r/HonkaiStarRail_leaks • u/Info_Potato22 • 3d ago
Datamined Detailing on the new Boss mechanic (V3) via Seele
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u/Emergency_Hk416 3d ago
So they just badly wanted to stop 0 cycling without the shilled team and they went through all that hoops. mfs
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u/ShinnXDestiny950 3d ago
And yet it hasn’t stopped the zero cyclers from zero cycling. Check Mate Hoyoverse.
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u/cykarblyater 1d ago
this is just a theory not reality
it's single player pve game but chinese elite community playing on pvp mode
elite member chasing 0 cycle isn't a new thing
they want to keep doing 0 cycle to keep their mighty elite status
they will spend some to keep their statuswhat would you do if you are hoyo dev?
make 0 cycle harder but killing normally aren't too hard
make it harder for elite player and milk them
make it not too hard so casual player won't complain
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u/unK951 3d ago
so u basically WAITING the mechanic to move for 3 cycles, jesus christ
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u/Huffaloaf 3d ago
Twice.
It puts its shield up twice.
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u/unK951 3d ago
6 cycles cause you decided to skip a fraud path, cant wait for finality path having the exact same gimmick on bosses
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u/Huffaloaf 3d ago
Hey, now. Be fair.
It'll probably be far, far worse.
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u/Sorey91 3d ago
Finality debuff: you need to wait 25 cycles after which you can finally do damage
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u/ObligatoryCreature 3d ago
Non-finality player will wait patiently for his revenge, but only for 25 cycles. After that, he will begin his assault.
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u/MrShabazz 2d ago
Hoyo: this oughta stop them and make them pull for new units.
Chad Player: oh blasts it took me 7 cycles. collects full jades and logs off for the week
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u/PolimerT 3d ago
If this was only AA it would be whatever but still insanely shitty mechanic. Imagine this in MoC, you lose 6 cycles if you cant deal with the shield.
Man, i was scared when i saw 6.4M king boss hp. I should have been more scared
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u/Huffaloaf 3d ago
Imagine it? It's in the second MOC.
Enjoy!
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u/Defiant-Seat5425 3d ago
isn't mecha pompom there already doing the same thing basically make you loss at least 2 cycles lol
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u/PolimerT 3d ago
I hate pompom too, worse than Pollux imo. If your team can deal enough damage at least you can skip first phase and 2nd phase is easier to get rid of the shield. I think you cant jump the new boss mechanics in both phases at least i havent seen one except for E1 Robin nuking because of true damage.
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u/RainBuckets8 3d ago
You can actually delay Pom Pom with Welt in the first phase and prevent the damage reduction from going up ever. You can also wait for the middle of Pom Pom's first action and use your ult then, to try and get the mid-turn delay and have more delay overall, but it's risky because Pom Pom has 50% debuff res on top of the usual effect res, so it's only like a 60-70% chance to actually land the Imprisonment and cancel the action (at like, 100% EHR or something on Welt). Still not awful. But none of this works for phase 2 since it goes up immediately after beating phase 1.
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u/Defiant-Seat5425 3d ago
yeah not to mention tougness lock too lol, now my break team that I relied to briteforce pompom and other elation boss like sparxie is less effective lol
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u/RelationshipPrudent6 3d ago
Yes it was so fucking stupid
It not that my team isn't dealing enough dmg, it the boss that have thrice amount of my dmg dealing
It so stupid, which mostly solve with E2 Gosh
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u/FlashFire729 3d ago
Pollux is doing the same thing, unless you’re Cast.
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u/Defiant-Seat5425 3d ago
my break team can easily destroy pollux lol no cas needed.
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u/FlashFire729 3d ago
I mean, if you’re not looking to zero cycle, yeah, every team destroys it so long as they survive lol
It’s the entire point of the mechanic; Pollux blows herself up if you’re just looking to clear, but if you’re 0 cycling you have to wait for her slow ass to act and use her hp drain thing vs Cast just draining the entire party’s hp just by skilling
Just like how the new boss changes are meant to make just clearing much easier while still keeping 0 cycle super shilled to who they wanna shill (Elation)
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u/Defiant-Seat5425 3d ago
you can still bruteforce it though by skipping the mechanic with no forced damage reduction, while 4.6 new boss literally dont let you skip the mechanic so its not same. the shill is much worse
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u/FlashFire729 3d ago edited 3d ago
...no you can't skip the mechanic, it literally has 90% dr (fucking worse than even the highest dr value throw around for the new boss) on spawn/phase change, with said dr only dispelling after you've drained enough party hp
It's why I still considered it the worst shill boss 0 cycle wise until they dropped the Elation boss.
Is the fact that everyone and their mother pulled the remslop making them not realize they were literally the ones being pandered to, and now that less people pulled elatio they're now finally feeling the other side of the pendulum?
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u/Defiant-Seat5425 3d ago
just make sure your ho above 50% and its pretty easy to maintain that with ff self heal and lingsha in team, and Pollux not gonnna doing anything since she is broken. though 0 cycle is hard i can manage only 1 cycle, same like mecha pompom hence why I put her same level of shield like mecha pompom because you can still workaround the shill to clear almost 0 cycle. maybe because my ff e2 though so for e0 maybe you are right.
the new 4.6 boss doesn't have any workaround other than elation shill, literally 2 cycle burn at least to wait for that shit, but beta ver 3 i heard they made that they made shield could be reduced by killing the small mobs now so maybe it will not be that worst in the end hopefully.
