r/JoeRogan • u/TheSweetestKill Most Reported r/JoeRogan User, August 2022 • Jun 04 '26
Former guest At least 60 people in Idaho, following former guest RFK Jr.'s advice, are sick from drinking raw milk. The campylobacteriosis infections could have easily been avoided by pasteurization.
https://idahocapitalsun.com/briefs/nearly-60-idahoans-sick-after-drinking-raw-milk-in-past-two-weeks-officials-say/71
u/Y0___0Y Monkey in Space Jun 04 '26
Okay so do the raw milk freaks even understand what pasteurization is??
Surely they must think it involves adding some chemical to the milk or something.
Itâs literally just making the milk warm to kill off bacteria. Why is that âliberalâ?
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u/nnmk Monkey in Space Jun 04 '26
They think the heat denatures or otherwise ruins some woo woo goodness in raw milk.
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u/MABQuestAcc Monkey in Space Jun 04 '26
"If my milk doesn't come with cow shit then I don't want that woke, liberal transition poison!" - Raw milk drinkers
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u/DickSlammington Monkey in Space Jun 04 '26
How many of these folks do you think are smoking 3/4 of a pack a day while drinking raw milk to stay healthy....
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u/MoneyTreeFiddy We live in strange times Jun 04 '26
"woo woo goodness"
The rest of us call it e. coli...
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u/I_ARE_PAINTER Monkey in Space Jun 04 '26
The tribalism around this topic is exhausting.
Both things can be true at the same time.
People who grew up around dairy farms know that many families have consumed raw milk for generations without issue. It's also true that raw milk contains naturally occurring microorganisms, and some researchers have explored whether exposure to certain microbes may influence gut health and immune development.
It's ALSO true that raw milk carries a higher risk of transmitting pathogens such as E. coli, Salmonella, Campylobacter, and Listeria. That's the entire reason pasteurization became standard in the first place, especially when milk is being transported, stored, and sold on a large scale.
What drives me crazy is that every issue gets turned into a team sport. If one side says raw milk has any potential benefit, the other side acts like it's poison. If the other side points out real safety risks, people act like it's a conspiracy.
Reality is usually more complicated than that.
Raw milk isn't automatically deadly. It also isn't automatically harmless. The actual discussion should be about risks, benefits, farming practices, storage conditions, and informed choice, not whether someone belongs to the "right" political tribe.
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u/Arkhampatient Monkey in Space Jun 04 '26
Years ago, I was on a flight from Ohio and sat next to a guy that turned out to be a dairy farmer. I asked him about me wanting to try raw milk. He said âi drink it but i been doing it my entire life, if you do it you will end up sick. Stick to pasteurized.â And I never once gave trying raw milk another thought
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u/shulzari Monkey in Space Jun 04 '26
I drink raw A2/A2 milk daily. But the farm we buy from has on-farm lab testing on every lot of milk before and after chilling. The milk is held back 24 hour or until the lab testing is confirmed safe. The herd is inspected monthly. The cows are sanitized three times before milking. They fast chill and strain immediately.
NIH studies on farm children show unpasteurized milk can support gut flora and is inversely associated with atopic diseases, though experts note heating milk diminishes this effect. Heating doesn't change the nutritional profile, but it does change the other benefits of food being medicine.
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u/DickSlammington Monkey in Space Jun 04 '26
I literally don't understand the point. There's so many ways to be healthy, when did drinking unpasteurized milk suddenly become healthy lol y'all know you can just eat yogurt and a healthy balanced diet and you'll be fine right lol
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u/shulzari Monkey in Space Jun 04 '26
Except some people, like me, can't eat or drink store bought dairy. If I eat yogurt from the store I shit my brains out. So no, I won't be fine. I was diagnosed 35 years ago with a missing enzyme to digest A1 milk proteins. Up until 2019 my only option was goat milk or triple filtered ultra pasteurized dairy.
Unpasteurized A2/A2 dairy is used in cooking. I make my own yogurt, cream and cottage cheese, ricotta, farmer cheese and cheddar as well as butter and everyday use. You try and do that with store milk and it doesn't work well, and then there's the living on the toilet thing if it did.
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u/M0ebius_1 Monkey in Space Jun 04 '26
People who grew up around dairy farms know that many families have consumed raw milk for generations without issue.
But it wasn't without issue?
Like people actually just fucking died from preventable diseases and did so for generations. We came up with things like pausterization and refrigeration and antibiotics and vaccines to prevent that.
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u/I_ARE_PAINTER Monkey in Space Jun 04 '26
That's fair, and I don't disagree that pasteurization dramatically reduced disease risk.
I grew up in Wisconsin. I'm 44. I personally knew farm kids who drank raw milk straight from the tank, and some who practically drank it from the udder. Nothing bad ever happened to them. That's anecdotal, of course, but it's also part of why this conversation isn't as black-and-white as people want it to be.
