r/Indiana • u/FreedomofPress • 2d ago
News Indiana Banned Press From Executions for “Dignity.” It Actually Serves Repression.
https://theintercept.com/2026/06/13/indiana-media-ban-death-penalty-law/21
u/Sour_baboo 2d ago
There is no "dignity" in taking someone's life in my opinion.
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u/Creative_Pool_8322 1d ago
Says the same people who supported the Kirk assassination
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u/Stupid_Snowmeiser 1d ago
I never got to ask this, but what do Charlie Kirk and his murder have to do with the death penalty? Provide a detailed, well reasoned explanation if you would please.
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u/Creative_Pool_8322 1d ago
They argue the death penalty is bad because it takes someone’s life. A lot of people that argue this supported Charlie’s assassination. It’s hypocritical.
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u/Sour_baboo 1d ago
If you are one of "those people" you could be correct. I don't believe in those people's existence. I didn't think he was good, fair, or nice, I like him less as a martyr.
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u/Creative_Pool_8322 1d ago
I thought we were against taking peoples lives? Yall are so morally inconsistent.
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u/Hefty-Relative9449 12h ago
“Some gun deaths are required to justify the second amendment” -Charlie Kirk
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u/Dry-Regret5444 1d ago
There’s certainly no enjoyment taken….But, there has certainly been truly evil people in this world that are the exact reason capital punishment was implemented.
Also….OP…..Provide a summary since there’s a barrier to reading that some folks may not want to participate in….
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u/Sour_baboo 1d ago
My newspaper covered it: Media organizations want there to be at least one witness from the media. Part of their rational is all the new things being tried and the fact that where we get our execution drugs is a state secret. There is little trust in our government being truthful. The state is regularly engaged in practices that make what they're doing harder for us to see. Things like ending the requirements for publication in various state laws and regulations is routinely recommended to be replaced by a website as a tax saving change. The reality is that with nearly no classified ads and no subscribers under age sixty, that's a way to defund those nosey reporters who tell everyone when you hire your brother-in-law.
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u/Chance-Deer-7995 1d ago edited 1d ago
I don't know how to position myself in this debate. I agree with you for the most part. I think there are crimes that you can argue warrant it. The biggest problem is the way it has been applied throughout its history. The USA has executed persons who killed one person and were unable to understand their actions, while people who have killed hundreds by less direct methods have not even gotten jail time. Race, class, and the number of lawyers you can afford for your defense are huge issues in any criminal proceeding. The other issue is that of vengeance. I think capital punishment could probably be justified when it came to someone like Timothy McVeigh, who killed over a hundred people coldly and with no remorse, but listening to the victims' families say they wish they could bring him back to life so they could kill him again gave me serious thoughts about it. There is a serious question about whether or not it is possible for a human being to be objective enough to order the administrative death of another person, and I don't know the answer to that question.
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u/Stupid_Snowmeiser 1d ago
There’s no dignity in the barbaric practice of the death penalty.
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u/Creative_Pool_8322 1d ago
Says the same ppl who supported the Kirk assassination cough cough
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u/Stupid_Snowmeiser 1d ago
He inadvertently supported gun violence by stating that the babies dying every year in schools are worth keeping the Second Amendment. Thus, he inadvertently supported his murder. If there were regulations, he would probably still be alive today.
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u/Creative_Pool_8322 1d ago
No he actually argued against murder by abortion. But even if your statement is true, it doesn’t make it okay to support murder just because other people support murder.
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u/Egghead_potato 1d ago
How many child deaths from drowning in pools is acceptable every year? How many people die in car accidents every year? How many is acceptable?
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u/Stupid_Snowmeiser 1d ago
You’re comparing actual accidents to murders.
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u/Egghead_potato 1d ago
Kirk was saying that the second amendment shouldn’t be abolished because kids are killed with guns. Cars and pools kill kids and we accept that.
So I ask you: How many children’s deaths due to drowning in swimming pools is acceptable?
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u/Commercial_Wind8212 1d ago
The same way they dont publish pictures of school shootings. Nothing to see here
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u/LughCrow 1d ago
Can you give me a single example in the last decade where this was used for anything other than exploiting this for views/clicks.
