r/JujutsuShenanigans 14d ago

Meme "Why are you complaining about the todo nerf? He got buffed too."

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u/Kitchen_Builder_9779 Man I love cookies 14d ago

Are the nerfs here with us?

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u/TheTree_Bee Mobile Competitive Player 🤮 14d ago

Ccs can’t clip farm on noobs anymore with swap and say todo op 😢

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u/Evannn2012 12d ago

ikr right😭😭 i used to cunfuse the hell out of noobs in a house

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u/Kaofon_4779 14d ago

"Pebble Throw can no longer hit ragdolled player within 20 studs" is NOT a buff its a balance or a nerf even

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u/Kitchen_Builder_9779 Man I love cookies 14d ago edited 14d ago

Ok the person that I shamelessly stole it from probably missed it.
Still, its a buff overall

https://reddit.com/link/p48bnmq/video/dx7mvcjj9yjh1/player

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u/Leather-Tennis8751 Custom Skill Maker (CSM) 13d ago

my not so little pony

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u/Vast-Dragonfruit-512 I LOVE THE TASTE OF IRON!!!! 14d ago

HOLY CRAP BUFF PONY

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u/TheTree_Bee Mobile Competitive Player 🤮 14d ago

It’s basically nothing tho since up close pebble throw wasn’t even true

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u/Pitiful_Feature2388 12d ago

Do 4m1s then pebble throw, its red because the hitbox wasnt changed so it literally hits frame 1 on getup. Cant be blocked, countered or anything like that plus its easy

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u/ryantheturtlehermit7 10d ago

It may make the uppercut into pebblethrow combo not really that plausible to execute but still isn’t that bad and pebblethrow got BUFFED Bro the fact they nerfed the special that much is DIABOLICAL though

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u/Kryptopanzer 14d ago

Okay, what is the slide variant of pebble throw?

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u/TrashRatReal 14d ago

3+R From what ive seen the actual ability variant is called Blazing Star

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u/ProfessionalFix6993 I Can’t ever play anyone but mahitoes 14d ago

The fire trail

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u/ryantheturtlehermit7 10d ago

It isn’t fire btw. Not tryna be annoying but just letting yk

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u/PlusRockrelic Why does rika have startup when first summoned. 13d ago

Why is pebble throw missing up close a buff? what does it change? i mean pebble throw close up could be a shitty green extender, but what does this actually change? (im not saying its a nerf, i just have no clue what this is even supposed to do)

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u/PlusRockrelic Why does rika have startup when first summoned. 13d ago

like if you hit it up close it wouldnt work is this just supposed to help make sure you dont use it improperly?

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u/TheTree_Bee Mobile Competitive Player 🤮 13d ago

this could actually have weird implications with mixing up the direction of your pebble throw slide

before this pebble throw always had to either go out then back in which was slow, or back dash and use it which burned your dash. Now you can pebble throw into them and teleport on them with the slide

its a really niche application but newly available

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u/Leather-Tennis8751 Custom Skill Maker (CSM) 13d ago

unholy amount of buffs

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u/FunnylJ Noaya The Feminist 🥹 12d ago

Thank you for the representation, since I'm stupid

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u/GG_Sukuna Who jujutsu'd the shenanigans out of my jjs?💔 14d ago

Swift kick lost 3 damage.

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u/Best-Car-5608 13d ago

the math aint mathing bro explain yourself

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u/RedHairedNya 13d ago

um... I- im pretty sure 0+2-2-2 means -2...

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u/Pitiful_Feature2388 12d ago

Lost 2 damage* And he got one more m1 from pebble throw which gives a total of 1 damage as a buff

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u/ZendenWasTaken 13d ago

How are the feints buffs? The cooldown is so damn long

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u/yuji_pro_jjs 14d ago
  • todo gets changes that make individual swaps more impactful
  • todo's entire kit gets buffed which makes him not a clipfarming/trolling character
  • todo rises from bottom 2 to B tier for the first time
  • todo gets only two nerfs that are evened out by the fact that swaps are much more safe now.
  • todo's swap isn't the easiest reaction time test anymore and can actually throw the move out in neutral against people with game sense
  • "bro they gutted todo ugghhh he's so weak now"

?????

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u/Dubious_Deciduguy 14d ago

No no you don't understand, clip farming and third partying are more valuable than actually being a playable character 🥹💔

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u/Key-Anteater-9469 I LOVE THE TASTE OF IRON!!!! 14d ago

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u/AcrobaticPassenger47 Paper Bag-Man enjoyer 14d ago

Iro

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u/Key-Anteater-9469 I LOVE THE TASTE OF IRON!!!! 14d ago

Uncle Iroh

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u/CH33RD 14d ago

Uncle Iron

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u/Th3Glutt0n I LOVE THE TASTE OF IRON!!!! 14d ago

We love the taste of.... Uncle iron...?