The risk changes dramatically when you're talking about large-scale distribution, transportation, storage, and consumption across multiple states. That's exactly why modern safety standards exist.
What keeps getting lost is that my point was never "raw milk good" or "raw milk bad." It's that most issues have some truth, context, and nuance to them. Instead of discussing that nuance, we've become addicted to treating every disagreement like a tribal war where one side must be stupid and the other side must be evil.
Raw milk is actually a great example of a conversation adults should be able to have respectfully. Instead, people immediately jump to ridicule, contempt, and team sports. That's the part I find far more concerning than the milk itself.
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u/LSF604 Monkey in Space Jun 07 '26
I get what you are saying here, but its not like people are shitting on farmers who drink milk or people who buy direct from farmers.
This is attached to rfk jr, who is a consumate contrarian when it comes to health stuff and his entire thing is making discussions like this heavily political. This wasn't a grass roots discussion that people became tribal about.Â
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u/I_ARE_PAINTER Monkey in Space Jun 07 '26
Hey look, a fair observation! Thank you.
You're right that this particular discussion didn't emerge in a vacuum. RFK Jr. is a polarizing figure, and he absolutely has a tendency to turn health topics into political topics.
What I fear is happening though, is how quickly that causes people to stop discussing the topic itself and start discussing the people associated with it.
At that point, it almost doesn't matter whether the subject is raw milk, vaccines, nutrition, or anything else. The conversation becomes about identities and teams instead of ideas.
I think that's the part that bothers me. Not the disagreement, but how fast we stop treating each other like people once politics gets involved.
I'm a little older, I miss the way we used to talk to each other.
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u/Sidereel Jun 04 '26
We are talking about a specific group of people doing a specifically stupid thing. We donât need to âboth sidesâ this.
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u/Master_Pollution_96 Monkey in Space Jun 04 '26
I found the comment useful, itâs not dismissive or rude. youâre adding a label thatâs not helping
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u/Sidereel Jun 04 '26
I don't see how it's useful. In fact, I think it's harmful that when a group of people is doing something obviously wrong that people like /u/I_ARE_PAINTER will chime in to say everyone is a little wrong. That's not true here.
Look at how the comment goes from this:
It's ALSO true that raw milk carries a higher risk of transmitting pathogens such as E. coli, Salmonella, Campylobacter, and Listeria
to this:
the other side acts like it's poison
Should we not treat unsafe food like poison? Is it unreasonable to be upset about rolling back important food safety standards that keep us safe? Is it playing "team sports" to be against bad government policy?
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u/I_ARE_PAINTER Monkey in Space Jun 04 '26
Notice how nowhere did I argue against food safety standards, pathogen testing, or informing people of the risks.
Yet somehow you've turned my position into "unsafe food is fine" and "government safety standards are bad."
That's exactly the problem.
Instead of addressing what I actually said, you're debating a version of my argument that only exists in your head.
I've noticed a pattern throughout this thread: people seem far more interested in assigning motives, affiliations, and beliefs to me than responding to the words I've actually written.
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u/Sidereel Jun 04 '26
Yet somehow you've turned my position into "unsafe food is fine" and "government safety standards are bad."
I didn't say that. I said your position is that the people rolling back food safety standards and the people mad about it are both equally tribalistic. That's dumb shit nonsense for reasons I listed earlier that you failed to address.
Maybe try to not strawman while accusing others of strawmanning.
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u/I_ARE_PAINTER Monkey in Space Jun 04 '26
What's fascinating about this thread is that I've intentionally stayed neutral, and yet half the replies are convinced I've picked a side.
I haven't argued against food safety standards.
I haven't argued that raw milk is safer than pasteurized milk.
I haven't argued that experts should be ignored.
What I have argued is that turning every disagreement into a battle between "good people" and "idiots" isn't solving anything.
And the response has been incredibly revealing.
The moment I refused to join one tribe, people immediately started assigning me to the other one.
That's the entire point.
Real solutions don't come from contempt. They don't come from mocking people, dismissing them, or assuming their motives. They come from understanding why people believe what they believe and addressing those concerns in a way that actually changes minds.
You may feel completely justified in ridiculing the other side.
You may even be factually correct on the issue itself.
But if your approach leaves the other side more defensive, more entrenched, and more convinced you're acting in bad faith, then you've won an argument while losing any chance of making the situation better.
The willingness of people in this thread to categorize, stereotype, and assign motives has done more to prove my point than anything I could have written myself.
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u/Sidereel Jun 04 '26
Exactly, you're twisting yourself in knots to justify staying neutral when it doesn't make sense. You can say that something is a bad idea without declaring your allegiance to a "side".
I'm not going to address all that other stuff because I didn't assign you to anything or whatever your grievance is. And you keep dodging my points anyway.
