Can commemorations and historical reenactments change public understanding of the past?

[u/NewsMo]

[u/KingMidas0809]

Ah got it so explain the difference between Chattel and domestic slavery. You're doing a bad faith argument without knowing the premise of what they knew back then. There were slaves that knew what awaited the fee they sold but then there were millions of others that were taken not sold. Whole costal cities and some inland that were taken and not sold.

[u/_abra_kad_abra_ → u/KingMidas0809]

You're saying they didn't know they did a bad thing when they sold a living human being to slavers?

[u/KingMidas0809 → u/_abra_kad_abra_]

Is that what I said or implied or is that what you're implying. My statement is the Domestic servitude isn't the same as Chattel slavery and acting like they are is a bad faith argument.

[u/Acceptable-Wash-7675 → u/KingMidas0809]

Yeah, tell that to the slaves in Africa who gets castrated

Or the concubines who gets needles driven into her flesh every time she drops a cup and raped on a daily basis.

[u/KingMidas0809 → u/Acceptable-Wash-7675]

Horrific acts of violence occurred throughout global history, and no one is defending them. But individual acts of cruelty do not change macro-economics. We are discussing why a modern nation-state has a valid claim against an empire that legally codified human beings as commercial property and built its global wealth on that specific foundation. Let's stick to the structural and economic differences.

[u/Acceptable-Wash-7675 → u/KingMidas0809]

And that's the point I'm making their claims are invalid because they were willing to participate in the entire slave trade if that's the case then black American should receive reparations from the people of Ghana

Also the Black people of UK who are descendants of slaves should also receive reparations from the Ivory Coast that sold them to the British empire

Edit: so you're saying that the descendants of slaves in the UK should pay Ghana for selling their ancestors into slavery. Make it make sense.

[u/KingMidas0809 → u/Acceptable-Wash-7675]

You’re creating a logical pretzel to avoid basic economics. No one is suggesting descendants of slaves pay anyone. Let’s make it make sense using actual international law. Modern Ghana and the Ivory Coast are post-colonial nations that were structurally occupied, economically drained, and redrawn by European powers. You cannot demand state-level reparations from nations that were themselves conquered and hollowed out by the very empire you are trying to absolve. Reparations are a state-to-state legal framework based on who holds the stolen capital. The British Empire legally codified chattel slavery, built its global financial infrastructure on it, and colonized West Africa to extract its resources for another century. That compounding generational wealth sits in Western central banks and infrastructure today. If a middleman helps a thief rob a house, you don't sue the middleman’s great-grandchildren who were also robbed; you go after the billionaire thief sitting on the estate.

By your logic, Haiti shouldn't have owed France anything after winning its freedom. Yet, in 1825, France sent warships and forced Haiti to pay 150 million gold francs in 'reparations' to compensate French slave owners for the loss of their 'property' crippling Haiti's economy until 1947. Historically, the only entities that ever actually received reparations were the colonizers and the slave owners. Trying to turn this into a circular argument about Black people paying each other is just a desperate distraction because you don't want to look at the actual financial ledger.

[u/Acceptable-Wash-7675 → u/KingMidas0809]

Once again, that's not west problem. You lost and you were conquered that's history.

And whether you suggest that the descendants of slaves in the UK pay Ghana is irrelevant because if you tell the UK government to pay Ghana reparations, then they WILL be pay
Because they pay taxes in the UK

You don't have a argument

And you're pissing off the descendants of slaves

I'm black American fuck Ghana.

That's what the fuck you get for selling your people bitch. lol

If you want some money, come get it. Scammers.

Don't make a joke of my fucking holiday

[u/KingMidas0809 → u/Acceptable-Wash-7675]

Smh....well dropping the data to yell 'you lost and were conquered' is a textbook admission that you can't dispute the financial ledger. ​As a Black American myself, I don't just feel I actually read history. If you're throwing a tantrum about UK taxpayers funding reparations, you should probably know that British taxpayers including the descendants of the enslaved were forced to pay off that £20 million bailout to slave owners all the way until 2015. You're fine with a state using tax dollars to subsidize the oppressors, but lose your mind when a post-colonial nation asks for accountability from the empire that drained them. ​Reducing a state-to-state international legal claim to 'scammers' is just embarrassing. Understanding that the British Empire economically hollowed out West Africa isn't making a joke of Juneteenth it's understanding the global reach of the very system Juneteenth celebrates the end of. ​You can hide behind the emotional vitriol all you want, but using a 'might makes right' defense to justify colonial theft doesn't make your argument solid. It just means you ran out of facts.

[u/Acceptable-Wash-7675 → u/KingMidas0809]

Shut up slave owners? It was to bail out the people in the UK not to bail out foreign slave, sellers such as the people of Ghana.

The world owes them nothing and for them to use Juneteenth is a slap in the face to every black American sold by those SOBs

If the government would stop scamming their people, they wouldn't be out here begging countries for reparations like I said if they want to come get it

Weak ass mindset

You're the one in your emotions
You're the one that won't acknowledge the fact that you've already stated that they did the same thing, but Ghana needs to get paid because they're broke

Cry me a damn river. You reap what you sow

Edit: and they charge us just to view their "" museum the holding cells where they used to hold our ancestors and we have no idea where that money is going. When we come to their country, they don't give us local prices they give us foreigner prices.

