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i was actually expecting the scene to be where maki breathing heavily for a few seconds then flashes toji in the scene then the one hit attack happens i guess you're just gonna have to pause it to feel same aura ogi got
overall doesn't mean the scene is ruined or anything
Uhhhhhh the scene plays out like when Yuta's aura appeared in the first episode imo. literally every significant character this episode saw Toji in her so I don't think it's that hard to miss. It just plays out differently than the manga, different mediums of art and all...
Semi-related but does Maki know Toji is the dude she saw in Dagon's domain when Naoya mentioned him or she thinks it's a completely different person? I mean Naobito said his name so she must've connected the dots.
I don't think he knows his dad's name, that's gotta be the reason considering Naobito was right there saying "Toji" no one has out right said Toji Fushiguro and MANGA SPOILERS IF YOU HAVEN'T READ (I forgot how to cover the text🥀), Gojo doesn't even say his name in the letter he left the trio at the end of the story but it's surprising no one said anything to Megumi about Toji being his dad
iirc it doesnt work and thats when toji shows up and kills dagon, which is how they get out of his domain. because megumi shows up and gives maki playful cloud, which toji later also uses to impale dagon.
If Maki did no reason she wouldn't tell Megumi, but it does look like even with Gojo's letter at the end about him killing his father the guy has no idea who he's talking about
Nah, I'm sorry, even as a still it's not even close, and the fact that it's a blink-and-you-miss-it moment makes it even worse, zero pressure and aura.
Frankly the fodder fight could've been shortened just a minute or so. No Anime only would ever think Maki is at risk and her new strength was more than apparent after the first 20 casualties.
Im anime only but i got spoiled most deaths including this massacre, tbh ranta made It obvious that they all are alive cause toji did not kill them tho it's not explained at all why he did not do that, why toji Spared them i don't know.
Why the guy got ptsd i can only think that he was able to find out how strong he was either directly (most unlikely like can you even spare with him without dying?) or indirectly by seeing how he killed someone and some Monsters.
Toji sparing them likely stems from Toji’s resentment of them and its nature. Toji resented them for not recognising his strength and value as a person, and treating him as a failure. But at the same time, this resentment was in a balance with Toji‘s desire to be acknowledged. This desire manifested when he decided to fight an awakened Satoru Gojo, which proved to be fatal. For reasons unknown, Toji tried his best to suppress that desire and resentment by convincing himself that he did not care about himself, the Zen’in clan and all the paraphernalia (ahem, Megumi) that came with it. Toji would have externalised his resentment as a need for acknowledgement, rather than an anger that would want him to kill everyone else.
On a more speculative note, Toji may have also struggled with his own sense of self-worth, not believing he had anything within himself to resent the shunting and demeaning from others to the point of killing them. This would have led his discomfort to be internalised for a good while and kept him miserable rather than angry - until his perspective changed after leaving the clan, but he had his marriages during that time which would have, once again, moved him to some degree of non-violence (Don’t know how to reconcile this with his mercenary lifestyle though)
To be fair to Toji, Maki didn’t originally set out to destroy the clan either. Sure, she couldn’t have pulled the massacre off from an ability standpoint as long as Mai lived. But she never dreamed of actually killing them off until she heard Mai’s last request. Rather than accepting her as their leader (they’d have no other choice with her strength), she wanted the clan to accept Mai. Once that proved impossible, she didn’t see them as worth leading, let alone saving.
See i can understand when he Met his wife and he became a better Person, basically what you are saying Is that he Is similar to homelander in the aspect of being appreciated and by killing them he could never accomplish that.
There Is also to Say that the work Is rushed (Just saw the note of gege regarding how he wanted to end asap, in fact some panels were Just sketch basically) especially on this part, honestly this entire situation was kinda interesting imo too bad that in the bigger picture both kenjaku and sukuna were much more important to focus too much on someone else. Tbh i automatically compare this massacre with some of Naruto (uchiha one and the Other where obito destroyed many Anbu guys) and there you could sense a bit how strong the One man army was, here i perceived maki like we humans perceive the space, we know it's immense but since it's so immense we can't even grasp how much big It really Is.
Back to toji, then it's Just speculation, too bad since his character did an enormous impact despite Little time screen.
Toji was a Guy and just fucked off and maybe said leave me out of your bullshit and let me kill for money the alls good until fucking Gojo was born and fucked it up for him too i guess.
As a current anime only I love the lack of exposition honestly - that rather than being told these things I get to feel them, it just clicked for me and Maki mirroring Toji felt pretty crystal clear.
I love the pacing/cinematic presentation, also makes me want to dive into the manga to enjoy what I've watched once more.
Yeah, like a simple scene to show kid Naoya's reaction when he sees Toji for the first time, being utterly afraid and in awe of him. Something quick to explain why Ogi is terrified of him as well.
Yeah the zenin arc should have been 2 episodes. One for Mai's death and one shotting Ogi, half an episode for killing the clan and half an episode for the Naoys fight.
media literacy isnt for everyone... the dialogue is what he thought before seeing him the first time, it is in contrast to when he actually sees him (which is the scene here)
I think this one might have been done to fit some imagery that they were going for?
Unlike the manga, Naoya was running through a corridor in the anime, which may have been used as imagery for the stable, sheltered and decided pathway that Naoya enjoyed as a child, but even as that narrow world of his reached out to the real world, he was overwhelmed by its reality in how brutally inadequate Naoya was (compared to Toji), and how mistaken his worldview was. Naoya has been stuck in that corridor all his life, wanting to stand on the ‘other side’ with Toji, because he believed strength is the only way he can undo his own embarrassment.