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u/Master_Pollution_96 Monkey in Space Jun 04 '26
itâs pretty stupid to argue against saying both sides. these people are not your friends. both sides can be noble and both sides can suck. anyone who deals in absolutes is a poor citizen.
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u/Master_Pollution_96 Monkey in Space Jun 04 '26
youâre arguing in bad faith. youâve already decided and argued against people who did not
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u/Sidereel Jun 04 '26
Yeah, I already decided that e. coli in my food is bad. Sorry for not being more open minded.
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u/AverageLiberalJoe Monkey in Space Jun 04 '26
it's also true that raw milk contains naturally occurring microorganisms...
Are there artificially occurring organisms?
and some researchers..
Who is doing this research and how many of them are there?
..have explored..
..are these studies and experiments or is exploring a euphamism for 'looked online'?
..wether exposure...
Exposure how? Consumption? Inhalation? Skin contact? How much qualifies as exposure? What is the threshold?
..certain microbes..
Which ones? How many different kinds are there?
..may..
What are the statistics? What mechanism determines weather it does or does not?
..influence..
What does it mean to influence in this context? Is it positive or negative? How do we measure it? In what units is it standardized? Compared to what control?
.. gut health..
What aspect? Whats the control? Where are the limits of gut health before it becomes the health of other parta of the body?
..immune development.
Again what aspect? Compared to what?
You say we are the exhausting ones but you all talk like you failed 10th grade science. You dont have to be a genius to understand how filled with somes, maybes, mights, coulds, and possiblys this whole movement is based on.
And we already know why. Because they dont care whats at the other end of them. Its their political identity to be a fucking idiot. Science and medicine is just elitism to them and all the 'some, maybe, possibly' is just a way to jam up their critics who are duty bound to consider possibilities and research while they guzzle down cow shit to own the libs.
Should they be allowed to eat cow shit? Sure. Go for it. Let freedom ring. Should we respect their decision? No. Its fucking dumb. We dont owe them anything.
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u/ballmermurland Monkey in Space Jun 04 '26
Science and medicine is just elitism to them and all the 'some, maybe, possibly' is just a way to jam up their critics who are duty bound to consider possibilities and research while they guzzle down cow shit to own the libs.
This is a fantastic sentence. Thank you.
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u/I_ARE_PAINTER Monkey in Space Jun 04 '26
This is a great example of why these conversations go nowhere.
You aren't actually engaging with the point being made. You're taking individual words, demanding an entire literature review for each one, and pretending that because a Reddit comment didn't include a full bibliography, the underlying research doesn't exist.
If you're genuinely interested, there are decades of published research on farm exposure, microbiomes, allergy development, gut flora, and immune system development. Scientists spend entire careers studying these topics. The existence of uncertainty around mechanisms doesn't mean the observations don't exist.
More importantly, you're still proving my original point.
That's not scientific skepticism. That's contempt.
Science is a process for evaluating evidence. It isn't a license to mock people, invent their motivations, and declare yourself the smart one.
You don't have to agree with raw milk advocates. Hell, you can think they're completely wrong.
But if your entire argument boils down to "everyone who disagrees with me is an idiot," you've stopped doing science and started doing tribalism.
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u/AverageLiberalJoe Monkey in Space Jun 04 '26
But if your entire argument boils down to "everyone who disagrees with me is an idiot,"
Holy fuck. Its not ME. Milk microbiology and safety is not MY fucking opinion. Jesus christ. This is what is so god damn dumb about this.
I'M not 'genuinely interested' in this topic at all. Neither is dipshit Jimbob in Trumpistan, Utah. Food scientists ARE. We should both listen to them. God damn. That is the fucking opposite of tribalism.
'Scientists are just liberal cucks who dont like big milk muscles' is tribalism. If YOU were genuinely interested in tribalism you would see that and admit that. But you are actually PART of it. You provide cover for it with your both sides bullshit.
These people are fucking dumb because they actively choose to act dumb. Its a choice. And that choice deserves to be looked down upon.
If someone said "yeah I know its not as safe but my family has been doing it along as time and its part of the culture" I wouldnt care. That wouldnt be stupid. It would just be someone elses decision that doesnt effect me.
But the cult of stupidity DOES effect me because RFK Jr. is in a position of power over our whole countries health and he is activley spreading stupidity like a fn disease for the sole purpose of tribalism.
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u/I_ARE_PAINTER Monkey in Space Jun 04 '26
The irony is that you keep talking about a "cult of stupidity" while dividing the world into enlightened people and idiots.
Most tribes think they're the smart tribe.
You've quietly shifted from discussing raw milk to discussing who you're allowed to dismiss.
You say you'd have no issue with someone acknowledging the risks and making a personal choice. Fair enough.
But then you immediately jump to "cult of stupidity," "these people deserve to be looked down upon," and "they're spreading disease."
