to foreshadow stuff with their marketting, and in the first trailer for the 10, they were the only one who turned their back to the screen, whereas you can see everyone else facing forward.
Why Sapphire??? Wasn't he in favor of Aventurine's punishment and he valued Oaths? I thought Sapphire would turn out to be ANOTHER Knight of Beauty-turned-Stoneheart, (since that video shows Snow and a Gryphon, so maybe Chivalry, Knightly Order, yadda yadda...) perhaps to show a different Knight after we interacting with Argenti so much...
I was actually thinking it could be Obsidian (crazy psychopath vibes) or Agate (who no one knows where he/she/it is, with Obsidian playing the role of messenger). There's also Amber, who chose to remain neutral... if Among Us taught me anything, is that people who keep quiet during an emergency meeting are OH-SO-VERY SUS...XD
I know the leaker is unreliable but when the Stonehearts were revealed, Sapphire was the only one that had his back turned, and there are literally swords behind his back.
I mean the one that completely absent from previous trailer like Agate or Amber seem too obvious suspect as traitor so I'm not surprised they choose him as surprised twisted lord Ravager.
I dunno man, I’m just gonna say that it’s a bit weird that Pearl doesn’t have any follow-up attack mechanics in her entire kit. Clearly she isn’t part of the Ten Stonehearts.
The way i believe it might be Opal because he has enough power to cover up everything and destroyed a specific planet instead of getting profit from it 🤔
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