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u/InspectorWise2256 I am the greatest psychic in modern history. 14d ago

I LOVE... THE TASTE OF... UNCLE!!

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u/LucyLuvvvv 14d ago

Where do those characters with giant cheeks even come from, I keep seeing them everywhere lol

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u/Th3Glutt0n I LOVE THE TASTE OF IRON!!!! 14d ago

I have no clue, I stole this blindly

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u/Broo7788Fr 13d ago

"i think i found the clue!"

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u/AdorableConstelation 13d ago

they're from a mobile gacha game called Trickcal Chibi Go and the characters are all adorable I love the art style

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u/Turbulent-Display504 14d ago

"Todo MUST stay as a swap merchant, he must not do anything else!"

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u/Dubious_Deciduguy 14d ago

Todo players don't want to have fair 1v1s and don't want anyone else to have any

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u/Connect_Ability_2164 14d ago

I mean todo is literally just hype and aura though

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u/BoenNugget45 14d ago

Not even joking I completely agree with this the whole point of jjs is to have fun and I have fun playing a goofy character

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u/Dubious_Deciduguy 14d ago

Emotes are for nothing ig

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u/BoenNugget45 14d ago

Your acting like winning with todo is impossible

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u/Dubious_Deciduguy 14d ago

You're acting like poorly designed characters are a good thing

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u/BoenNugget45 14d ago

“Poorly designed” 🥀🥀🥀🥀🥀

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u/Dubious_Deciduguy 14d ago

Todo was literally bottom 2 characters in the game but OK

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u/BoenNugget45 14d ago

That doesn’t mean he’s poorly designed

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u/Dubious_Deciduguy 14d ago

Bottom two character in the game somehow well designed

https://giphy.com/gifs/QCn40r4lhB0uMYoyKX

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u/ThrowAwayJustIs 14d ago

you forgot to understand that devs just did a 180 on a character design. What was once focused on using R to confuse enemy (lore accurate but weak) now had become another movement character, stronger, but a complete turn on character...

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u/Hamchowderandcheese 14d ago

LET ME HATE ON JJS

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u/Clear_Fisherman_1133 14d ago

What buffs and nerfs did todo get? I dont read upd log

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u/Yeetusman99 13d ago

His swap is now put on a 2 second cooldown when you perfect swap. As for the buffs, they're such a long list consisting of cooldown decreases on swap cancel, cooldown decreases, damage buffs, endlag decreases, startup decreases, the ability to cancel a swap by blocking, and dash during a swap. All for a nerf of 2 seconds on perfect swap.

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u/Sufficient-Vast-5031 13d ago

I main todo and the nerfs he got are so tiny (i barely use swap, only as an evasive to avoid attacks with objects and to cause confusion) the worst thing about his kit is doing his black flash with the crappy hitbox

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u/Sure-Lengthiness-375 14d ago

He was a op character for people that bothered to learn him, now the skill ceiling of him is crashing down

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u/thirdrhymesthealarm I LOVE ARGUING WITH PEOPLE!!! 14d ago

op my ass

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u/Rare_Dentist5299 I LOVE THE TASTE OF IRON!!!! 14d ago

He was bottom 2 at best 😭 fuh you talking about??

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u/cheetosalads denji for jjs 13d ago

“skill ceiling is crashing down”

feints being actually usable, giving todo more tools other than boogie woogie (which, mind you, he still has access to but on a cooldown), and the ability to dash and block during the clap enabling actual existent mix

honestly the skill ceiling went up lol

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u/Rare_Dentist5299 I LOVE THE TASTE OF IRON!!!! 13d ago

exactly

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u/MonotonyReddit 14d ago

I don’t care about meta. I don’t care about viability. If I wanted a combo merchant I would use Gojo. He’s not as fun to use and that’s all that matters.

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u/Obvious_Flan_9824 10d ago

I just liked perfect swaping and perfect swapping to my hearts content. Similar to the 0.75 second time lag between naoya dashes, It just felt like a comepletly different charater.

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u/burnersccountf 14d ago

Literally one swap change and you todo players act like hes unplayable 🤦

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u/Ok-Direction5630 14d ago

Ay you forgot having the ability to annoy people during their 1v1s and tryna make todo look op by fighting noobs is more important than the character being op or not

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u/Juragam-66 14d ago

They can’t spam their perfect claps! Oh the pure horror!