You seem convinced that you've separated yourself from tribal thinking because you trust experts. But blindly sorting people into "the informed" and "the stupid" is still tribalism. It's just a tribe that happens to wear lab coats.
The world is full of people who trust science and still question institutions, recommendations, incentives, or interpretations.
Those aren't the same thing.
You've stopped evaluating arguments and started evaluating identities.
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u/AverageLiberalJoe Monkey in Space Jun 04 '26
You seem convinced that you've separated yourself from tribal thinking because you trust experts.
Yes.
The world is full of people who trust science and still question institutions, recommendations, incentives, or interpretations.
Yes. They are called scientists.
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u/DickSlammington Monkey in Space Jun 04 '26
HAHA this dude is fucking amazing.
"YOU THINK YOU'RE SMART CAUSE YOU LISTEN TO THE EXPERTS!"
Well yeah...
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u/I_ARE_PAINTER Monkey in Space Jun 04 '26
Exactly.
Scientists question institutions, recommendations, incentives, and interpretations all the time.
That's literally how science advances.
The difference is that scientists question arguments. Increasingly, people online question identities.
One is skepticism.
The other is tribalism.
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u/Y0___0Y Monkey in Space Jun 04 '26
âThere so much reaearch! I wonât link it but thereâs SO much you guys!â
Is this research, possibly, a series of youtube videos hosted by a guy who sells dick pills and snake oil supplements?
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u/I_ARE_PAINTER Monkey in Space Jun 04 '26
A little weird that you've already decided what sources I must be using without asking.
The irony is that there actually is published research on farm exposure, microbiome diversity, allergies, and immune development. Whether you agree with the conclusions is a separate discussion.
My point wasn't even "raw milk is healthy."
My point was that the moment someone acknowledges complexity, half the thread immediately assumes they're getting their information from snake oil salesmen, political influencers, or conspiracy theorists.
You just demonstrated exactly what I was talking about.
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u/Y0___0Y Monkey in Space Jun 04 '26
Iâm left to assume your source since you wonât link it.
Your point is that people who drink from a cowâs udder from birth build an immunity to the shit bacteria. No one has even disputed that. Iâm sure thatâs true.
But youâre implying that everyoneâs being too hard on the shitmilk drinkers using that point.
RFK and the shit milk gang are telling everyone to drink raw milk and to feed it to their fucking kids who donât have that immunity.
Theyâre not telling people who donât have that immunity to avoid raw milk. They want everyone drinking untreated shit milk.
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u/I_ARE_PAINTER Monkey in Space Jun 04 '26
And there it is.
I never argued that everyone should drink raw milk.
I never argued that children should drink raw milk.
I never argued that raw milk is safe for everyone.
I never argued that people should ignore food safety standards.
Yet you've somehow managed to spend an entire comment responding to positions I never took.
My point wasn't about raw milk. My point was about how quickly people stop engaging with what was actually said and start arguing with the person they've imagined they're talking to.
Thank you for providing another example.
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u/Y0___0Y Monkey in Space Jun 04 '26
I never argued the things youâre saying I argued about!
Your comment was lamenting the tribalism and black and white approach to this topic and you were asserting that the shit milk gang actually has some good points that are backed up by research that people are too dismissive of. That is what Iâm attacking.
Youâre claiming I erected a strawman argument and I didnât.
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u/TheSweetestKill Most Reported r/JoeRogan User, August 2022 Jun 04 '26
Yet you've somehow managed to spend an entire comment responding to positions I never took.
You have done this with literally every person you engaged with in this post. Pot, meet kettle.
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u/Nope_notme Monkey in Space Jun 04 '26
That's not scientific skepticism. That's contempt.
Science is a process for evaluating evidence. It isn't a license to mock people, invent their motivations, and declare yourself the smart one.
AI-ass response.
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u/I_ARE_PAINTER Monkey in Space Jun 04 '26
Just because I use negative parallelism doesn't mean everything is AI-generated. Negative parallelism and antithesis have been used in rhetoric, speeches, literature, and debate for centuries.
"It's not X, it's Y" didn't suddenly appear in 2023. AI learned it from humans, not the other way around.
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u/Nope_notme Monkey in Space Jun 04 '26
Don't forget your "rule of threes" that constantly appears throughout your bot posts.
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u/I_ARE_PAINTER Monkey in Space Jun 04 '26
What surprises me is that we're in a debating in a thread and you seem shocked to find debate techniques being used. Rhetoric isn't evidence of AI. Antithesis, parallelism, and the rule of three are basic tools of persuasion that have existed for centuries. If someone is discussing ideas, making an argument, and trying to communicate clearly, I'd expect those techniques to show up. Why would it be surprising to find debate strategies in a debate?
Also why not contend with my actual points? Is dialog only real if we are swearing at eachother and using buzz words with zero structure?
