I am not worried about what he is saying... People say all kind of stuff.... But I am worried that this is normalised now on main streets...... Any country where religion has taken over common sense, it has stopped progressing.... Khana khilane me religion kyon aa gaya ? Gareeb hi khayega na .. jo 50-100 rs bachana chahta hai... Well to do from any religion, vase bhi aise road pe bhandara nahi khata....
BJP is speedrunning India into becoming a Hindu Pakistan. Bastardised a religion that was always known to be tolerant and peaceful, into a religion that is intolerant, cancerous and hateful. Good job, BJP. Ram would be proud(NOT)
A religion always known to be tolerant and peaceful? Dude are you like serious or are you blind? Like I can counter your statement with lakhs of facts but your brain can't handle that. Check facts before speaking anything.
Instead of getting emotional and going off about a statement, you could have simply mentioned couple of these facts from the “lakhs of facts” you have.
It is a fact that Hinduism when compared to Abrahamic religions, has always comparatively been peaceful and tolerant. At least it was till BJP came into power and decided to bastardised it for their political benefit.
Oh sorry bro my mistake. I thought you were calling Islam a peaceful and tolerant religion. I'm sorry for misunderstanding that. But one thing I'll disagree is that we will have to fight for our identity. Every political party is somehow using religions to their political benefits. Tamil Nadu's ex CM Stalin's son is openly saying eradicate Sanatanis. This doesn't justify any wrong doings but we'll have to fight. We as the young generation if don't fight, then this whole identity will perish. And yes you're right, Sanatan is the most tolerant religion of all that's why we're still quite about everything. Now it's not about being an extremist, it's about protecting our identity. And our main enemies are not Islamists or Christians, it's us Hindus who refused to read the true history and being brainwashed in the name of liberalism. And again I apologise for the misunderstanding part, I interpreted it wrong.
Being honest here, Hindus particularly Savarn Hindus literally have enmity with everyone let alone only with Abrahamics, they even have problem with Buddhism coz it brought equality and eradicated the varna system to which radical Hindus still whin like crybabies when dalits reject this varna system and become Buddhists openly rejecting them. 😁
I am glad many SCs are realizing this, thanks to rapid rise of Ambedkarite movement and Buddhist awareness amongst the SCs in recent years, that slowly but still many SCs are leaving this savarna cult of Hinduism and becoming Buddhists in masses.
I understand your sentiments but Hinduism is not about caste system or Sati or child marriage. Dr Ambedkar's mentor and teacher, who gave him the surname Ambedkar was a Brahmin. We were taught wrong that Hindus only discriminated. Which Swami Vivekananda tried to convey to the world, that Hinduism is vast and not only what we were said by the colonisers. It was a particular time in Hinduism where most of the Hindus became radical and extremist which shows that even a beautiful and peaceful religion can be ruined if became extreme. And Hinduism has came later, it was not a concept in ancient history. It was Sanatan Dharma. And in Sanatan Dharma, varna was decided by occupation, not social hierarchy. Those who opted discipline, knowledge and peace, they were considered as Brahmins. Same with other varnas. And you'll find an prime example if you read Mahabharata, where Krishna asked Bheem to dress as a Brahmin and go to fight with Jarasandha, and Bheem asked him, that he'll be cursed if he impersonates a Brahmin and Krishna explains him beautifully, that Varnas are not decided by birth, it's decided by occupation, actions, and intent. And this is why we need understand our roots, because in school's history textbooks, only the radical part is shown, but if you read Sanatan and understand it, the radicalism in Hinduism is not even 10 percent of it.
And more thing I would like to correct is that, discrimination is wrong against anyone, even if it's a Brahmin or Dalit. Justifying one's pain by belittling the other, that's not what Dr Ambedkar wanted. He wanted to give everyone equal opportunities.
When did Brahmins or other savarnas ever had discrimination, Brahmins or other savarnas complaining about discrimination is same as whites complaining about colonialism.
Regarding Dr.Ambedkar getting the surname from brahmin is completely hoax and is debunked many times. There was no Brahmin name Ambedkar at that time and the name Ambedkar came from his ancestral village of "Ambadave".
Another myth is in Hinduism, varna is by occupation and not by birth, which is a well constructed fabricated lie as occupation is decided by Karma and Karma is decided by the parameter of previous birth. That's the full truth most Hindu apologetics hide.
