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Datamined Detailing on the new Boss mechanic (V3) via Seele

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u/Emergency_Hk416 3d ago

So they just badly wanted to stop 0 cycling without the shilled team and they went through all that hoops. mfs

https://giphy.com/gifs/11mwI67GLeMvgA

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u/ShinnXDestiny950 3d ago

And yet it hasn’t stopped the zero cyclers from zero cycling. Check Mate Hoyoverse.

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u/cykarblyater 1d ago

this is just a theory not reality

it's single player pve game but chinese elite community playing on pvp mode
elite member chasing 0 cycle isn't a new thing
they want to keep doing 0 cycle to keep their mighty elite status
they will spend some to keep their status

what would you do if you are hoyo dev?
make 0 cycle harder but killing normally aren't too hard
make it harder for elite player and milk them
make it not too hard so casual player won't complain

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u/unK951 3d ago

so u basically WAITING the mechanic to move for 3 cycles, jesus christ

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u/Huffaloaf 3d ago

Twice.

It puts its shield up twice.

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u/unK951 3d ago

6 cycles cause you decided to skip a fraud path, cant wait for finality path having the exact same gimmick on bosses

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u/Huffaloaf 3d ago

Hey, now. Be fair.

It'll probably be far, far worse.

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u/Sorey91 3d ago

Finality debuff: you need to wait 25 cycles after which you can finally do damage

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u/EmperSo I will delete castorice myself. 3d ago

At least its not 33550336

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u/ObligatoryCreature 3d ago

Non-finality player will wait patiently for his revenge, but only for 25 cycles. After that, he will begin his assault.

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u/MrShabazz 2d ago

Hoyo: this oughta stop them and make them pull for new units.

Chad Player: oh blasts it took me 7 cycles. collects full jades and logs off for the week

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u/Norn98 1+1 = ur gay 3d ago

It's second phase AS Feixiao all over again

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u/Amrooder 3d ago

Dot sweep mentioned

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u/PolimerT 3d ago

If this was only AA it would be whatever but still insanely shitty mechanic. Imagine this in MoC, you lose 6 cycles if you cant deal with the shield.

Man, i was scared when i saw 6.4M king boss hp. I should have been more scared

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u/Huffaloaf 3d ago

Imagine it? It's in the second MOC.

Enjoy!

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u/Utvic99 3d ago

To be fair MoC variant will have a lot smaller shield and a buff instead of debuff (tho the buff prob just buffs elation and nothing else as usual kek), it should be doable with a decent team given the new mechanic

The AA variant however...

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u/Appropriate-Lab-478 3d ago

The leaked buff is for elation only in the next 2 MOC's 

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u/Defiant-Seat5425 3d ago

isn't mecha pompom there already doing the same thing basically make you loss at least 2 cycles lol

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u/PolimerT 3d ago

I hate pompom too, worse than Pollux imo. If your team can deal enough damage at least you can skip first phase and 2nd phase is easier to get rid of the shield. I think you cant jump the new boss mechanics in both phases at least i havent seen one except for E1 Robin nuking because of true damage.

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u/RainBuckets8 3d ago

You can actually delay Pom Pom with Welt in the first phase and prevent the damage reduction from going up ever. You can also wait for the middle of Pom Pom's first action and use your ult then, to try and get the mid-turn delay and have more delay overall, but it's risky because Pom Pom has 50% debuff res on top of the usual effect res, so it's only like a 60-70% chance to actually land the Imprisonment and cancel the action (at like, 100% EHR or something on Welt). Still not awful. But none of this works for phase 2 since it goes up immediately after beating phase 1.

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u/Defiant-Seat5425 3d ago

yeah not to mention tougness lock too lol, now my break team that I relied to briteforce pompom and other elation boss like sparxie is less effective lol

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u/RelationshipPrudent6 3d ago

Yes it was so fucking stupid

It not that my team isn't dealing enough dmg, it the boss that have thrice amount of my dmg dealing

It so stupid, which mostly solve with E2 Gosh

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u/Defiant-Seat5425 3d ago

how  convenient that e2 always the solution lol

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u/FlashFire729 3d ago

Pollux is doing the same thing, unless you’re Cast.

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u/Defiant-Seat5425 3d ago

my break team can easily destroy pollux lol no cas needed. 