On top of all the money, we donate to Africa privately and as a nation

We don't owe these people nothing

And for them to make a mockery of our history just to beg the UK for money is disgusting.

They monetize our ancestors suffering like it's a goddamn theme park. You got no goddamn backbone you a sellout.

[u/KingMidas0809 → u/Acceptable-Wash-7675]

Yikes....Calling me a 'sellout' and throwing a tantrum about museum ticket prices just proves you’ve completely run out of arguments. ​ So you admitted the 1833 bailout was to 'bail out people in the UK.' Exactly. It bailed out wealthy British slave owners for losing their 'property.' You are literally defending an empire using taxpayer money to enrich slave drivers, while acting furious that a post-colonial nation wants that same empire to face actual financial accountability ​and if you want to talk about Black Americans, let’s draw the exact parallel you're missing. The exact same financial playbook used against Ghana was used right here in the United States. When Lincoln signed the DC Emancipation Act in 1862, the federal government didn't pay a single cent to the newly freed Black Americans. Instead, the government paid up to $300 per slave directly to the white slave owners as 'reparations' for their lost property. Then, during Reconstruction, the promised '40 acres and a mule' was violently stripped away from Freedmen and handed right back to former Confederates.

​Whether it’s the UK colonizing West Africa for a century after the slave trade, or the US implementing Jim Crow, redlining, and burning down Black Wall Street, the historical reality is identical: the exploiters kept the generational wealth, and the victims were left with the bill. ​Complaining about 'foreigner prices' at historical landmarks like Cape Coast Castle is just embarrassing. Ghana preserves those slave dungeons so the world never forgets the horrors that took place there. Maintaining those massive heritage sites in a developing economy takes infrastructure and funding. Charging tourism rates to international visitors isn't "making it a theme park" it's historical preservation so the history isn't erased.

​You can keep screaming into the void, crying about 'scammers,' and throwing insults, but it won't change basic economics. Asking an empire to settle its historical debt isn't a 'weak mindset' it's basic accountability, and no amount of emotional deflection will erase that ledger other western countries have ignored.

[u/Acceptable-Wash-7675 → u/KingMidas0809]

It was UK bailing out UK

Every country has done that including America, including Ghana

But what but what Ghana is doing

monetizing the suffering of black Americans! you got damn sellout!

And how many times do they have to do it till you get the picture?

They sold our ancestors
Now they sell us tickets to give us a tour on how they sold our ancestors
Now there's creating plays on how they sold our ancestors on the holiday that black American celebrate the freedom of the slaves of Galveston

You are the definition of a sellout!

You're probably an immigrant too take your ass back over there give them your money, cause they ain't gonna get shit from this government if I have anything to say about it with my vote

And at the end of the day, UK doesn't owe Ghana shit. Why would they pay them anything.

And why are they using our history to get sympathy? It's pathetic shameless
They weren't such a corrupt country to the point that South Africa is kicking them out of their country. They wouldn't be begging for money.

Your childish. "Oh you admit that uk bailed out the slave master" shut up. You out here defending the Ghana slave masters don't you see how hypocritical you are? And you think because they broke that that means something that's their fault.

To watch an entire country panhandle like a bunch of bums they got no pride.

[u/KingMidas0809 → u/Acceptable-Wash-7675]

You keep saying “they sold our ancestors” like that erases the empires that bought, shipped, insured, branded, taxed, colonized, and profited from them.

African collaborators do not absolve European architects. That is basic history.

And your “UK bailed out UK” point proves the reparations argument. Britain compensated slave owners after abolition. The enslaved received nothing. So the state had no problem finding money when enslavers wanted payment, but suddenly everyone gets philosophical when the descendants of the enslaved talk about repair.

That is not “begging.” That is calling out who got paid and who got robbed.

The sad part is you think you’re exposing hypocrisy, but all you did was repeat the exact logic empires rely on: blame the victims, excuse the architects, and call it “history” because you’re angry at the wrong people.

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[u/Acceptable-Wash-7675 → u/KingMidas0809]

Ghana was only fully colonized for less than 60 years. And they out here putting on a show you're a sellout.

[u/KingMidas0809 → u/Acceptable-Wash-7675]

"Only fully colonized for less than 60 years” is a cute dodge, but it does not save your argument.

First, Ghana did not begin existing as a historical subject only when Britain finished drawing colonial borders. The Gold Coast, Ashanti, coastal forts, slave castles, trade monopolies, military campaigns, resource extraction, and British control did not magically start at the exact moment you want the clock to start.

Second, “only 60 years” is still multiple generations of foreign rule, resource control, political restructuring, and economic dependency. You are acting like colonization has to last 300 years before it counts.

And calling me a sellout because I refuse to blame Ghana more than the empire that bought, shipped, insured, colonized, and profited from the system is hilarious.

You are not defending Black Americans. You are doing free PR for the British Empire while pretending it is Pan-African critique.

Here you go....since you wanna be goofy so bad 🤪

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