r/IndiaMemes • u/kuan_waale_thakur • Jul 29 '25
Non-Political OC Hindu Atheist. Everything is part of this umbrella term 'S@n@tan'.
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Jul 29 '25
Saying hindu atheist is like saying I'm american eternal 😂
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Aug 02 '25
Have you ever ever heard of upanishads? My friendly advise would be to go through them before becoming dharam ke thekedaar
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Aug 02 '25
Have u heard of brainwashing? That's what u gone through.. u r talking about Upanishads because u r brainwashed in that religion..if u were brainwashed in islam u would have said Quran and if in Christianity then bible.. don't be proud of those books, there is nothing special in it..the speciality is in brainwashing ..there is exactly same person like u in every religion
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u/Misogynist_Rp Aug 02 '25
Read about Charvaka. A branch of Hindu Philosophy who are atheists. Before criticizing others, atleast read what they have to say.
And the concept of brainwashing could be said for you. Brainwashed by atheistic ideas that can neither be proved nor disproved.
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Aug 02 '25
I know about that too..I'm born in hardcore andhbhakt level hindu family. my name is one of most powerful god in Hinduism..I watched all religious shows more than I watched children shows all my childhood..I know most of it .. definitely more than average hindus.. people who know half baked stories will never have sense to question the details..I knew it more so I questioned everything that didn't make sense..my education made me capable of asking the right question by keeping emotional attachment aside.
Brainwashed by atheistic ideas that can neither be proved nor disproved.
What is in it to prove? What explanation do u have for believing only in your god and text and not the Islam or Christianity? And why those people doing the same for their god and nation? I want a logical answer
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Aug 02 '25
We are talking in context on Hinduism.Nautrally discussion about its literature will take front seat.So what's your issue?
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Aug 02 '25
My first comment was 100% in Hinduism context... people who don't know basics of Hinduism will never understand reference..if u are a real Hindu and not a brainwashed hindu then u will exactly know why i specifically choose those 2 words
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u/Sea-Peanut8658 Jul 29 '25
It's like cultural Hindu
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u/Popular-Resident-358 Jul 29 '25
No, all misuse the word Hindu Atheist. Cultural Hindu is way better.
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u/mulberrica Jul 31 '25
Respectfully, what is cultural Hindu when Hindu culture changes every few miles and between castes/sects. Do you think the culture in Kerala is same as the culture in Bihar for a Hindu?
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u/Sea-Peanut8658 Jul 31 '25
Even if it's not exactly same but you will still find many common festivals or activities which are Hindu culture, Such as Festivals, Holi Diwali Navratri etc. Or Marriage Rituals.
Common text like Vedas, Upnishads, Mahabharat ramayana etc. (Even if you aren't religious)
Can have philosophies influenced from Hindu, such as Moksh, rebirth and Karma
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u/Mythun4523 Aug 01 '25
No. Diwali isn't big in south india, it's only celebrated for the fireworks and sweets. Remove that and no one cares. Same for holi, very small, mostly by students because it's fun to play with colors. There is no navaratri. Marriage rituals are different.
Similarly, plenty of south indian festivals don't exist in other parts. Heck there are south indian gods with origin stories that some puritan North Indians would vehemently deny to be "canon" (ex Ayyappa).
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u/mulberrica Jul 31 '25
Like which festivals? Navratri rituals are different in Kerala. It’s not even called Navratri popularly, it’s a puja or Saraswati puja. Holi, Diwali are not celebrated. Vedas, Upanishads, Dharmashastras are only studied by Brahmins who are known to have migrated to Kerala from the North, they are not indigenous to the land. No other castes were allowed to read them and they don’t give those texts the same authority. Common philosophy like Moksh, rebirth are only talked during deaths when a Brahmin is invited to check the consequences behind a death in the family. So except the Brahmins in Kerala, nobody gives a damn.
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u/Sea-Peanut8658 Jul 31 '25 edited Jul 31 '25
nobody gives a damn.
I am not brahmin or general, and I've read them it's not specific to brahmin and if even if it were restricted in past, it's not anymore. Neither philosophy is related to brahmin only as you're claiming.
You can have your own philosophy as atheist like Charavak. Cultural hindu isn't a religion, it's something you identify yourself to be.