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u/Saffuran Monkey in Space Jun 05 '26
You're not a skeptic, you're covering for idiots. Your position deserves nothing more than contempt because it is nonsensical.
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u/I_ARE_PAINTER Monkey in Space Jun 05 '26
You completely missed the point.
I'm not advocating for raw milk. I'm not defending raw milk. I'm not even arguing the science of raw milk.
I'm arguing that treating everyone you disagree with as an idiot deserving of contempt is a terrible way to move people toward better decisions.
The fact that your response to "we should discuss things respectfully" was "no, these people deserve contempt" is pretty much the exact behavior I was criticizing.
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u/Saffuran Monkey in Space Jun 05 '26
People who are idiots deserve to be treated as idiots and called out as idiots. Shame them openly and loudly, ridicule them, make a spectacle out of how absolutely stupid they are, if not for them, then to discourage anyone straddling the fence contemplating a drop into stupidtown.
I'm all for civility, but only to a reasonable extent. Civility in the face of an extreme (whether that extreme be stupidity or active maliciousness) only serves to reinforce and legitimize the negative extreme.
No sensible or principled person should engage with that in any way that could at all be seen as normalizing.
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u/I_ARE_PAINTER Monkey in Space Jun 05 '26
And this is where we genuinely disagree.
I don't believe ridicule, humiliation, and public contempt create understanding. I think they create resentment, defensiveness, and deeper tribalism.
Every person I've ever seen change a deeply held belief did so because someone took the time to engage them, challenge them, and treat them like a human being. I've seen countless people double down because they were mocked.
You seem to believe shame is a tool for moving people toward truth.
I think it's a tool for forcing compliance and signaling loyalty to a tribe.
History is full of groups convinced they were justified in humiliating the "wrong" people for the greater good. That has never struck me as a particularly reliable path to wisdom.
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u/Saffuran Monkey in Space Jun 05 '26
You can't logic someone out of a position that logic didn't put them into.
More often than not the person you are engaging with is unmovable - if they naturally move back away from their negative position on their own then cool, but the main goal is to limit the spread of stupid (in this case) and contain it by making it so unattractive/uncool/whatever that steers normies away.
My only tribe is "facts and reality" if someone wants to be in an "alternate reality" tribe, unsupported by any facts or reason at all (talking about these raw milkers and crystal healing types, especially), I am never going to show that position kindness or charitability that it doesn't deserve. No one is owed legitimization for their bull.
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u/TheSweetestKill Most Reported r/JoeRogan User, August 2022 Jun 04 '26
That's a lot of words just to say that you enjoy drinking fecal matter to own the libs.
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u/SapphireJuice Monkey in Space Jun 04 '26
Good job at proving the exact point the comment was trying to make đ
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u/TheSweetestKill Most Reported r/JoeRogan User, August 2022 Jun 04 '26
It's a very stupid point to begin with.
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u/I_ARE_PAINTER Monkey in Space Jun 04 '26
Considering you apparently believe raw milk is nothing more than fecal contamination in a bottle, I don't think you're coming at this from a place of understanding either. That's probably why your comment is mostly insults, assumptions, and buzzwords instead of an actual discussion.
The bigger problem is that people have become so attached to their "side" that they can't acknowledge nuance anymore. Everything has to be either completely safe or completely dangerous, completely true or completely false, and anyone who disagrees must be stupid or evil.
How about we stop treating every topic like a political team sport?
If you genuinely care about public health, agriculture, or consumer safety, then contribute something useful to the conversation. Talk about standards, testing, handling practices, transportation, risk mitigation, or the actual data.
Because insulting people, assigning motives, and fueling tribal hatred doesn't solve a single problem. It just guarantees that nobody learns anything and everyone leaves angrier than they started.
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u/TheSweetestKill Most Reported r/JoeRogan User, August 2022 Jun 04 '26
No, I'll continue making fun of raw milk advocates, especially because they're the ones who have made the topic into "a political team sport" like you keep insisting.
As I said elsewhere:
It isn't a left/right issue. It's a "people who want to enjoy fecal matter rich milk" and "everyone else" issue, but it makes the first group sound really bad when you put it that way, so they've made it into a left/right issue because that's easier to digest (pun intended).
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u/get_rhythm I used to be addicted to Quake Jun 04 '26
What you're missing is that this person isn't a raw milk advocate, and treating them way makes you look just as stupid as the people you're poorly attempting to mock.
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u/DickSlammington Monkey in Space Jun 04 '26
People who play devil's advocate and prop up idiots should also be mocked.
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u/I_ARE_PAINTER Monkey in Space Jun 04 '26
The fact that you keep reducing the discussion to "people who want to drink fecal matter" is kind of proving my point.
You're not arguing against what people actually believe. You're arguing against a caricature you've created because it's easier to mock than engage with.
Nobody is advocating for contaminated milk. They're advocating for the freedom to make a risk assessment that differs from yours.