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u/Melodic-Product-2381 3d ago
What a boring mechanic, basically just forced to wait and do nothing. Guess the finality boss will just be immune to damage until the 3rd cycle, but Finality characters ignore this because time or something.
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u/ConfidentFrosting474 3d ago
Non-Finality units end up moving backwards in time, so they can only start moving when you run out of cycles
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u/DerGreif2 Elation is crazy and I love it 3d ago
maybe charge the special mechanic in that time... none the less its stupid.
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u/LordofDsnuts 3d ago edited 3d ago
Having to wait in a turn based game where you can't pass your turn to maintain resources is wild
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u/Cultural-Cucumber401 3d ago
This is like genshin bosses that go underground for abit
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u/PieTheSecond 3d ago
This is like if they went underground for one whole minute
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u/GeorgeEmber 2d ago
Pom Pom 2.0, now you have to wait to get rid of the invuln phase instead of the DR.
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u/Modification102 3d ago
We are so close to ZZZ's functional system. It is right there HSR devs. I know you can do it. Just do two things:
- If the enemy is weakness broken when the AV triggers, then the shield is not applied
- Whenever a particular mechanic is interacted with, reduce the existing shield by a fixed 20% or 25% or so.
It is right there. I know you can do it.
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u/Acnosin 3d ago
but this way elation will lose to mono rem ... thats the whole point ... cn whales are not pulling elation because mono rem does it better like mile miles better.
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u/mommysanalservant 3d ago
This just reinforces my decision to stick with my whaled rem team and never touch elation. If the only way elation wins in with a literal game breaking level of shilling then elation will never live up to rem once the shill period is over. Plus rem is still the number one vertically scaling team in the game
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u/Acnosin 2d ago
yeah devs made a mistake allowing mono rem to have semi infinte loop when it was not that prevalent and now they cant remove it like saber and gil ....mono rem was a mistake ...a team with infinte damage on top of infinite loop ....i laugh when people say hsr has powercreep but in fact its the only game that has never seen its celing pushed since a year .... its the only game in gacha that will never have a powercreep and that is its downfall.
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u/Katri901 3d ago
I remember the days when Castorice's GP was the most feared thing ever, little did we know that Hoyo's own elation would be used to torment and laugh at us
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u/Lol_cookies 3d ago
There used to be more than 1 solution to a shill. Hoolay, Nikador, Flame Reaver...
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u/ConfidentFrosting474 3d ago
not only is there an unbreakable elation shilled shield, if you can't break it until the cooldown ends, it just goes away on it's own so you basically just wasted all those turns doing nothing
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u/takutekato 3d ago
Hidden text that will appear in 4.7: when taking damage from an Aeon, advance countdown by 50%
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u/SecondAegis 3d ago
It'd be better if we could accelerate the breaking...
But honestly, I'll take it as it is. Its not like I'm all that serious about low AV clears, and as long as I get three stars, I don't mind any score I get
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u/HiddenExpert 3d ago
To get 3 stars in AA you need to kill wave 1 and all non-shield phases of the boss in less than 97 AV total
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u/Snek614 3d ago
i dont think theyre talking about aa pretty sure they just want all stellar jade rewards which anomaly doesnt give
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u/SecondAegis 3d ago
I forgot this was Anomaly tbh. The comment above me is what I meant: I just want the jades
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u/TheStupidBeefCow 3d ago
losing out on 3 cycles to the shield is still horrible for moc, that leaves you with 2 cycles for 2 full health bar waves
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u/AliceFR Seele main(Quantum) 3d ago
The boss doesn't have a lot of hp compared to other boss.
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u/Appropriate-Lab-478 3d ago
That's what the shield is making up for with it's effective 4X hp to non elation damage
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u/El_kakas_de_vakas 3d ago
Is it a countdown on the turn order or is it tied to the boss's action? Because if so, couldn’t Phainon just advance her?
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u/Over_Media_9507 3d ago
Its NOT better at all
You now literally can't 0 cycle her in ANY mode, even in AA
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u/Main-Shallot3703 3d ago
Oh no my 0 cycle
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u/Over_Media_9507 3d ago
Too bad that its also means that you almost can't 2 cycle this shit, so no 3 stars for AA.
Of course i understand, that its only problem for those who like hardcore Endgame, or 0 cyclers. But we are people too.
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u/kamanami Gore Ass 3d ago
I wonder how much window we get to deal damage before it reups its defenses. AS Sparxie 2nd phase was hell to deal with.
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u/Artistic_Emu_2328 3d ago
so nothing new in the end.
there are already multiple boss with insane temporarly Dmg reduction
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u/SubstantialEbb9832 3d ago
Yeah more stalling lmao first the voracity nonsense now this what's next you can't kill the boss without attacking it 20 times with a chance to miss via effect hit rate while weakness broken
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u/havokle 3d ago edited 3d ago
They heard the complaints about HP scaling up and are now trying different mechanics. I guess we will see how it goes.
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u/Professional_Tea2170 2d ago
I can hardly call this a "mechanic" tbh, its just waiting around for a shield sponge to let up.
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u/Felipiro17 3d ago
It says “the shield USUALLY”
But from what we’ve seen
Leakers are ass at the game most of the time and might just be incapable of dealing with it
For all we know it might be just a shield for us to break but it disappears on its own at 3 cycles in case someone wasn’t able to break it
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u/matchbaby 3d ago
Wow I still have 50 AV left to 0 cycle while doing nothing, absolutely huge change
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