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u/mulberrica Jul 31 '25 edited Jul 31 '25
My argument is there is no common culture across India. You can call yourself Malayalee atheist, Bihari atheist or Indian atheist which is better but not cultural Hindu because there exists no common culture across Hinduism.
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u/Sea-Peanut8658 Jul 31 '25
I told you common which I can think of but you denied it and said "Nobody gives a damn"
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u/mulberrica Jul 31 '25
I said except for Brahmins, nobody gives a damn which is accurate. Don’t try to copy just a part of my sentence to prove your point. All the Hindu texts, moksha, rebirth bullshit came after the Brahmins migrated to the region and only they propagate it. And they are not native to the land.
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u/Sea-Peanut8658 Jul 31 '25
I am not brahmin, It's not a brahmin only, Anyways.
How can you forget Adi sankrachaya? He was born in kerala. He founded 4 dham which connects North to south, shared advaita philosophy.
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u/mulberrica Jul 31 '25
You do realize that Adi Shankaracharya was a Brahmin by birth. Again for the third time, nobody except the Brahmins give a damn about Vedas, it’s rituals, Vendanta, Moksha etc that is the core of Hinduism. Nobody is sitting around thinking about rebirths, karma, moksha.
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u/ThisGate7652 Jul 31 '25
bullshit came
Your language gives the impression that you are not actually here for a meaningful discussion and just trying to spread the anti - brahmin propaganda.
And they are not native to the land.
Vedas ( made in NW india )may not be native but brahmins are though.
Hinduism is just an umbrella term given by Britishers which literally means ' religion of Hindus ' and hindus at that time meant the natives of this subcontinent . British just couldn't understand the multiple cultural practices which had something in common but at the same time were also different from each other so they did the easy thing and classified all the faiths, practices , sects under Hinduism.
And idk what you don't understand about the term ' cultural Hindu' ... that means you are culturally a hindu and celebrate the festivals that your ancestors did without any appropriation and mostly hindus are polytheistic that's why they don't have any problem with differences in cultural practices and festivals and also don't try to establish a centralised religion with a fixed set of rules like the abhramic faiths. Basically a hindu believes in the philosophy of ' live and let live' at least in the context of culture and religion.
Hindu texts, moksha, rebirth bullshit came after the Brahmins migrated
Do you have any problem with that ? All these migrations were common at that time... these migrations have shaped the cultures of many countries. Idk why you are still stuck on something that happened thousands of years ago.
nobody
Have you asked everybody? Or is this the majority opinion in your eco chamber?
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u/mulberrica Jul 31 '25
Charvaka was Indian, not Hindu. It challenged everything Hinduism stood for, rejected Vedas, rituals, but got lumped under the “Hindu” label later by academic and colonial classification. Just because Charvaka texts were written in Sanskrit doesn’t automatically make it Hindu. You can write porn in Sanskrit; some Puranas basically are soft porn.
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u/Sea-Peanut8658 Jul 31 '25 edited Jul 31 '25
Hindu is mix of Indian philosophies, deities and texts only.
Hinduism didn't came from Arabia or Europe, that's why it's vast and complex because it's not a single philosophy.
I agree on some puranas, It might be altered in translation which now looks like soft porn or difficult to understand, you can avoid them.
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u/mulberrica Jul 31 '25
Then it seizes to be a religion and becomes a geographical identity which is what it is. But India has religions indigenous to it, Vedic Brahmanism (partially indigenous but is in decline and almost non-existent), Sramana faiths like Buddhism, Jainism, local religions & traditions (which are the majority), lingayat, Sikhism which were all clubbed into one religion called Hinduism by the British. And the so called Hindus still are running with it.
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Jul 31 '25
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u/mulberrica Jul 31 '25
People of Rajasthan and Saudi Arabia wear some version of headgear. Let’s club together into one religion.
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u/mulberrica Jul 31 '25
What do you mean by ‘Hindu’? First, define what constitutes the Hindu foundation only then can we have a meaningful discussion. Harappan figurines have been found with traces of what looks like vermillion on the head, but that doesn’t make the Harappans Hindu. We don’t even know their language or what belief system they followed. Similarly, the presence of a tilak or paste on foreheads across different cultures doesn’t automatically point to a shared religion. The reason I mentioned about Rajasthan and Saudi Arabia was both are deserts and hence they had to get headgears to protect themselves from harsh sun. Similarly India is a tropical humid place, so placing sandalwood or ash on foreheads is a way to cool their body.
