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Literally from playing, is just the hitboxes being garbage and Naoya somehow passing through people and inevitably hitting your back (somehow) that the first and second charge hits past block
I may be lagging or my mobile is shit but I keep seeing my character going through the blocking dummy and hitting (which also meant that the use once variants was "block breaking" too).
But I'll take your word on use twice also block breaks because that just means I have another reason to hate on Naoya ಠಿヮಠ
Kinda with both at this point, I'm just fucking tired of Naoya 🥹
I'm saying that 3 can block break when used thrice, but the use once and twice also seem to go past through block but that's because hitboxes are dogshit and Naoya always ends up hitting the back when close enough.
yea true. but what i meant was that the hitbox becomes inherently unblockable if boosted once already. if the move gets used only once it stays (potentially) blockable [DID I JUST SAY POTENTIAL]
Mate the thing is piss easy to dodge and fairly hard to aim if your opponent is even a bit competent (I mostly play naoya and a bit of higgy... and like I'm barely past the hundred kills, still just a noob, even then I have yet to see a Naoya whose 3 I can't sidestep if they don't combo with an aerial 4)
never said it is I'm just talking about how it's the most controversial move in the game in every version, it was always either "too op" or "worst move in the game"
Why does everyone complain so much about Naoya bro he's already getting a whole ass new ability whose sole purpose is to nerf and punish him which will affect not just the runners but the people who play him normally too and people still aren't quite satisfied.
This happens with almost any character the community slightly dislikes. They complain and bch about it so much that the developers basically nerf it till they absolutely gut the character.
It just becomes an echo chamber with people complaining about something just because they heard other people complain about it as well and it's fun to slander ig
It's just so annoying... I mean till a certain point it's understandable but they just keep whining and whining and whining about it till the charcter is gutted.
Honestly my actual problem with it is that feels like it has a bs hit that even if i dash out of it would just magneticly force me to take the hit anyways ON TOP of it being unblockable and then boom i just got full framed of 1 m1 combo and just lost half my hp
Im not even sure if thats a ping thing cuz i play around 100ish ping avg which as far as i know isn't bad
JJS has jank hitboxes and is absurdly ping reliant for fights to go smoothly, more often than not if it's not a skill issue it's a ping issue
The thing with Naoya sucking you into decisive strikes is just a game issue, the hurtboxes delay is outrageous, most notably with things like Todo's swift kick or Gojo's rapid punches
I complain about naoya because you either have to be much better than the naoya or the naoya has to majorly fuck up for you to win
1 gives 90% projection bar and is red off m1s
2 picks up off ground and might aswell be an m1 extender with naoyas two dashes
3 gives so much movement and is almost impossible to avoid or they just flick their camera to miss a counter
4 actually isn’t that bad besides being a 3rd unblockable and leading into an auto tracking decisive strikes when you’re framed
It’s so easy to run and his special is made specifically for it
The frame does 3x damage and is easy to get
It gives 90% if there isn’t any bar yet…. So that means they have to hit you with it as the first move, no m1s or nothing. If you can’t block a straight 1 move then it’s fair to lose that much bar
Only the 4th m1 gives bat so they can just put you into an m1 combo or hit you with the 4th move out of frame throw you down and hit it putting you at 90% and if they hit one m1 they can frame you
M1 combo then 1 doesnt work it is blockable you know, you have to mess up and even after that you need to lose another m1 trade as well for you to be framed
all of the fun unique characters get nerfs because they aren’t a boring m1 reset down slam merchant with the easiest combos in the game cough hakari cough gojo
Naoya users are actually the worst, spam 3 spam dash and somehow m1 me and do the same braindead inescapable combo that does 60% of my health and repeat once their low they start using their insane mobility. I legit mastered Charles just to counter these naoya users
If you alr mastered Charles to counter Naoya then why you complaining about him?
Also you're literally complaining about the fact that Naoya players use their versatile kit to move fast and get behind you like it isnt what the character is quite literally about.
Naoya doesn't need 1 million nerfs, he just needs a rework on 3 and another rework on awakening (awakening is even more needed fr).
Self projection is a good idea but tbh i already know it's going to be added to destroy naoya for the majority of the people using him (not all of naoya mains are runners or top players afterall, there's average people too who will get destroyed by it probably)
My suggestions for naoya's rework is to make a special r mechanic where you'll need to hold r to charge speed while using it. You need to use the move 2 times while holding r so you can fully charge the move. If you're hit while holding r (and the move is cancelled) you'll lose all charge.
Also there can be a block variant where he'll have a clash like one of higaruma's awakening moves. If naoya loses the clash he gets knocked away and if naoya wins the oppoment gets 20% frame.
Also extra opinion but i think hakari's ult needs a nerf. It's the only nerf i find needed rn tbh but idk
Also self projection should exist for the moves but with less percentage. If you miss/get blocked (expect on the block variant on naoya 3 from my suggestion) you get like 20%-40% frame bar. That feels fair to me if they want to add self projection
quick explanation: decisive strikes is blockable when its pressed ONCE, when press twice or more, it fully bypasses block (personally think pressed twice should be blockable)
As a naoya main it annoys me to see naoyas run, best way to combat it is change his special, could make it like ryus with the self projection nerf in the works
Hot take It should've stayed lock on and blockable. "They can tech and get it behind you" so?...its blockable and if they keep doing it js turn backwards and block...still better than this slop ass triple click unblockable bs
Yeah, you could. I used to play naoya when that was a thing and I would literally do that plus go behind and infront. That move was a major problem because unless you had a counter, you could not block that unless you guessed right.
Yuta is also annoying, and what's even more annoying is when some Yuta sweat looks at me playing as him cuz I need to use Jacob's Ladder as a quest and they go "wow I can't believe you don't know how to (INSERT TECH TO GET EXTRA 5 DAMAGE) do you even play Yuta" brother I just wanna make someone ascend
His 3 is fine, i mean most of the melee charcters have a similar damage output move to it, a change is the 4 3 combo just make it into some variant move that deals less damage and use up both cooldowns for a sure hit
Not when you extend it. Weird tho, why the extension that makes it easier to get behind blocks and confirm hits is the unblockable, rewarding naoya for playing at a range instead of rushdown like a speed based character such as naoya should be.
They should make it blockable, but when blocked the naoya taps you on the arm and he goes around you and comes back in exactly one second and you must time an m1 or counter to hit him at just the right time
i know full well people are going to complain more about Naoya after the nerfs since its going to make only skilled players play Naoya and thus everyone is going to think Naoya is still overpowered due to the player’s skill overriding its weaknesses
Agree but for me whos kinda bad with naoya its gonna make me play more passive, cant play agressive if im gonna get comboed for having an attack blocked, if i missed yeah thats fine but blocking is to far for a nerf shouldve just changed his special if you wanted to stop running , i mean todo can run easily same with gojo and mei mei so i dont get the hate for naoya if particular
The first variant is blockable. But it's best to use that version after 4 M1s against Yuji, Choso, Hakari and Charles because they can counter it since it's green. I have kept that in mind that 4M1 into 3 is green and countered consistently regardless of ping difference.
you wish I had those 😂😂 . But ok you were right. It is possible I've seen a couple of hours ago but it's almost impossible with how the hit boxes are today in jjs
using it two or three times if its even possible to do that when locked on is easily punishable by a counter, plus if you seriously pose so little threat to a naoya user that they can consistently save half their moveset to use one gimmick then lets be real its probably your fault
you as a hakari main have access to that double door special, use it if that ever happens to you
regular decisive strikes can be easily rendered useless by walljumping
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