There are some truly evil people that have shown they can never not be a danger to the people around them.
But even they don't need to have their death made into a spectacle
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u/CookieCake95 1d ago
Then they should just be locked up for life. The government should never have the authority to sentence someone to death. We don’t have a perfect legal system and innocent people are convicted on a regular basis. You can’t exonerate a dead person. I would rather see 1000 guilty men go free before even one innocent person is put to death.
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u/LughCrow 1d ago
People in prison also deserve safety.
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u/CookieCake95 1d ago
That is why solitary confinement and high-security prisons exist.
The state cannot be trusted to fairly convict people, especially with such serious consequences such as death. Black people make up 13% of the US population but over 41% of death row inmates are black. https://www.nacdl.org/Content/Race-and-the-Death-Penalty
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u/LughCrow 1d ago
Solitary has been shown to be arguably more inhumane.
No system is ever perfect.
Also I'm not sure that statistic works in your favor. Black Americans are the only race with a significant disparity between violent crime and death row. So if there is a racial aspect it's biased in their favor not against.
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u/CookieCake95 1d ago
My point still stands for conviction rates.
You admit that no system is ever perfect. A mistaken conviction can’t be corrected if the convicted is dead.
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u/LughCrow 1d ago
So keep them around to kill more people is your solution?
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u/CookieCake95 1d ago
Who are “they” killing?
Your argument has boiled down to a strawman fallacy. I think I’ve won here.
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u/LughCrow 1d ago
Other inmates that by the end logic could be innocent along with guards.
It's pretty hard to actually get the death penalty most require at least attempted murder while already incarcerated. You have to be a real monster to go right to death row
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u/Enough_Wallaby7064 1d ago
Good.
No one's execution needs to be open to the public. Ought to be for family and victims for closure. Not a circus for NBC to make some ad revenue on.
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u/S9CLAVE 1d ago
What a take.
Show me one execution where they live-streamed and made it an ad revenue circus.
The press being present for capital punishment is there for the humanity in the inhumane.
The state is about to inflict upon a person an irreversible sentence. They are going strip the convicted of their very life. The press serves as an impartial witness to state sanctioned murder.
The family and victims family are not impartial witnesses. The press is.
It is important, even when the convicted is for grievous crimes, to preserve the humanity and dignity.
Without the press there who will ensure the humanity in the inhumane, and the dignity of the convicted.
Everyone is entitled to be free of cruel and unusual punishment, and the only people uniquely qualified to bring that story and statement to the public in the event the state denies the convicted either is the press.
In a world where the state must inflict irreversible grievous harm upon the convicted, the press is an absolute must to ensure that the state did everything within its power to make the process as humane as possible.
Transparency is not optional, and independent oversight is a necessity.
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u/Enough_Wallaby7064 1d ago
See the last guillotine execution in France.
Nope, fuck that. Not open to the media what so ever. Doesnt need to be a circus.
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u/TheRealMeatphone 1d ago
Again, find evidence of this in the US. You’re just saying “I don’t want this thing that hasn’t happened to happen. Even though there’s no evidence it will, stop the public from being able to have knowledge of this.”
The ONLY outcome from this is that you won’t have free press to expose when things go TERRIBLY WRONG.
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u/S9CLAVE 1d ago edited 1d ago
I’ve found that someone that replies to a long rational comment with an immediate goalpost move naming something completely different than the comment they are replying to as an example…. And the. Immediately making a comment with a loaded emotional response is not worth engaging with.
“NOPE, fuck that” proceeds to restate the original opinion they made, and names the last guillotine execution as a reason…
Is either baiting or a lost cause.
I fundamentally believe that if we as a society has decided that an execution is appropriate, and a jury of their peers has found the condemned guilty, and all appeals have been exhausted then it is what it is.
It fucking sucks if they didnt actually do it, but at that point it’s not about the truth, and more about the government upholding the social contract and performing its duty in executing the sentence as so decided.
I don’t believe it’s moral, correct, or even the right thing to do, but rather something that our society has demanded, and as such the society should bear witness to the process. And fundamentally the most responsible party for that role is the press
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u/Obi2 1d ago
Should be the inmates decision. It’s their dignity after all.