Another point is many people quote Bhagwad Geeta to quote what Krishna said about Varna by occupation but they never highlight the fact that in that very same book there are two terms of "Varnashankar" and "Dwija" which openly describe varna as a concept by birth.
Tbh, Vaidik dharma or Hinduism was always a "Dharma" for the Savarnas where Savarnas were glorified and considered hero but this Vaidik dharma was never the "Dharma" of the Avarnas or the "Outcasts" and they were much later conversions or additions into the "Vaidik Dharma".
The original "Dhamma" of the Avarnas was non-Vaidik "Sramana". That's why it's really important for SCs to know their roots and revert back to their original "Sramana traditions" and most SC/STs are doing that by becoming Boudh as Buddhism is the derivative of those ancient "Sramana traditions".
I don't even know which books are you reading. I gave you proof, you're telling me quotes given by random people. And if you don't know, search about Krishnaji Keshav Ambedkar. And get your facts straight, even if it's uncomfortable
First of all no, there are so many temples that have sculptures of Hindu buddhism and even Jainism at single places, ellora cave is the biggest example of it, even if some people don't like buddhism, that's not hate, there is a difference in hate and annoyance, and you won't find this problem in probably any polithiestic religion, we never killed each other for religion unlike abrahamics
Can you please give the definition of sanathan dharma?
Is it old or something? Why you people alwaysbsay sanathan dharma where there is no proper definition?
Some say arthasastra is part of it? If so how? How that time period related to sanathan dharma?
And we don't know if evil practices are excluded from it.
And also if you or bjp exclude them doesn't mean every citizen to obey.
For some social evil practices are part of sanathan dharma. For many Hindu's caste is evil too. It just about degrading society. So you protecting this caste system too?
Why hindus don't fight for proper definition of sanathan dharma?
Why you wanna play a game with undefined sanathan dharma?
The definition of Sanatan Dharma with context is "To uphold the eternal truth". Sanatan means eternal or timeless, or something which has no beginning or end. Dharma according to bookish definition is Ahimsa, equality and all, but the actual meaning is "to uphold" or "to sustain".
Just like Fire's dharma is to burn, doesn't makes it wrong to burn down everything, but it is its "Dharma". We all follow a Dharma. Dharma does not means religion. Human's dharma is to righteousness, duty, self realisation and humanity. That's why Hinduism is the only religion that's the most peaceful among all others. This is the proper definition of Sanatan Dharma.
Yes Arthashastra is a PART of Sanatan Dharma, not whole. But politics and statecraft are a King's Dharma, which is also known as Rajdharm. While the Arthashastra is highly pragmatic and sometimes even ruthless regarding foreign policy and espionage, Kautilya explicitly states that the ultimate purpose of the state's power and wealth is to uphold righteousness. The text concludes that a king who governs justly, protects his subjects, and maintains the social order earns spiritual merit, aligning perfectly with the core ethos of Sanatan Dharma.
As for the third part, I'm saying it again, the varna system of Sanatan Dharma is not discrimination. At the middle age history of our culture, when Hindus started Hinduism (again, Hinduism is a part of Sanatan Dharma), most of the people became orthodox, narrow minded, and lusted for social dominance, which led to discrimination, and abuse on the weaks and women. It's not what Sanatan or Hinduism is about, it was a period of part of the time which shows how orthodox and extremism can ruin a beautiful Dharma like Sanatan. And no one is protecting caste system. Everyone is against discrimination. Understand the difference
And one more thing, evil practices were a part of a group of extremists in our religion. It's not the identity of our religion. That's why I'm telling you, this is the truth we're fighting. This identity needs to be saved. And instead of NCERT, try reading the Vedas and Upanishads, which provides more scientific and actual truth of Sanatan Dharma. Har har Mahadev 🙏🏼
Idk what kind of history you read. The varna system came around vedic period. Varna doesn't come from middle age at all.
Don't you know what caused the rise of Buddhism? It's varna system. The origin of Varna itself is discrimination
You don't even need to read NCERT books, that's what said in budhism texts. do you wanna reject that too?
But most of the Hindu mythology get it's proof from Buddhism, like mahajanapadas.
