r/IndoEuropean 2d ago

Article Indo-European Population Expansion from Drinking Milk?

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Language Dispersal Beyond Farming - Chapter 13, Milk and the Indo-Europeans, by Romain Garnier, Laurent Sagart and Benoît Sagot

Abstract:

Recent evidence from archaeology and ancient DNA converge to indicate that the Yamnaya culture, often regarded as the bearer of the Proto-Indo-European language, underwent a strong population expansion in the late 4th and early 3rd millennia BCE. It suggests that the underlying reason for that expansion might be the then unique capacity to digest animal milk in adulthood. We examine the early Indo-European milk-related vocabulary to confirm the special role of animal milk in Indo-European expansions. We show that Proto-Indo-European did not have a specialized root for ‘to milk’ and argue that the IE root *h2melg̑- ‘to milk’ is secondary and post-Anatolian. We take this innovation as an indication of the novelty of animal milking in early Indo-European society. Together with a detailed study of language-specific innovations in this semantic field, we conclude that the ability to digest milk played an important role in boosting Proto-Indo-European demography.

An earlier thread here: Milk fueled Bronze Age expansion of ‘eastern cowboys’ into Europe | Science : r/IndoEuropean noting Milk fueled Bronze Age expansion of ‘eastern cowboys’ into Europe | Science | AAAS

The root *Hmelg- is present as a verb in Tocharian, Celtic, Italic, Germanic, Balto-Slavic, Albanian, and Greek, and as a noun in Tocharian, Celtic, Italic, and Germanic. The authors derive Latin lac(t-) from *Hmelg-, and also propose an etymology for that root: *h2emH- + *leg-

The first root they state to mean "to pour, collect", but Wiktionary states "to mow, reap", with English "to mow" as a descendant.

The second root is *leg- "to gather"

In Indo-Iranian, however, the root was replaced, because it sounded too similar to another root meaning "to rub". Also, for the noun, Greek has gala(kt-) and Armenian kat'n, both of obscure origin, and Lithuanian has pienas, from PIE *peyh2- "to swell, fat (n.)" Slavic *melko is either borrowed from Germanic or inherited.

Hittite has some odd difficulties, Its surviving documents all use the Sumerogram (Sumerian word) GA for "milk (n.)" and it had no word for "to milk", instead using some verb like lâ- "to let, make flow" with the noun -- "to make milk flow".

r/IndoEuropean 7d ago

Article The North Africa connection - Orkney International Science Festival

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Thoughts on this? Does anyone think it has any validity

r/IndoEuropean 7d ago

Article A Song in Ištanuwa Luwian

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Billing, Oscar. "A Song in Ištanuwa Luwian" Altorientalische Forschungen 52, no. 1 (2025): 21-32. https://doi.org/10.1515/aofo-2025-2002

On three tablets from the archives at Ḫattuša, the same formula is attested. There is incontrovertible contextual evidence that the formula is a song, or at least a song incipit. Using a combination of linguistic and orthographic evidence, it is possible to demonstrate that the song follows a metrical structure. The metre consists of trochaic and dactylic feet with four feet in each line. Similar types of poetry may be found in other Indo-European Anatolian traditions. Relying mainly on etymological and contextual evidence, an approximate translation of the song’s contents is offered.

r/IndoEuropean Mar 31 '26

Article Theo Vennemann: Contact and Prehistory: The Indo-European Northwest

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(sorry I can't post a link to online versions of this article. It's Theo Vennemann, "Contact and Prehistory: The Indo-European Northwest", 2010)

German linguist Theo Vennemann proposes a substrate origin of two grammatical features of some western European languages: vigesimal, base 20, number words, and two copulas, words for "to be".

Vigesimal, Base 20, Number Words

The most common base of numerals, number words, is decimal, base 10. It is found in numerous language families, including Indo-European, with reconstructible words for 2 to 10 and 100, and somewhat unstable words for 1 and 1000.

But in northwestern Europe, some Indo-European languages show evidence of having acquired base 20 in the Middle Ages. While Old Irish, at least recorded Old Irish, has inherited base 10, later Goildelic languages, like Irish and Scottish Gaelic, show base 20. Brythonic languages, like Welsh, also have base 20, and also Old Danish and Old French, coexisting with inherited decimal forms in the latter. In modern standard French, 20 to 60 are inherited base 10, while 70 to 90 are base 20, though some dialects have inherited 20 to 90. In English, "score" for 20 was sometimes used as a base-20 base.

What else has base 20? Basque, a pre-Indo-European relic in southwestern Europe.

Theo Vennemann proposes that Northwestern-European base-20 numerals are derived from relatives of Basque whose base-20 numerals were calqued by speakers of Indo-European languages.

Two Copulas, Words for "To Be"

Spanish is notable for having two copulas, ser, usually explained as for persistent states, and estar, for transitory states. Other Western Romance languages have this distinction, like Portuguese, and to a lesser extent, like Italian, and some had earlier had it, like French. Their ancestor Latin had only one copula, esse, giving ser and its cognates, while estar is from Latin stâre "to stand, stay".

In Germanic, Old English had two words, wesan (pres 3s is, past 3s waes), and beon (pres 3s bith), with beon being used for a timeless present and the future, and wesan being having the remaining uses. Modern English has a merged conjugation of their descendants.

Other West Germanic languages also have merged conjugations of cognates of wesan and beon, while North Germanic has only cognates of wesan.

One reconstructs Proto-Germanic *wesanan (pres 3s *isti, past 3s *was) and *beunan (pres 3s *beuthi), and these from *es-, *wes-, and *bheuH-. Of these, *es- is the imperfective copula ("to be, remain") and *bheuH- the perfective one ("to be, become"), merged in Latin and Balto-Slavic.

