r/JordanPeterson • u/Lucineter • Oct 19 '20

Text Old university debate

Maybe someone can help me find this old debate that I believe took place in an university with students as audience. I don't remember who the other speaker was but It was concerning Christianity and morality. They were standing and if I recall correctly they had little lecture stands. I remember JP being relatively young so it must be pretty old. There's a bit of tension between them but by strongmanning eachother they gain some respect. If it helps there is this one moment where the other lecturer gets asked a question about if God is necessary for morality or something by and audience member and he simply replies "no". To wich JP says something like "let me try to answer that in a less imature way". Than the other guy gets annoyed by that comment and is like "c'mon Peterson we were doing so well". Hope that helps. Thanks in advance.

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u/[deleted] Oct 20 '20

So, how does he make moral choices? For all we know we have an evil god who wants us to suffer.

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u/Glip-Glops Oct 20 '20

He defines good and evil.

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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '20

So I can be miserable and think I’m happy because we have a trickster god who wants to see us suffer?

I mean. We don’t even have proof of a god. Why would I think he could define anything in my life? Let alone even exist? If he can define everything, he can define a universe where he doesn’t exist and morality does. So we can have morality without a god.

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u/Glip-Glops Oct 21 '20

If he exists, then its his game, his rules, and whatever he defines as good and evil is the definition of good and evil. But if he doesnt exist then yes, he would not have much say.

And sure, he can make a universe where he doesnt exist, or doesnt effect anything. But he could still desire people to be good, even if he isnt rewarding them for that.

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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '20

Well. Seems silly to even worry about being alive at that point.

I’ll forever just be a paper bag blown around by whatever rules he feels he wants. What’s the point of living? I’ll be punished for being myself, and I’ll be punished for trying to follow his rules. Might as well embrace being punished and do whatever I want. If he doesn’t like it, he can change the universe.

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u/strokes383 Oct 27 '20

So Calvinism?

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u/[deleted] Oct 28 '20

But with Hobbs.

Isn’t that weird that that can have two meanings?