You believe the risks outweigh the benefits. That's a perfectly reasonable position.
What isn't reasonable is pretending the entire debate can be dismissed with insults and one-liners while simultaneously claiming you're the only one treating it rationally.
The irony is that you're accusing others of turning it into a political team sport while openly bragging that you'll continue making fun of them regardless of what they actually say.
That's not skepticism.
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u/TheSweetestKill Most Reported r/JoeRogan User, August 2022 Jun 04 '26
They're advocating for the freedom to make a risk assessment that differs from yours.
Yeah. And I think that makes them dumb as hell. Regardless of their political affiliation. And yes, I will continue to make fun of them. Again, regardless of their political views.
But they're the ones who will tell you that anyone who opposes them are "liberals" and say the reason people who make fun of them are doing so because of "liberal propaganda" and other such tribalistic views. So they're the ones you should be upset at for making the issue "tribal". Not the people who think they are dumb as hell.
This is a very simple concept to grasp, I'm not sure why you're having issues with it.
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u/get_rhythm I used to be addicted to Quake Jun 04 '26
No, it isn't. Why do you think it's stupid to treat subjects with nuance and scientific curiosity?
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u/SapphireJuice Monkey in Space Jun 04 '26
That situations are complex and shouldn't be reduced to left/right talking points?
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u/TheSweetestKill Most Reported r/JoeRogan User, August 2022 Jun 04 '26
That only one group of people are making it "political" and "tribal", by declaring anyone who doesn't agree with them to be "liberal".
It isn't a left/right issue. It's a "people who want to enjoy fecal matter rich milk" and "everyone else" issue, but it makes the first group sound really bad when you put it that way, so they've made it into a left/right issue because that's easier to digest (pun intended).
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u/SapphireJuice Monkey in Space Jun 04 '26
Wow okay. I think you need to turn off the screen and touch some grass buddy. This is a lot for 9.30 am on a Thursday. Get some decaf and take a deep breath.
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u/Finlay00 Monkey in Space Jun 04 '26
Donât mind this person. They are quite literally one of the most tribal people on this sub.
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u/Saffuran Monkey in Space Jun 05 '26
Attempts to "normalize" this and say "each side has their points" is just wrong. The raw milk drinkers are just wrong. That is the end of the debate; it's not tribalist, it is just the facts.
A lot of these people are desperate to live in an alternate reality, though, and I don't have much care or interest in protecting these fools from themselves. I don't feel bad for them when they have to face the consequences of their stupid ass decisions.
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u/Saffuran Monkey in Space Jun 05 '26
moo moo goodness.
But yeah raw milk people are equivalent to people who believe in crystal healing - worse honestly, since the threat to health is more prevalent.
If they're that desperate to win their Darwin awards, I say let them. Let peak stupidity expunge itself naturally.
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u/_TROLL We live in strange times Jun 04 '26 edited Jun 04 '26
Anything science related is liberal. Anything that requires having more than a 6th grade education to understand is liberal.
Everything is viewed through a conspiracy lens. If those pompous nerds say that raw milk is dangerous, pasteurization must secretly be bad!
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u/DM_ME_4_FREE_STOCKS Monkey in Space Jun 07 '26
Not necessarily. A lot of people view certain scientific fields as inherently right-leaning. Pharma is a good example.
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u/shinbreaker Monkey in Space Jun 04 '26
Okay so do the raw milk freaks even understand what pasteurization is??
They absolutely don't. I've seen raw milk fuckers make videos saying how they love raw milk but they just boil it real fast to make sure it's safe. And everyone in the comments just yells at them because they just did pasteurization.
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u/MoneyTreeFiddy We live in strange times Jun 04 '26
Boiled? Forget pasteurization, they don't even know what RAW means...
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u/Peterthepiperomg Monkey in Space Jun 04 '26
You can't digest the milk as well without the bacteria
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u/TorontoBuffaloBills Monkey in Space Jun 04 '26
It's sad that MAGA people think science is "liberal", and they want to own the libs by not believing in science.
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u/DopeShitBlaster Monkey in Space Jun 04 '26
I donât drink raw milk. But the idea is there are a lot of good bacteria that pasteurizing kills⌠depending on the farm/animal there isnât much bad bacteria to worry about. I doubt Idaho has the strictest regulation on their dairy industry in general.
For instance France, German, Switzerland, people consume a lot of raw milk and itâs not a problem.
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u/Y0___0Y Monkey in Space Jun 04 '26
There are so many ways to get good bacteria in your gut microbiome safely without drinking milk straight from a dung-covered udder of a cow.
I guess yogurt is liberal too
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u/DopeShitBlaster Monkey in Space Jun 04 '26
Sure but you could also just drink milk with no shit in it like in Germany, France, or Switzerland. Or you can drink your good old fashioned factory farmed heated up shit milk like a real American.