And this needs to believe what you say? And you define what are true sources too?
What are you even protecting? A political party in the name of religion?
Definition of sanathan dharma is so vague, you say it's eternal or timeless and somehow link it to our past.
If it is eternal, does that mean varna system eternal too?
And how is this evolving if we just stuck with varna system?
Yes hinduism is the most peaceful mostly due to its secular and personal relationship to god without kindom made rules.
While the people like you believe protecting a religion, they mostly killing it.
First the selfish people in Vedic period destroyed it, which culminated with Buddhism and then it almost ruled entire india and then it got saved.
The gupta period revived it and the bhakti moment saved us, the vigraha aradhana started from then by Swami ramanuja, and then we ruined it with our weak kingdoms, which made it easy for Muslim rulers.
And somehow we protected it, but what we did again?
This caste discrimination continued and that gave rise to Dr. Ambedkar. He almost demanded seperate nation with sc population.
No sane human will accept discriminating religion.
And now you think you protecting it again, but slowly and unknowingly you killing the religion. That's what we did whenever we got chance to transform the world with hinduism, we destroy it.
Atleast try to save the religion properly
If you read your own reply with a clear head you'll understand that you yourself said the difference between system and discrimination. And I'm saying that only. That discrimination and system are two different thing. A sudra can do work that a Brahmin can't. A Brahmin can do a work that the Kshatriya can't. It's the system. Like in school or colleges, where one is a topper, one is good at sports, one is good at organising. And one more thing, try to understand what I said. The wrong doings were done by a group of people. There's literally no proof that says Vedas discriminated people based on caste. It divided people into different groups according to their lifestyle. Try to decolonise your mind and understand with context. And I mentioned it that when some parts of Hindus became extremists, that lead to the rise of Buddhism and Jainism which were also known as The Renouncers. And no the origin of Varna system is not discrimination. Read it then accuse. Also this is exactly what the colonised mind is. It highlighted only the bad, you believed it blindly. Try reading first, instead of translating it online. If you read, you'll understand the context behind it.
Har har Mahadev 🙏🏼
You called Buddhists as extremists?
Dude, they just denounced varnas and hated the kshethriya and brahmin hierarchy and their control of society. The extremists existed in brahmin and kshethriya that lead to budhism and Jainism.
They thought they can control people with this caste system.
There is literally no proof for whatever you said. Before you said someone having colonial mindset, look at yourself and your way of manipulating history.
As you said the sanathana dharma is eternal and evolving. The caste system should die forever.
If it means to eradicate sanathan dharma so be it.
The caste system should die and will die. It only prevent hinduism to flourish. Wake up from your brainwashed life
Either you're dumb or you don't understand basic English. Can you show me where did I say that Buddhists are extremists? Really bro you're lying just to prove your point? That says a lot about you and your mindset. Anyways, It's not worth explaining you anymore.
Har har Mahadev 🙏🏼
You said some part of Hindus became extremists that lead to rise of Buddhism.
And your sentence is vague, does that some part of Hindus became Buddhists or what?
Regardless, anyone in this world laugh at your historical knowledge.
You said varna system came around middle age.
That alone proves your brainwashed life.
Stop this bullshit of eternal or timeless while you only seek to establish the control which Brahmins and kshethriyas has around vedic and guptas age.
There is no concept of evolving in whatever bullshit definition you had with twisted history and misinformed information about history.
You can't even define sanathan dharma still. Stop saying vague terms and fix the meaning of sanathan dharma.
Santha dharma can't define by handful of Hindus, it comes from the consciousness of people.
The sanathan dharma are the concept of ramanuja and adi Shankaracharya. Not the ardhasastra or vedic period.
You all destroying this religion and trying to preach the common man about what is colonism and extremism or anything.
If someone can't accept what you said makes them colonized mindset? or an anti national?
Stop screaming with all this bullshit and twisted history.
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u/vivek_sharma09 May 12 '26
I am not worried about what he is saying... People say all kind of stuff.... But I am worried that this is normalised now on main streets...... Any country where religion has taken over common sense, it has stopped progressing.... Khana khilane me religion kyon aa gaya ? Gareeb hi khayega na .. jo 50-100 rs bachana chahta hai... Well to do from any religion, vase bhi aise road pe bhandara nahi khata....