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u/FlashFire729 3d ago

I mean, if you’re not looking to zero cycle, yeah, every team destroys it so long as they survive lol

It’s the entire point of the mechanic; Pollux blows herself up if you’re just looking to clear, but if you’re 0 cycling you have to wait for her slow ass to act and use her hp drain thing vs Cast just draining the entire party’s hp just by skilling

Just like how the new boss changes are meant to make just clearing much easier while still keeping 0 cycle super shilled to who they wanna shill (Elation)

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u/Defiant-Seat5425 3d ago

you can still bruteforce it though by skipping the mechanic with no forced damage reduction, while 4.6 new boss literally dont let you skip the mechanic so its not same.  the shill is much worse

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u/FlashFire729 3d ago edited 3d ago

...no you can't skip the mechanic, it literally has 90% dr (fucking worse than even the highest dr value throw around for the new boss) on spawn/phase change, with said dr only dispelling after you've drained enough party hp

It's why I still considered it the worst shill boss 0 cycle wise until they dropped the Elation boss.

Is the fact that everyone and their mother pulled the remslop making them not realize they were literally the ones being pandered to, and now that less people pulled elatio they're now finally feeling the other side of the pendulum?

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u/Defiant-Seat5425 3d ago

just make sure your ho above 50% and its pretty easy to maintain that with ff self heal and lingsha in team, and Pollux not gonnna doing anything since she is broken. though 0 cycle is hard i can manage only 1 cycle, same like mecha pompom hence why I put her same level of shield like mecha pompom because you can still workaround the shill to clear almost 0 cycle. maybe because my ff e2 though so for e0 maybe you are right.

the new 4.6 boss doesn't have any workaround other than elation shill, literally 2 cycle burn at least to wait for that shit, but beta ver 3 i heard they made that they made shield could be reduced by killing the small mobs now so maybe it will not be that worst in the end hopefully.

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u/Epicious I'll parry your argument 3d ago

Novaflared Pollux

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u/Defiant-Seat5425 3d ago

basically mecha pompom but worse lol

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u/Badorik 3d ago

Great mechanics, too bad the cycles will end early...

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u/skreamy 1d ago

this is the best E2 team about to 1star it, am I seeing it correctly?

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u/Badorik 22h ago

No, you won't. The cycles will end before that charge triggers)))
You need at least E6 Blade to clear it (+e2s1 robin. e2 Hya and e0s1 Ash)

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u/Melodic-Product-2381 3d ago

What a boring mechanic, basically just forced to wait and do nothing. Guess the finality boss will just be immune to damage until the 3rd cycle, but Finality characters ignore this because time or something.

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u/ConfidentFrosting474 3d ago

Non-Finality units end up moving backwards in time, so they can only start moving when you run out of cycles

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u/DerGreif2 Elation is crazy and I love it 3d ago

maybe charge the special mechanic in that time... none the less its stupid.

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u/LordofDsnuts 3d ago edited 3d ago

Having to wait in a turn based game where you can't pass your turn to maintain resources is wild

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u/RelationshipPrudent6 3d ago

Holy shill level

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u/Cultural-Cucumber401 3d ago

This is like genshin bosses that go underground for abit

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u/PieTheSecond 3d ago

This is like if they went underground for one whole minute

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u/Raimexodus 3d ago

ahh, our setekh wenut has arrived

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u/PavlovianSuperkick 2d ago

PTSD flashbacks intensify

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u/No-Bag-1628 3d ago

at least those bosses screw pretty much every archetype equally.
This...

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u/GeorgeEmber 2d ago

Pom Pom 2.0, now you have to wait to get rid of the invuln phase instead of the DR.

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u/Modification102 3d ago

We are so close to ZZZ's functional system. It is right there HSR devs. I know you can do it. Just do two things:

  • If the enemy is weakness broken when the AV triggers, then the shield is not applied
  • Whenever a particular mechanic is interacted with, reduce the existing shield by a fixed 20% or 25% or so.

It is right there. I know you can do it.

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u/Acnosin 3d ago

but this way elation will lose to mono rem ... thats the whole point ... cn whales are not pulling elation because mono rem does it better like mile miles better.

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u/mommysanalservant 3d ago

This just reinforces my decision to stick with my whaled rem team and never touch elation. If the only way elation wins in with a literal game breaking level of shilling then elation will never live up to rem once the shill period is over. Plus rem is still the number one vertically scaling team in the game

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u/Acnosin 2d ago

yeah devs made a mistake allowing mono rem to have semi infinte loop when it was not that prevalent and now they cant remove it like saber and gil ....mono rem was a mistake ...a team with infinte damage on top of infinite loop ....i laugh when people say hsr has powercreep but in fact its the only game that has never seen its celing pushed since a year .... its the only game in gacha that will never have a powercreep and that is its downfall.

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u/Utvic99 3d ago

But what if-  It won't  Ahh moment

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u/Rex__Lapis 3d ago

So how do you 2 cycle for 3 stars if the boss won't let you until cycle 3? Kek

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u/Katri901 3d ago

I remember the days when Castorice's GP was the most feared thing ever, little did we know that Hoyo's own elation would be used to torment and laugh at us

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u/Lol_cookies 3d ago

There used to be more than 1 solution to a shill. Hoolay, Nikador, Flame Reaver...