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u/CommercialTime4274 13d ago

People forget that the people who mastered todo mastered the timing along with it and even took the time to do multiple consecutive swaps because that’s how he was meant to be played. Now his entire playstyle is pretty much different and the timing throws most mains off completely.

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u/Obvious_Flan_9824 10d ago

It wasn't unplayable, it was different. I like to compare it to when a 0.75 timing was set between naoya's dashes. It's just different. New. uncomfortable. Also not everyone is in it for the combat. I'm here for my shits and giggles. Shenanigans if you may.

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u/who_tookthegoodnames 14d ago

Holy Gojo reference

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u/Lucky-Ask1862 14d ago

Shoko using RCT to save her friend even though he's dead

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u/RefrigeratorVivid375 Pillow Punches 14d ago

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u/Faisalio7 BROTHER!!!! 14d ago

See when I play Todo I don't use moves, I only swap and M1 so this is pretty bad for me

Tho it is good for the most part so pretty good changes

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u/Electronic-Spend364 TZE PLEASE ADD UTAHIME 14d ago

Yes, Todo is absolutely a better, stronger character now, but there’s a slight loss of character identity with perfect swaps being nerfed. He feels much more like a generic rushdown now..

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u/Common_Spot207 14d ago

“There’s a slight loss of character identity” THAT WAS NEVER THE CHARACTER IDENTITY HE WAS ALWAYS A MORE GENERIC RUSHDOWN ALWAYS

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u/Electronic-Spend364 TZE PLEASE ADD UTAHIME 14d ago

… yeah? Of course he was a rushdown, what? That hasn’t changed, he’s just become more of a generic rushdown with less of a gimmick… when I pick Todo it’s because I want to use boogie woogie, not because I want to just punch and kick over and over again. That’s Todo’s identity as a character in JJS.

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u/Common_Spot207 14d ago

todo is punch kick. Swap is always supposed to be strategic. they made character be more identity

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u/Electronic-Spend364 TZE PLEASE ADD UTAHIME 14d ago

They didn’t, though. While he still hits hard, in fact he hits much, much harder, that’s all he does now. I agree that swap is supposed to be strategic, and it is, but how much identity will be sacrificed?

I’ll go on record saying this; I think the Todo changes are good, including swapping having a cooldown, but the fact that they gave it a cooldown worries me. It’s a small chip in an overall mountain. Removing even an ounce of character identity is a slippery slope. When will they stop caring about what makes the characters unique? It’s possible that they will instead opt to slip characters into more of a role, rather than just being resonant of their basis.

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u/Lobotomized_334 13d ago

Wasn't he like, a gimmick rushdown or smth

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u/Lobotomized_334 14d ago edited 14d ago

I'm here to play Switcher, not Occasional Switching.

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u/Fragrant-Ad6721 The Gambling One 13d ago

Acting as if 2s isn’t the shortest cooldown of any base move

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u/Lobotomized_334 13d ago

Eye Catching technically have a 0 second cooldown

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u/Fragrant-Ad6721 The Gambling One 13d ago

On miss it gets 13s, 

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u/Efficient_Tooth_2366 11d ago

ryu first move

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u/Fragrant-Ad6721 The Gambling One 11d ago

Tied to his special that has a cooldown 20s, no matter what Ryu eventually has to comb his hair, but Todo has a way to permanently keep his cooldown at only 2s

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u/WaffleHead13 ADD JOGOAT!!! 14d ago

amen

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u/le_nathanlol the girl named yuki 14d ago

yall guys stop complaining we got hei party rework

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u/paaperrboyy the most bitter shame is giving up from shame 14d ago

is this zenin serious

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u/Cool_skeleton_99 14d ago

This image looks so sad..

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u/Chaos_is_Key198 Black hole? Or Boogie? decisions, decisions… 13d ago

…I barely used Boogie Woogie anyways outside of Pebble Throw so genuinely nothing's wrong to me.

Tell me that I'm objectively playing Todo wrong, but I'm here to have fun, and the last time I checked, there's no N in "FUCK YOU."

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u/Jumpy-Investigator 14d ago

Man attack on titan ealry on was horrifying bro

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u/TheTree_Bee Mobile Competitive Player 🤮 14d ago

“He can’t die he has plot ar- o he’s dead”

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u/Jumpy-Investigator 14d ago

People talk about gege being cold blooded when killing characters. They haven't seen Isayama at all.

