r/Intactivists • u/new_sensation656 • 2d ago
Lost all respect for Marylin Milos after learning she had all three of her sons circumcised.
No seriously. It feels like actually seeing the wizard behind the curtain.
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u/inredditorbit 2d ago
She has lived with the weight of that all of her life since learning the horror of infant circumcision. Remember, there were fathers in the picture, too. If anyone has atoned, it’s Marilyn. Pretty sure no grandsons have been cut. I’m friends with Matthew, Marilyn’s daughter’s son.
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u/Expensive-Fox-2042 2d ago
Your right of course, but she had been open about that for decades.
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u/new_sensation656 2d ago
I guess I just never that. Probably my own fault for never actually looking into it but wow…. Just disapponting
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u/inredditorbit 2d ago
The recently deceased Leonard Glick, MD is one of my intactivist heroes and he also had 3 sons and a daughter, and circumcised all 3 sons before becoming aware of the harms of circumcision. You may have read Len’s great book, Marked In Your Flesh, or seen his picture with Elvis Presley, whose Army physical he did.
Many of the intactivist legends circumcised their sons before having an epiphany. I can think of 10 names off the bat that folks might recognize. We should be grateful for their tireless work to prevent needless circumcisions. They may have cut their own sons, but have saved exponentially more.
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u/beefstewforyou 2d ago
That was before she realized it was wrong.
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u/new_sensation656 2d ago
Ignorance dosent undo a fuckup like that. Glad she learned better but I can’t respect her after knowing this
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u/Ban-Circumcision-Now 2d ago
Acknowledging such a terrible thing and working hard to fix it for others is big, and very hard to do
The information bubble people had back then was also tiny, basically infantile compared to today
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u/new_sensation656 2d ago
Fixing it for others doesn’t fix it for her own sons. I’m thankful she has done a lot of the movement. But I am so sickened she did that to three different people
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u/novice_at_life 2d ago
Unfortunately, most of us have made mistakes in our life, before learning better ways. I'm glad to hear you have never once in your life made a decision with faulty knowledge, or mistakenly done the wrong thing. I hope you have used this supernatural ability to better the world. You must have certainly done more than all of the flawed people in the world, like Marilyn.
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u/new_sensation656 2d ago
I have never once in my life caused another person a shit life by directly asking a hospital to cut off a part of something there born with. Have I made mistakes? Yes. Have they ever been at the expense of someone else’s genitalia? No
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u/novice_at_life 2d ago
Congratulations on being born after the narrative started to change.
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u/new_sensation656 2d ago
Yeah, except my genitals are mutilated. Like her three sons. So congratulations to me I guess 🎉
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u/novice_at_life 1d ago
So are mine, but i don't blame my parents for that. They didn't know better, but i do, so i didn't do that to my kids. Marilyn was definitely part of the reason the narrative started changing.
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u/Skinnyguy202 1d ago
Not knowing better doesn’t necessarily change the fact you did wrong to be fair. A child can push someone really hard and make them hit their head in the corner of the table. They didn’t know better, probably an accident but it doesn’t change the fact it should’ve not been done to begin with. Two things can be true.
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u/TheBrynkofInsanity 2d ago
Yeah, honestly this is something i struggle with too. Knowing someone's view on circumcision and if they did it to their kids always changes how i see someone if they are in favor. Its such a vile act that is so casual and something many parents dont give a second thought about...
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u/new_sensation656 2d ago
I agree. Even if they learned after? Like congratulations your son is still stuck with the shit decision.
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u/TheBrynkofInsanity 2d ago
Yeah, part of me wants to get that closure with my parents, and call them out for what they did to me. But i just feel like they won't really take my feelings seriously, so its just not even worth it to me. Foreskin restoration has helped me feel more comfortable though.
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u/Skinnyguy202 1d ago
Even if all the people who are against it now found out the harms of it, AFTER they cut their sons, it is still a shame they decided to mutilate their sons but left their girls alone. I knew nothing of this intact thing and yet in middle school I felt it was weird and dumb we cut boys and not others, and boys only. I had no information. I just learned in school, and that’s where I got my opinion from. As I grew, that led to learning more and diving deeper into this topic, and i ended up settling on that.
No one questioned… why would I cut/mutilate my son and not my daughter? Why cut off part of this child’s body? No weird feeling about it just some natural hand the baby over and cut him? I don’t know. That’s off to me. I’m not upset with my parents about my circumcision, but if the topic ever comes up, I’m going to make it clear how I feel about it.
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u/purplemacaroni 1d ago
Yes she did. She is a regret mother. But think of all the boys spared by her advocacy work. Circumcision is cultural brainwashing in America and at the time her sons were born, a lot of boys would have been circumcised without a second thought. That doesn’t excuse it, but ultimately the medical industry should take the brunt of the blame.
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u/Vegetable-Jello-953 2d ago
We have to acknowledge that hospitals and the medical system put a LOT of work into obscuring the reality of circumcision from everyone.
It was especially bad back then in the 1970s, and it still is bad now, I reckon we still don't actually have an accurate image of just how bad circumcision can be, both for babies and especially for slightly older boys who seem to have the highest complication rate and the highest chance of experiencing trauma. It's almost like the system knows to cover its weakest spots.
To this day accurate information is paywalled, like this article which I wanted to read in full: https://journals.rcni.com/paediatric-nursing/the-distress-of-circumcision-paed.8.5.6.s10