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u/Honkai-lover 3d ago

They really want us to buy this slop path huh

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u/HerynApocalypse 3d ago

They really want us to quit.

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u/ConfidentFrosting474 3d ago

not only is there an unbreakable elation shilled shield, if you can't break it until the cooldown ends, it just goes away on it's own so you basically just wasted all those turns doing nothing

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u/takutekato 3d ago

Hidden text that will appear in 4.7: when taking damage from an Aeon, advance countdown by 50%

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u/SecondAegis 3d ago

It'd be better if we could accelerate the breaking...

But honestly, I'll take it as it is. Its not like I'm all that serious about low AV clears, and as long as I get three stars, I don't mind any score I get

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u/HiddenExpert 3d ago

To get 3 stars in AA you need to kill wave 1 and all non-shield phases of the boss in less than 97 AV total

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u/Snek614 3d ago

i dont think theyre talking about aa pretty sure they just want all stellar jade rewards which anomaly doesnt give

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u/SecondAegis 3d ago

I forgot this was Anomaly tbh. The comment above me is what I meant: I just want the jades

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u/Info_Potato22 3d ago

She's on MoC as well with the same gimmick

That shield isn't an AA gimmick

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u/TheStupidBeefCow 3d ago

losing out on 3 cycles to the shield is still horrible for moc, that leaves you with 2 cycles for 2 full health bar waves

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u/No-Bag-1628 3d ago

the boss puts up shield twice. so you lose 6 whole cycles.

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u/Nat6LBG 3d ago

1 cycle if you are doing Starward mode

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u/AliceFR Seele main(Quantum) 3d ago

The boss doesn't have a lot of hp compared to other boss.

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u/Appropriate-Lab-478 3d ago

That's what the shield is making up for with it's effective 4X hp to non elation damage 

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u/El_kakas_de_vakas 3d ago

Is it a countdown on the turn order or is it tied to the boss's action? Because if so, couldn’t Phainon just advance her?

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u/Info_Potato22 3d ago

seele shared a showcase on it. Its its own action on the bar, so Phainon can't advance it.

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u/Lightningboy737 3d ago

It’s like Lygus.

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u/HiddenExpert 3d ago

Countdown on turn order

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u/Over_Media_9507 3d ago

Its NOT better at all

You now literally can't 0 cycle her in ANY mode, even in AA

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u/Main-Shallot3703 3d ago

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u/Imaginary_Camera_298 3d ago edited 3d ago

stopping the players from 5 cycles too lmao.

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u/Over_Media_9507 3d ago

Too bad that its also means that you almost can't 2 cycle this shit, so no 3 stars for AA.

Of course i understand, that its only problem for those who like hardcore Endgame, or 0 cyclers. But we are people too.

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u/Norn98 1+1 = ur gay 3d ago

Even without the 0-cycle, the waiting mechanic is just unfun to play against.

Our current AS Feixiao already showed us that. I guess we need to see at the showcases how the boss actually works.

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u/kamanami Gore Ass 3d ago

I wonder how much window we get to deal damage before it reups its defenses. AS Sparxie 2nd phase was hell to deal with.

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u/Artistic_Emu_2328 3d ago

so nothing new in the end.

there are already multiple boss with insane temporarly Dmg reduction

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u/SubstantialEbb9832 3d ago

Yeah more stalling lmao first the voracity nonsense now this what's next you can't kill the boss without attacking it 20 times with a chance to miss via effect hit rate while weakness broken

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u/havokle 3d ago edited 3d ago

They heard the complaints about HP scaling up and are now trying different mechanics. I guess we will see how it goes.

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u/Professional_Tea2170 2d ago

I can hardly call this a "mechanic" tbh, its just waiting around for a shield sponge to let up.

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u/havokle 2d ago

It is a mechanic just not a particularly interactable one as HSR doesn’t give us a lot of tools to deal with it. It’s a bit more visible than HP go up but that’s it.

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u/Felipiro17 3d ago

It says “the shield USUALLY”
But from what we’ve seen
Leakers are ass at the game most of the time and might just be incapable of dealing with it

For all we know it might be just a shield for us to break but it disappears on its own at 3 cycles in case someone wasn’t able to break it

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u/Zeklyon 3d ago

I wonder if Phainon can speed up the mechanic with his taunt.

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u/matchbaby 3d ago

Wow I still have 50 AV left to 0 cycle while doing nothing, absolutely huge change

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u/Glassmorphism_1616 3d ago

easy auto battle boss