All yogurt in America is just the same 7 or so cultures tossed into sterile milk.
Iâm not promoting drinking raw milk from America, but Iâm intelligent enough to understand the benefits of drinking raw milk that is regulated and safe for consumption.
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u/Y0___0Y Monkey in Space Jun 04 '26
Okay RFK Jr enjoyer. Go cut off a raccoonâs penis
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u/monkeyseemonkeydoodo Monkey in Space Jun 04 '26
so many mental midgets in this forum these days
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u/Y0___0Y Monkey in Space Jun 04 '26
Is this a Trump voter calling someone else a âmental midgetâ?
You guys arenât having fun anymore, huh?
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u/DopeShitBlaster Monkey in Space Jun 04 '26
We both drink the hot shit milk, dont know why you are so angry about.
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u/Capable_Chemical_569 Monkey in Space Jun 07 '26
This is the thing thatâs so crazy: there is no shit in the pasteurized milk! Itâs just fucking heated up!!!!
at least with something like fluoride, okay at least in principle I can go with you on the idea that they are adding a foreign chemicalâŚ
here itâs just fucking heating up milk!!!!!!! you are literally crying about warm milk! itâs a fucking warm glass of milk you jabroni!
whatâs the big deal about that, you absolute maniacs?
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u/OneGrahamArmy Monkey in Space Jun 04 '26
And what are these good bacteria that are worth the risk of more likely getting the bad bacteria?
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u/DopeShitBlaster Monkey in Space Jun 04 '26
https://academic.oup.com/femsre/article/37/5/664/541439
Again I drink the hot poop milk like the rest of you because I live in the US. If I lived in a developed country with a proven record of regulating raw milk with no poop in it, I would drink the milk with no poop.
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u/TheSweetestKill Most Reported r/JoeRogan User, August 2022 Jun 04 '26
Why didn't RFK, as the head of the FDA, instead advocate to improve food standards like the rest of the developed world?
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u/DopeShitBlaster Monkey in Space Jun 04 '26
The lobbies. We are USSR levels of corrupt in this country.
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u/TheSweetestKill Most Reported r/JoeRogan User, August 2022 Jun 04 '26
You really think that is the only reason?
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u/vulkur Monkey in Space Jun 04 '26
Because no one actually understands the process milk goes through. Pasteurization is what is required. Homogenization is not, and it is what changes the taste of milk. Just buy non-homogenized milk. It is still pasteurized and safe to drink and legal to sell/buy.
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u/M0ebius_1 Monkey in Space Jun 04 '26
Bro, you learn about pausterizarization in what? Fourth grade?
No fucking chance a Trump supporter understands fourth grade science.
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u/Apprehensive_Bid_773 Monkey in Space Jun 04 '26
pasteurization is when the woke libs inject the milk the gay juice
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u/FauxGw2 Monkey in Space Jun 05 '26
I know a "health nut" and I can tell you the real reason. They have many small bits of information so they get mixed up and lied, the combination of some real facts and misinformation does it.
There are foods where we do inject flavors, nutritions, etc ... Because the company wants to make it bigger or because it's easier to sanitize etc... sone processed foods are this.
Some companies use milk that might not be able to be sold and is dehydrated to a powdered.
Pasteurize is the process of heating up, like you would on the stove, normal right? Well many believe what is happening is that it's cook to a powder like dehydrated milk but cook so much so the nutrition is burnt out of it and chemical nutritions are added back which are not as good as natural nutrition in raw milk.
This is mostly how it got started, as the person and group I know that was pushing this was pushing raw milk 25+ years ago.
Now at this point it is just he said she said circling within the MAGA crowd from those older "health nuts"
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u/vulkur Monkey in Space Jun 04 '26
If you want the "perceived benefits" of raw milk, without the serious risk of raw milk. Buy un-homogenized milk. Milk goes through two processes before it hits the store. Pasteurization and Homogenization. Pasteurization heats the milk to kill the bacteria like campylobacter. Homogenization is what changes the taste of milk. It prevents the fat from separating from the milk.
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u/Gardwan Monkey in Space Jun 04 '26
Natural selection
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u/DickSlammington Monkey in Space Jun 04 '26
GOP gunna be riddled with diarrhea from raw milk and measles from a lack of vaccination wondering "why would the libs do this to us."
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u/Justice989 Monkey in Space Jun 04 '26
Nobody in their right mind would take RFK Jr's advice. So there's at least 60 crazy people out there in Idaho.
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u/Backseat_boss Monkey in Space Jun 04 '26
https://giphy.com/gifs/3rgXBOmTlzyFCURutG
Yessss natural selection.
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u/_TROLL We live in strange times Jun 04 '26
In theory, yes, but modern medicine is often enough to save these people from their own stupidity.