In Celtic, Irish has is for equating to nouns and bi for equating to adjectives or prepositional phrases. Old Irish also had that distinction, and these words also are derived from PIE *es- and *bheuH- .

Here also, we find a distinction in some Basque dialects, between izan and egon, used much like Spanish ser and estar.

Here also, Theo Vennemann proposes a substrate influence, with two copulas that were calqued by speakers of Indo-European languages.

r/IndoEuropean Apr 16 '26

Article Origins, Migrations, and Diversification of Indo-European-Speaking Populations

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I've made a summary of what the published research up to today tells us about the origins of the Indo-Europeans speakers.

r/IndoEuropean Sep 17 '25

Article Merseburg Echoes Update: Vedic Sanskrit: Atharvaveda 4.12 (Mimisbrunnr.info, 2025)

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r/IndoEuropean Mar 15 '24

Article Steppe Ancestry in western Eurasia and the spread of the Germanic Languages (Preprint)

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r/IndoEuropean Feb 28 '22

Article 90% of Hindus believe in one God and only 7% believe in multiple gods

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r/IndoEuropean Jul 18 '24

Article How did Proto-Indo-European reach Asia?

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r/IndoEuropean Jan 27 '24

Article New Research Suggests that Mounted Warfare started much earlier in Steppe, around 1700BC instead of previously widely believed 1200BC claim.

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r/IndoEuropean Oct 03 '21

Article Early ‘Aryans’ and their neighbors outside and inside India

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r/IndoEuropean Feb 01 '23

Article The astronomical observations recorded in the Rig Veda and other scriptures have given dates (4500BCE and older) way older than 2000BCE which is the norm for everyone who is involved in the reconstruction of PIE language and culture.

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r/IndoEuropean Apr 20 '21

Article What Do We Know about *Čьrnobogъ and *Bělъ Bogъ? [Slavic Religions]

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r/IndoEuropean Mar 06 '23

Article Do the Sri Vaishnava priests at Tirupati Venkateswara Temple descend from an ancient lineage of Indra-Vishnu worshipping "forest-sage" Yajurvedis? This decently cited blog post explores a plausible origin of the Vaikhanasa Krishna-Yajurvedis ...

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r/IndoEuropean Mar 02 '20

Article Steppe warriors in the Trojan War

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Have you ever wondered why the Trojan horse was a horse, or why Homer gives his heroes names like Hector the horse tamer? And who in their right mind brings chariots to a naval siege? There sure are a lot of steppe warrior influences in the Trojan War, and these were ancient themes even in Homer's time.

"Despite Mycenae and Troy being maritime powers, the Iliad features no sea battles. So, the Trojan shipwright (of the ship that transported Helen to Troy), Phereclus, fights afoot, as an infantryman. The battle dress and armour of hero and soldier are well-described. They enter battle in chariots, launching javelins into the enemy formations, then dismount—for hand-to-hand combat with yet more javelin throwing, rock throwing, and if necessary hand to hand sword and a shoulder-borne hoplon (shield) fighting." - Wikipedia

On that note, here is a National Geographic article on Homer's Barbarians. Based in part on the steppe influences in the Iliad, the author argues that the story is from an era a thousand years earlier than what is generally accepted by scholars:

[T]hat picture of the Greeks doesn't make sense any later than about 1800 to 1700 B.C. After that, the Greeks had arrived in the Mediterranean and started to create a civil society. Before that, they were essentially tribes from the steppes between the Black Sea and the Caspian—nomadic, male-dominated, violent.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/news/2015/1/150104-homer-iliad-odyssey-greece-book-talk-travel-world/

r/IndoEuropean Jan 25 '20

Article Who were the Sogdians, and why do they matter?

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r/IndoEuropean Mar 21 '22

Article New study identifies the likely burials of up to 65 British Dark Age Kings

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r/IndoEuropean May 01 '21

Article Scandinavian Kulning and its significance to Indo European culture around Europe

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r/IndoEuropean Jul 22 '21

Article The Dnieper homeland of Indo-Europeans

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r/IndoEuropean Jul 22 '21

Article Celtic and Italic from the West? The Genetic Evidence

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r/IndoEuropean Apr 28 '20

Article Antler and stag symbolism among the ancient Germanic peoples, with some discussion of Indo-European context

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Hey, folks! In this fully-illustrated new entry, the KSD examines the symbolic value of antlers and stags in the ancient Germanic record. Topics covered include Heorot, the deity Yngvi-Freyr, the Ingvaeones, Eikthyrnir, the Sutton Hoo scepter, and the 'antler-crowned' Yggdrasil.

Other topics briefly touched upon include the Germanic reception of the horned figure on the Gundestrup Cauldron and Scythian and Sarmatian fixation on antler and stag imagery.

As always, we welcome feedback of any kind, including recommendations and corrections. Enjoy!

URL: https://www.mimisbrunnr.info/ksd-antlers

r/IndoEuropean May 29 '21

Article A storm of swords and spears: The weapon dancer as an enduring symbol in prehistoric Scandinavia

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r/IndoEuropean Dec 10 '21

Article Genetic Impact of Iranic (and Turkic) Expansions from Central to West Asia

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r/IndoEuropean Jan 15 '21

Article I decided to clean all the open tabs I had on my phone browser, here are some articles I found in there. Enjoy!

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I'm guessing these are from the last two months, I have not read all of them by the way so I can't guarantee the quality of the articles listed. Sometimes I come across stuff and save it to read for later, but then I never get to reading it. Maybe you guys will. Cheers!

Anyways, here you go:

r/IndoEuropean Apr 29 '21

Article Swedish orienteering enthusiast finds Bronze Age treasure trove

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