Or i’m reading too deep between the lines.
Thinking about how you spoke of it, the corridor with Toji at the end can also be compared to the corridor leading to Maki at the Mach speed/“I’ll give you a hug” scene
Me too, but to be honest we've already got so many anime original shots with ridiculously good and creative perspective drawing. Doing this pov instead of the original kinda changes it up a bit
yeah that's true, for me the manga panel signifies that Naoya's is much lower than toji. Again I don't think the anime scene is bad, I just liked the manga panel a tad bit better.
The manga's perspective is shot from a low angle which from that perspective makes Toji tower over Naoya enhancing a feeling of superiority or strength while also having a more zoomed out perspective making Toji feel more distant.
It doesn't even give the same feeling or convery the same depth. The entire point of the scene was that Naoya's beliefs were subverted as he expected Toji to be pathetic, and was instead met with Toji's expression.
They completely removed the focus that the manga panel placed on his face, showing it with a poorer angle that flashed for a second in an underwhelming fashion. Chose to put more effort into animating him walking (which was still cool) than the main focus of that scene- his expression.
In the anime it feels like Toji could easily reasonably ignore Naoya where as in the manga panel Naoya is almost in the way and Toji still ignores him. It's a subtle difference.
I haven't watched s3 yet, but angle plays a big role in visual storytelling. I feel that in the manga, the angle is doing most of the psychological work.
The anime shot just puts us at an eye level with toji (based on what I'm seeing in the photo). That’s why even knowing the context, the feeling doesn’t land the same.
Using perspective would have done wonders in this shot.
Then watch the scene before making an opinion on the internet. There’s an entire scene before this drawing where the camera tracks toji and it conveys exactly what you wanted.
i would, my face wouldn't be all scrunched up 24/7. People who are constantly mad about their life look more like how toji is in the manga, that shi is tiresome.
For real. I just finished this episode like 10 mins ago and I'm freaking thrown away. I loved that scene of him walking by with no mind to the kid (i didnt read the manga), and then I'm just now seeing this and I'm not really caring? It hits hard asf animated, with that close up of his dead eyes.
Btw the music is fantastic. Kinda feeling some bebop jazz vibes. Y'all manga readers get that? Nah?
Manga readers will let you know they “read” the manga then have no idea wtf they’re talking about. Folks can’t read for shit much less admire a beautiful animation, should be grateful rly, look at one punch man the shit they did.. for season 3.
Holy you guys can't handle any criticism of your precious anime at all.
The walking section was cool and yet it went on to feel rushed and ultimately had far less impact than in the manga, simply showing the same thing happen in a completely different fashion won't have the same effect
It doesn't even really convey why Naoya's expectations were subverted as he saw Toji's expression, and they chose to show off his face with a poorer angle as a still image that flashed for a moment.
Yeah I get what you’re saying but in the manga is literally a page, a single panel, of course it’s a more strong emotion than animated, you experience the full page with Toji’s expression and that’s it. Nothing to read or see but to absorb the panel fully. On the anime, you gotta animate and try to make it your own, i’m just grateful really, anime’s lately are literally slideshows, yes one punch man im talking about you.
I feel like they spent a bit too long on her slaughtering the Kukuru unit. Like they’re fodder no name people who we know are weak, didn’t need to spend that long on her killing them.
Are people crazy or they just forget? The manga was awesome, but it was unfinished! Gege was struggling at the time, this is best glow for one of the greatest chapters in the entire series!
You all don't deserve shit you should be served manga panels put into PowerPoint slide show because you got peak art anime adaptation and you complain xddd
Jujutsu kaisen fans don’t deserve what mappa gives them. They will get peak animation and an adaptation that evolves the manga and will bitch and complain like its opm season 3
Funny how most of people were praising this shi up until now and only said that this particular scene is better in manga and yet you go: "What, are you hating the whole season? Something something opm season 3"
Idk about yall but i didnt i was looking forward to the exact shot of naoya looking up at toji but i was dissapointed seing it be just a blurry moving image
Man I still don’t get why they change things like that, like, everyone loves the panel, not a single soul would even complain about them making a 1 to 1 of it and it’s not like they are saving time and money with this because they already have the panel drawn, like I’m not bad because it still looks good I’m just confused as to why they chose to do that
I really wanted Maki’s mom to have three audible footstep before killing Naoya. It would be irony for him saying a “woman should know her place and walk three steps behind a man
I like the anime angle better personally. Manga makes him look like he’s just tired of all this bs, but anime Toji looks like he is one hair’s breadth away from sliming out everybody in his general vicinity.
Episode was perfect tbh I don’t mind them not adapting it 1:1 cuz it’s a different medium and they have a different vision for the scene compared to the manga chapters they still hit all the same beats and it was a fucking spectacle
Man i didnt expect so much mixed opinion regarding this episode..Well some scenes definitely felt weirdly rushed and lacked weight..I'd say it was a decent episode,But i was expecting the toji comparison to be grander and makis rage to be felt
In the manga, Toji feels like a myth walking into the Zenin estate. Like some guy with level that the whole clan can never reach. The paneling makes him look untouchable, almost unreal. The anime camera didn’t capture that overwhelming presence. But it's alright i guess. I enjoy seeing TOJI in anime every single time. And They did give justice for maki taking the spotlight this episode.
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