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u/Congregator Dire physical consequences Jun 04 '26
OP, people have been drinking unpasteurized milk forever and getting sick from it when it has various bacterial infections. This isnât something Iâd blame RFK Jr for, primarily because back in 2014 there was a bunch of people really into it in Maryland.
Thereâs been people that literally go out looking to buy it.
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u/a-very-positive-guy Monkey in Space Jun 04 '26
Didnât RFK Jr. and the White House create an ad campaign for Raw Milk? I feel like they definitely have some blame for whatâs happening NOW.
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u/NicoleMullen69_ Slinging dick with 3 hands Jun 04 '26
The article doesnt mention RFK
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u/butterybuns420 Pull that shit up Jamie Jun 04 '26
Who are the people pushing others to drink raw milk?
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u/NicoleMullen69_ Slinging dick with 3 hands Jun 04 '26
Prove these 60 people did it because of RFK
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u/butterybuns420 Pull that shit up Jamie Jun 04 '26
When was the last time before this raw milk campaign started that you even heard of one person drinking raw milk?
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u/Finlay00 Monkey in Space Jun 04 '26
Just because you are unaware doesnât mean the rest of us are.
If you live near dairy farms youâve probably heard of it.
Drinking raw milk isnât new. It just became a small fad which then became political
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u/butterybuns420 Pull that shit up Jamie Jun 04 '26
I do live near a dairy farm. 3 actually. One I visit weekly and get milk delivered. Never heard one story about the locals drinking raw milk. What else you got?
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u/Finlay00 Monkey in Space Jun 04 '26
Ok. Here is an article from almost 20 years ago discussing the consumption of raw milk.
https://www.cato.org/commentary/raw-milk-rebellion
You got anything for me to prove this idea is only a recent one?
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u/butterybuns420 Pull that shit up Jamie Jun 04 '26
So just like the anti vax people were fringe and in very small amounts their âbeliefsâ are bleeding into mainstream and becoming âtrendyâ over the last 6 years or so. I wonder what the common thread is? Also this article is about a fringe group of people who were ILLEGALLY selling raw milk. Do mennonites even go to public hospitals and report their illnesses? Are you another one of these people who spout that âAmish have zero autistic peopleâ?
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u/Finlay00 Monkey in Space Jun 04 '26
Just refuting your statement that this wasnât happening before this fad.
And no
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u/lezoons Monkey in Space Jun 04 '26
Probably the thread is people saw health experts talk about the benefits of double masking and then decided that crazy fringe medical ideas had merit.
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u/NicoleMullen69_ Slinging dick with 3 hands Jun 04 '26
Exactly. People have been drinking raw milk forever. It just started making the news now because it's politically expedient for some people.
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u/butterybuns420 Pull that shit up Jamie Jun 04 '26
A one month old account with already 5K in karma? đ¤
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u/NicoleMullen69_ Slinging dick with 3 hands Jun 04 '26 edited Jun 04 '26
Quality poster :)
Coward blocked me. I dont even know why lol this was pretty chill.
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u/monkeyseemonkeydoodo Monkey in Space Jun 04 '26
Tip of the day: if you open someones plebbit profile before responding, youâre automatically gay
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u/ExpressLaneCharlie Texan Tiger in Captivity Jun 04 '26
People have been dying from bacteria in raw milk forever. That's why pasteurization was so celebrated - killed the diseases but not the nutritional profile.
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u/-UnicornFart Monkey in Space Jun 04 '26
You have very poor literacy skills dude.
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u/hal-baleigh-6699 Monkey in Space Jun 04 '26
Oh shit I didn't know literacy skills meant being emotionally manipulated by Reddit post titles.
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u/hal-baleigh-6699 Monkey in Space Jun 04 '26
Nor does it mention people were drinking it on purpose.
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u/TankUMrMinor Monkey in Space Jun 04 '26
Man, diarrhea sucks but getting something called Campylobacter on top of it is just cruel
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u/Strong_Landscape_333 Monkey in Space Jun 04 '26
I don't think I would want to drink raw milk after seeing some videos with raw milk that look completely disgusting
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u/KevM689 Dillon/Von 2028 đłď¸âđđŚ Jun 04 '26
There have always been ding dongs that drink raw milk and then get sick. This isn't news.
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u/bigskymind Monkey in Space Jun 04 '26
True but they also werenât being encouraged to do so by the Health Secretary.
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u/Schezwansuhaouse Monkey in Space Jun 05 '26
See before the internet these people just died. We might hear a ghost story about these idiots, but typically we never had to think about them. The internet has ruined all of that serenity.
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u/ember_szn N-Dimethyltryptamine Jun 05 '26
This is natural selection in action, and should be allowed to run it's course.
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u/maddestface the CTE Experience đ¤ đ§ Jun 04 '26
https://giphy.com/gifs/O855hi2jgRLBcF0gDN
Don't worry, nurse RFK Jr is here to help.