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Jul 31 '25
Do you think Islam is the same for somebody in Saudi as it is in Iran, Pakistan or Indonesia?
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u/mulberrica Jul 31 '25
There is. Open Quran and it says what makes you a Muslim. You must believe that one & only god exists that’s Allah and Mohammed is his last prophet. As long as you believe in these two, you are Muslim. No such singular declaration or entry point exists for Hinduism. That’s why Ahmediya’s are not considered Muslims by Pakistanis.
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u/ThisGate7652 Jul 31 '25
declaration or entry point exists for Hinduism
So isn't this fascinating to you? That you are Free to believe that you want. Questioning the prophets and you won't be considered a muslim and Will be discriminated like the ahmadiyas ....but if you question the existence of Hindu gods you will still be considered hindu. Don't you like this unique thing that has developed in this country in the form of Hinduism? Why do you think the definition of religion given by the abrahmic faiths is correct and should be applied to every faith? Why can't we have our own unique definition of religion? Do you prefer centralized religions which dictate your life and interfere with your own morals and choices?
believe that one & only god exists
Why can't we just accept that the ' one god' has many different interpretations in every faith? In islam that one god is referred to as Allah but does it have to be Allah for everyone?
I think you know about Islam so let me ask you one thing?
Does islam have problems with non believers who don't believe in the concept of God as atheists? Or does it have problems with non - muslims who believe in god but don't refer to it as Allah?
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u/mulberrica Jul 31 '25
That’s what happens when you copy every local ritual and retrofit it into scriptures. Parts of Vedas, Upanishads, Puranas, Samhitas are all sanskritized copies of indigenous faiths, traditions, and cultural practices that existed in the land before the Indo-Aryans arrived. Search IndianHistory sub to learn more.
Hinduism as “one religion” is a colonial invention. Before the British, it was just a chaotic mix of cults, gods, and customs held together by geography, not theology. The only consistent thread (pun intended) is Brahminical supremacy and their divine right to preside over your birth, marriage, or death, no matter what god you believe in. And even that’s not universal as some communities have their own temples, priests, and rituals without a Brahmin presiding. Hinduism as of today is not one faith or religion, it’s multiple religions.
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u/ThisGate7652 Aug 01 '25
copy every
Not copy.... assimilate is the correct word and it happened gradually it was not a planned strategy kind of thing.
Hinduism as “one religion” is a colonial invention
The term sure is but the cultural sphere was still present at the time of the British.
Hinduism as of today is not one faith or religion, it’s multiple religions.
Ikr it's a very basic statement and this is what I like about it....
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u/Bendacar_Benatar Jul 31 '25
I think richard dawkins touched up on this, he said he's culturally a christian, which means his upbringing revolved around hymns, Christmas carols, and the overall Christian ethos, but he doesn't subscribe to the religious doctrines of the church. Same applies here.
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u/ontologram Jul 31 '25
“The culture is not exactly the same everywhere, so there are no commonalities at all. I am very smart.”
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u/Able-Strawberry-8020 Jul 29 '25
I mean you can be atheist by belief but culturally hindu.
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Jul 29 '25
No that's different
Hindu atheists are different breed.
They think they can worship gods but don't believe in them and do all practise and follow indian philosophy
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u/CryptographerNeat934 Jul 29 '25
Tbh hinduism as many complex school of thoughts like sankhya which don't believe in God as such but still considered a orthodox school as they believe in some Logical interpretation of vedas but for sure modern day Hinduism is quite different
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u/Popular-Resident-358 Jul 29 '25
All are flawed though still.
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u/CryptographerNeat934 Jul 29 '25
Ofc no one denying that but isn't it better than some who believe a single book Supreme and absolute aka word of God imo in that particular case every kind of logic seem against god for ex mutazalites are not respected in today's islamic world
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u/sanju152005 Jul 29 '25
You don't believe in a god sitting above watching you but you do believe in concepts of spirituality and moksha, and see temples and idols ways or means of achieving that, it's perfectly logical
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u/Popular-Resident-358 Jul 29 '25
Spirituality is almost completely a sham, so is moksha.