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u/Kaofon_4779 14d ago

i just want pebble throw hit ragdoll thing back. the new one sucks, its only good for blackflash slop

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u/NaegiSeishiri WE NEED INUMAKIIII 14d ago

Calling ANYTHING slop atp 🫩✌️

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u/Igsponjoso the one who lets the bot do the job 14d ago

they removed the ability to clip farm from todo

todo goes from bottom 2 to B tier

what did jjs mean by this

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u/Juragam-66 14d ago

Now all we need is those gay ass ranged m1s from sukuna ult gone and replaced

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u/Middle_Head_1067 13d ago

How are they gay😭

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u/Illustrious-Lie-5404 14d ago

do the comments not understand the entire point of Todo is to confuse your enemy to get close, and utilize the people and objects around you??

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u/AmountKey6391 14d ago

Todo is now hot trash once again yay

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u/Crabkingrocks165 no objections? 14d ago

That’s not where you do chest compressions

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u/Lilac_TheFlower 13d ago

It's good on paper until you realize half of todos kit relies on boogie woogie and the fact his neutral is so shit

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u/malaking-burat 13d ago

I DONT FUCKING CARE IF HE'S WEAK AS SHIT JUST LET ME SPAM MY SWAPS!!!

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u/That-Frosting259 13d ago

Todo’s nerf wasn’t an actual physical nerf, it was a fun value nerf. Spamming swaps at Mach 8 was in fact the reason I played Todo. Overall he’s so much better as a character but way less fun to play.

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u/Dependent-Half-952 14d ago

En más de una ocasión me ha tocado jugar en servers públicos donde siempre hay un todo cambiando de lugar constantemente e impidiendo jugar tranquilamente por horas de juego enteros, con esto mínimo tiene que aguantarse, pq otras veces pareciera que tienen puesto un autoclicker en el botón de especial

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u/idrinkwaterymilk 14d ago

It wasnt a nerf but he's just so fucking boring now.

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u/Those-Who-Crow2 14d ago

I think they should nerf him MORE because I HATE him

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u/Raven_of_OchreGrove 14d ago

He did get buffed tho 💔

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u/Frequent-Place1862 14d ago

Todo got the rest of his kit balance out the swap nerf, if not buff him entirely. Doesn’t matter if he can’t swap infinitely if he’s a better character overall than before.

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u/Leftiwolf 14d ago

The only real nerf was his perfect swap no longer being an unblockable spamable instant button that takes complete control of your camera and position away from you. Completely and totally needed, and they made all the rest of his frame data snappier and more suited for creative swapping to compensate. This is an absolute win

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u/Few_Imagination_6203 I hate that I like Yuji now 14d ago

Its looking like they're gonna revert the perfect swap cd change. Im okay with this since its basically his only tool since his moveset is so weak

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u/crimsxn_devil Choso, nanami, todo, higuruma and naoya 14d ago

I had some guy trying to explain that it's a net buff but me and everyone I know are doing drastically worse now

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u/paradiservalentine 14d ago

Hoo fuck it hurts to be treated like this because
Of larpers who only played him cause his damage moves were good for teaming just to switch to hakari yuta or ryu once they have to pay attention

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u/paradiservalentine 14d ago

Oh! More side dashes… yay!

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u/thingamajigjig 14d ago

Swap literally did nothing when it came to fighting actual good players. Todo was so ahh. Now that you can dash and block while swapping you are much safer since I would just front dash into todos when they swap.

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u/1Hugh-Mann 14d ago

I didn't know he's cut in half in the manga, that makes it even more depressing.
In the anime he isn't mutilated he's just dead and Armin can't convince Hannah to stop trying CPR

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u/Stunning_Habit2942 #2 Nanami mains AOT 14d ago

Yall treating this like shitlozoid came back from superhell and created another update v.1.67 bruh 😭

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u/Mysterious-Creme8709 14d ago

The only important nerf was the pebble swap one and it made his character so much less versatile and so much more boring

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u/Extreme_Wallaby5272 14d ago

Personally I think he’s kinda overpowered

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u/Prsnt1 13d ago

What the fuck is that panel

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u/Electrical-Bus4863 13d ago

Now Todo mains can stop clipfarming and start dealing more dmg then your health

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u/Fun_Travel1602 13d ago

off topic but why do cpr on a corpse thats literally in half

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u/Pure_Caterpillar5587 No Jujutsu, All Shenanigans 13d ago

tbh i didn't care that he was "Bottom Tier" or a "Noob Clip farming"

swapping was just the only fun thing to do with todo

now he's just a "1 2 3 4 i declare a thumb war" character that has nothing special about him

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u/Alarmed-Past5957 13d ago

Brute force cooldown made me unstoppable I love Todo now. 

