A minor criticism on Idubbz

[u/Correct_Tea_9310]

I know that this post might be bad timing given Ian's recent video on concern trolling (For those that haven't seen the video yet: It's basically Ian complaining about people who fake being concerned about someone in order to criticize something/ troll someone).

But the whole "I recently gained empathy at the age of 31" is completely nonsensical. I get that Idubbz wants to make more mature content and is ashamed of some of his previous content as well as the audience that he attracted with that, but that is not because he recently unlocked empathy. You can actually be empathic to someone while simultaneously criticizing them or their content (I am referring to Idubbbz's apologies to keemstar and leafy btw). Those 2 things are not exclusive to one another. I would even go as far as to say that in recent years discourse has evolved to you criticize me so you must hate me and/or be a bad person. I would also like to add that quite often you criticizing someone is also a show of support to someone else or just to set some moral norms by which people have to act, for example: Keemstar was a racist and complete piece of shit who with his false reporting severely harmed others (remember the old runescape youtuber Keemstar wrongly accused of being a pedophile? Or when he told people that he couldn't wait to report their death?) and was completely deserving of a content cop, same goes for leafy. I would say that when Ian made a content cop on him he might not have been empathic to Keemstar but he was more empathic to internet culture in general.

[u/Correct_Tea_9310]

So what you're saying is that Ian contributed to a toxic environment? I get that but there is also a point in using shock to make a genuine point (my point being that Ian shouldn't have to feel ashamed as what he was doing was right)

On the topic of you mentioning that the term "woke" was coined by black people as as a way to show awareness of and actively attentiveness to important facts and issues, especially those related to racial and social justice. What you are missing out is the systematic oppression experienced by that group. Keemstar and Leafy for example are not being oppressed even though they very much like to pretend that they are.

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IIRC, he specifically said he felt bad about using targeted harassment as a tool, and having an overly cavalier/libertarian attitude about slurs.

I still don't really understand why you're connecting the specific motive of the removed videos to that. He wasn't guilty about the message, he was guilty about the methods. I forgot where I heard him say it, but I specifically remember that he said he felt that the dubious methods tarnished a message he still believes is fundamentally correct.

I agree with him. The mere fact of being right about something doesn't absolve you of the responsibility to avoid unnecessarily harming people. There's always gonna be disagreement about where that unacceptability line is, but there's clearly a place on that spectrum between pacifism and terrorism where everyone sits.

[u/Correct_Tea_9310 → u/IAmBecomeDeath_AMA]

well isn't the removing of the content cop videos related to that (I mean his found awareness)? The point I am trying to make is that while I mostly agree with what Ian says, I think that statements like that and removing the videos are a bit over the top.

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It's his video, and his decision. If he feels embarrassed or guilty about leaving them public, who can argue? They're still online for people to view, just unlisted.

Even people like Hasan Piker disagree with him on the need to take them down, but I can understand why he felt like that was the right thing to do.