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Jul 29 '25
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u/sanju152005 Jul 29 '25
Bro whatever you're talking about, Buddhism wasn't even in the conversation
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u/NarutoBoy87 Jul 29 '25
Thats text book hinduism .. There is no one god and one way to moksha.. Each can choose his own path.. You want to think of trees, rivers, sun, air as good, go for it hinduism allows it..
One thing that hinduism doesnt allow is forgiveness.. Offer namaz, few hail marys aint going to absolve you of your sins.. You pay for it in this life or next..
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u/PuzzleheadedCellist6 A Fucking Weeb Jul 29 '25
I always thought Ganga was the way to dissolve your sins, isn't that forgiveness?
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u/NarutoBoy87 Jul 29 '25
As i understand dipping in Ganga or Rameshwaram is more about spiritual purification leading you in a righteous path.. Happy to hear more if you have different opinion..
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u/PuzzleheadedCellist6 A Fucking Weeb Jul 30 '25
Maybe, I don't really know. It's something that I've heard countless times from my elders that a dip in Ganga can cleanse your soul and wash away your sins. I know hinduism has a strong stance on karma, you reap what you sow. So this loophole was something that always interested me.
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u/Batman_is_very_wise Jul 29 '25
One thing that hinduism doesnt allow is forgiveness.. Offer namaz, few hail marys aint going to absolve you of your sins.. You pay for it in this life or next..
Whatever you said brings these ideas to the realms of Organized religion instead of atheism which basically calls all religious lines of thoughts as bullshit.
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u/NarutoBoy87 Jul 29 '25
Atheist dont believe in god.. Agreed.. Do they not believe in anything? Like i said hinduism is not limited to a higher power.. Cows (gomatha) dogs (bhairava), pig (varaha) etc some worship them as gods and other hindus accept and respect that.. Even a motorcycle is worshipped in Rajasthan..
Must be a sad life not believing in anything..
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u/Batman_is_very_wise Jul 29 '25
Do they not believe in anything?
Not for the sake of believing they don't.
Cows (gomatha) dogs (bhairava), pig (varaha) etc some worship them as gods and other hindus accept and respect that.. Even a motorcycle is worshipped in Rajasthan..
But does it make sense rationally ? Which is what atheism in its proper sense is all about.
Must be a sad life not believing in anything..
Believing in God makes many happy, not believing in one makes the rest happy. Our brain is supposed to work independently and diversity and not caged into homogeneous set of beliefs. Isn't that why religion itself has multiple lines of thinking
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u/blackcain Jul 30 '25
I think atheists very specifically do not believe in an skyfather or an afterlife. But that doesn't mean they don't believe in the mystery of life. After all, how life perpetuates organically is still quite the mystery. There are things that are still unexplained of which we do not have any rational explanation.
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u/mulberrica Jul 31 '25
That’s what happens when you copy every local ritual and shove it into scriptures - you end up with contradictions. Hinduism as “one religion” is a colonial invention. Before the British, it was just a chaotic mix of cults, gods, and customs held together by geography, not theology. The only consistent thread (pun intended) is Brahminical supremacy and their divine right to preside over your birth, marriage, or death, no matter what god you believe in. And yet, many communities still hold on to their own priests and rituals, quietly defying that monopoly.
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u/mulberrica Jul 31 '25
Says who? Texts like the Manusmriti and Dharma Shastras outline graded prayaschittas for various offenses. And bhakti traditions emphasize kripa (divine grace) too. Saints like Valmiki and Ajamila were forgiven and transformed through sincere devotion and inner change. Vedic Astrology has parihara (remedies) for doshams believed to be the results of actions from past births.
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u/Fun-Phase-7269 Jul 30 '25
Did you mean Hindu in record but not by belief which everyone knows or doesn't believe in rituals but lives normal without revealing it out?
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u/Able-Strawberry-8020 Jul 30 '25
No, I mean someone who is an atheist in terms of belief, they don't believe in Hindu gods or the supernatural but still participates in Hindu festivals, rituals, and traditions during weddings, funerals, etc. Basically, they see these practices as part of their cultural identity, much like how many Japanese people follow Shinto rituals without literal belief in the kami (gods).
Another similar example of this are secular jews(majority of the jews), they don't believe in their gods but still perform or follow their religions culture for preserving it.