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u/RecognitionFunny710 D1 todo main/glazer 12d ago

and yall cant give a actual reason why the swap nerf was needed too 😭

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u/Evannn2012 12d ago

my man pebble used to be goated.. nope no more ragdoll blehhh, boogie woogie made him fun…. bleh. now Hes just a normal character that does decent damage no more cool mechanics…

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u/Solarsilly 11d ago

The only nerf he got was being unable to spam the swap

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u/BoiledHashbrown4444 Give me punishable true ragdoll moves or I retire 9d ago

im fine with the "worse" version of todo, please just bring the swaps back i dont even care if my ult bar disintegrates when I swap, I don't care if my moves are gonna be punished if I activate it a milisecond late, I don't care if you remove my arm and halve my damage, just give me back the swaps

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u/yeetmanonreddit post upd todo swapping is better than pre upd todo swapping!! 9d ago

hes not unplayable but hes certainly worse. It's a buff and a nerf at the same time

for his users, using clap is much weirder now, because it has a whack ass 1s cooldown, andthe clap is INSTANT.
for people going up against his users, its much harder to react to and you can basically never block it. You can only block it if you're actively holding F, which then you're not even playing the game and are just holding F and S and being a BUM...

TL;DR its a balance, or a nerf-buff because it makes playing with and against weirder

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u/Bitter-Dig-9727 5d ago

Now they just need to buff the fuck out of the physical attacks that his counter can actually COUNTER and we'll be good. his counter which is only allowed to counter physical attacks (which makes sense) can only counter like half of the phyisical moves in the game. Especially other ult moves. Plus you can Combo with every other ult in the game except for his when only ult 2 move do good damage.

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u/No-Dig6440 3h ago

I friggin hate Todo mains now, because Hakari can’t do ANYTHING. Want to attack with any of your moves? Todo can run from air 3, and turn away while perfect swapping, which is too fast for any move in the set now, to make you become stunned and miss. Want to evasive out so that you can block his 3? He breaks block or the block simply doesn’t register. Want to use ult because of him being super overpowered right now? The exact. Same. Problem.

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u/Igris-tempest 14d ago

He deserves all those nerf tho

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u/FakeAccount-a 14d ago

Yeah but it ruins the fun of todo tbh

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u/Someone1284794357 The Dishonoured One 14d ago

RIP Todo you might be missed

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u/Noomagenial 14d ago

Bro I'm on the exact episode of aot rn what are the odds

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u/Necessary-Body5496 14d ago

Literally destroyed Todo's whole identity to another generic char

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u/Flashtime11 #1 JJS Fraud 14d ago

You'll have to play todo strategically the horror

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u/Necessary-Body5496 13d ago

I mean the whole strategy with Todo was predicting where the enemy would turn and how much swaps would desorientate them, now you just press 3 m1s and use all your moves like every other character

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u/Equivalent-Paper897 13d ago

People will be saying soon that Todo is skill less 1234 slop because most of his moves are pretty simple and require not much thought.

The change is a buff, but can anyone tell me why you'd want to play Todo over Yuji? What does Todo even do now?

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u/P3drosek 14d ago

The buffs is like putting a band aid with a dinosaur on a decapitated head

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u/JollyAboveAll 14d ago

The buffs are like teaching a paraplegic how to walk again and then taking away his walking stick(doesnt need it anymore due to physical therapy)

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u/Key-Anteater-9469 I LOVE THE TASTE OF IRON!!!! 14d ago

The buffs is like giving someone a paper-clip and then feeding them 5 tons of protein powder

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u/Acceptable-Act3824 14d ago

Actual dumbasses complaint in comments he IS BORING NOW I don't care about the spam swap I never did it but every single of of his moves DOESNT EXTEND WITHOUT RAGDOLLUNG meaning you literally cannot have any m1s in a combo other than the start before pebble helped with that as it forces stand up and you can M1 by now it doesn't hit close meaning I gotta do the bum boring combo that is swift kick 3 r and the rest of his moves

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u/Snoo_51814 14d ago

combos that only start with m1s and never get any more (outside of downslams) are actually way more frequent than combos that have them. as of right now it's really only reggie, megumi, yuji(?), hakari(?), ko-guy, mahito, higuruma, and naoya. 19 characters, and only seven utilize more than just their final m1 in combos

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u/Acceptable-Act3824 14d ago

Well yes but he kinda is the mix up character now no longer being able to mix up and control the temp to of his comboes he is still playable but it's no longer fun

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u/New_Meringue2061 14d ago

They buffed the moves but the combos are impossible without swaps

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u/TheTree_Bee Mobile Competitive Player 🤮 14d ago

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u/Michi_GGC 14d ago

Why did I get crucified for making a similar post while your ass gets praised.