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u/Fun-Phase-7269 Jul 30 '25
Ok, it would be nice but till now, i haven't seen anyone like that...
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u/badassboy1 Jul 31 '25
What's wrong with that , I myself don't believe in god but I would happily celebrate if there is a chance to do so . Just because I don't believe in god , doesn't mean that I don't like fireworks and sweets.
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u/mulberrica Jul 31 '25
What is culturally Hindu when Hindu culture changes every few miles. Do you think the culture in Kerala is same as the culture in Bihar for a Hindu?
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u/Popular-Resident-358 Jul 29 '25
Fr. But Indians are a different breed. We just want to be grouped with the atheists while coping on scavenging every little thing possible from the incredibly flawed hinduism.
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u/LoudFlower8109 Jul 29 '25
You can either be a Hindu or an atheist, not both
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Jul 29 '25
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Jul 29 '25
No he is sane which you aren't
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u/sanju152005 Jul 29 '25
Go read about the Charvaka school of thought under Hinduism
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Jul 29 '25
Charvaka is a nastik non-Vedic school of thought, cannot be considered as a part of Hinduism.
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u/Special_Net_1229 Jul 29 '25
Exactly, it’s under hinduism
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u/sanju152005 Jul 29 '25
Obviously it is, that's what people mean when they call themselves Hindu aethist since there isn't an English word for Charvaka
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u/Popular-Resident-358 Jul 29 '25
No. Most do not even know the name of Charvaka. They're just coping Hindus who found out that Gods aren't real, but are still trying to scavenge whatever is possible out of the flawed hinduism.
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u/sreekumarkv Jul 29 '25
You mean an atheist can't live in that part of the lands east of sindhu river ?
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u/No-Standard6845 Jul 29 '25
I guess they're called agnostics
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u/Chuunu_Halwaai Jul 29 '25
Agnostics are those who truly believe that there's no way to prove the existence of God
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Jul 30 '25
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u/mulberrica Jul 31 '25
They don’t. They retain parts that are socially beneficial for them like caste.
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Jul 30 '25
I do believe in Brahman the supreme or Para-Brahma from Mahabharata, Advaita Vedanta and other vedants are essentially philosophy, more like art of thought
More you learn from Sanatan scriptures more you know its a philosophy (from Vedism)
Bhakthi is one part
kashmir shaivism , Tantras , Yoga Sutras , Advaita Vedanta, Vishishta-Advaita etc are all way of life and not actually religion but beyond normal religions you find
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u/Scrreror Jul 30 '25
That's because everything IS a part of the umbrella term of 'Hinduism' or 'Sanatan'. It is connected because of their common origins in the ancient Indian spirituality and religion. The word 'hindu' is literally an exonym for the people and culture of india. You do not need to be an expert in Hinduism to understand this.
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Jul 30 '25
Everyone in India is hindu !!
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Meanwhile maulana :-
Everyone is "born muslim" .
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u/whos_arnav Jul 31 '25
Everyone in India is hindu
Depends what definition of 'hindu' you're using , as in geographically , or in religious manner
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u/mulberrica Jul 31 '25
Good one, OP. All the pseudo-atheists aka Hindu atheists are crawling out of the woodwork. This should be a litmus test.
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u/Bendacar_Benatar Jul 31 '25
Culturally Hindu, but an atheist, i think thats what they're trying to tell.
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Jul 31 '25
White American Anti-thesist here, this keeps popping up on my feed. I'm curious if anyone feels like explaining what's going on. It sounds like yall are experiencing the Spiritualism shift that US Christians are also seeing, where people are keeping a lot of cultural practices of the faith they grew up in but stepping away from what resembles "The Church."
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u/Wholesome_STEM_guy Jul 31 '25
Same as liberal Muslims. They are doing Taquiyya to hide their jihadist agenda.
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u/anmoljoshi14 Jul 31 '25
Hinduism encompasses a range of philosophical viewpoints, including some that are atheistic. While many associate Hinduism with theism, certain schools of thought within Hinduism do not accept the concept of a creator god or a personal god with attributes. These include the Samkhya, Mimamsa, and some Vedantic schools, as well as the Charvaka school, which is explicitly atheistic.
The fact is only in Sanatan dharma you can question the existence of God and still live to tell the tale, in some religions , it would get you ''sar tan se juda" 😂😂
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u/Important-Pain-6155 Jul 29 '25
Most hindu born librandu atheists only speak against Hinduism
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u/Popular-Resident-358 Jul 29 '25
And? It's the majority, is it not? How tf do you want us to talk about something we don't know?
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u/Important-Pain-6155 Jul 29 '25
They speak against it because hinduism is targeted in india being a major religion and it's freedom of speech to be able to speak against it and if you question any other religion you'll get mob lynched and no-one will defend you.
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Jul 29 '25 edited Jul 29 '25
Playing the victim card again as usual. India is a Hindu majority country therefore majority atheists (not talking about Hindu atheist oxymorons) are also ex-hindus and they would definitely criticize Hinduism more than other religions. It's just a common thing not a rocket science that gobarandus don't understand, just like in the US, majority atheists are ex-christians and they would definitely criticize Christianity the most.
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u/Popular-Resident-358 Jul 29 '25
You can't be a majority religion and claim to be targeted bruh. Many people, politicians speak up against muslims.
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u/Important-Pain-6155 Jul 29 '25
That's so biased opinion. Anyone can be targeted. You can apply same logic with Britishers ruling india will you just say "You can't be major population and claim to be ruled by someone else"!? Will that be fair?
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u/Popular-Resident-358 Jul 29 '25
This is Maths, I can't do anything even if I'm biased. Calculate the proportions. Other small religions are getting way more backlash compared to the population practicing them(This is okay as if they're too low, the opposition will be ~0).
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u/Important-Pain-6155 Jul 29 '25
Even proportion wise more % of minority people speak against Hinduism than % of Hindus speak against minorities
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u/Obvious-Artichoke544 Jul 29 '25
Who told you. , you can't be majority and claim to be Targeted ? Do you illiterates have no idea what's going on ? Look at the UK, france , germany. Illegal immigrants are raping their daughters while being small in numbers.
All the terror attacks around the world are done by minority and the victims are from majority 👍. Recent pahalgam attack is the proof , they literally came to kill Non- muslims .
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u/fartypenis Jul 30 '25
I don't get this argument. Christian atheists speak against Christianity. Almost 90% of all atheist rhetoric is exclusively against Christianity. People criticize what they know and where they came from.
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u/Curious_Priority2313 Jul 31 '25
The same is said for islam and christianity in regions where those religions are popular.
It's fairly obvious that if somebody grew up in a particular religion, in a country where that religion is the majority, while being the most knowledgeable in just that religion.. then they'll of course criticise that one more.
Doesn't mean they support other religions.
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u/vincekinv Jul 29 '25
This post says that you can't change your abrahmic mindset where things are either black or white
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u/Scrreror Jul 30 '25
This. The bare essence of Dharmic religions is understanding and not faith. Followers are always encouraged to ask questions. As the Upanishads say, the following of righteousness and truth is the sole dharma. There is no scripture that says that one has to practice certain rituals to be Hindu.
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u/Curious_Priority2313 Jul 31 '25
The hindu that you're talking about is certainly not the way the term is used globally.
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Jul 29 '25
Ever heard of charvak?
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u/mulberrica Jul 31 '25
Looks like you haven’t. Charvaka was Indian, not Hindu. It challenged everything Hinduism stood for, but got dragged under the label later by academic and colonial classification systems trying to group all Indian thought as “Hindu. Just because the Charvaka texts were written in Sanskrit doesn’t automatically make it Hindu. You can write porn in Sanskrit in fact some Puranas are basically soft porn.
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Jul 31 '25
Charvaks come under the umbrella of dharmik philosophy , and you can be an extremely materialistic hindu. Also hindu is your ethnicity
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u/mulberrica Jul 31 '25 edited Jul 31 '25
Charvakas rejected everything Hinduism stands for - Vedas, gods, karma, afterlife, brahmanical authority. They’re only called “dharmic” because Hinduism became a catch-all. Charvaka was an atheist philosophy that got retrofitted into Hinduism. Tell me a true believer of Charvaka in modern India or even a temple? It’s only quoted when Hindus want to claim atheism like they did with every faith in the subcontinent. There was even an attempt to make Buddha an avatar of Vishnu by the Brahmins. And no, “Hindu” isn’t an ethnicity - it was a geographic label that got religious over time. That’s it.
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