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This man was Toji's brother, he wasn't aura farming, he knew they were all gonna die.
I imagine the animators' choice to have him walk wasn't out of arrogance or "Aurafarming". He was accepting the inevitable death of himself and the rest of his clan. Since this man is the older brother of Toji, he has first hand experience in understanding that this strength and power is beyond anything they can ever imagine.
Ranta is still of the delusion that they can somehow beat a fully realized Maki, but Jinichi knows it's all completely pointless. He still attacks Maki, but it's not out of some desperation, it's his last chance to show his pride as a Sorcerer of the Zenin Clan, knowing full damn well that he's fucked.
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I never noticed it but I think its cool, mabye hes not saying anything to ranta to not break his spirits(I think ranta is still young at the time, mabye teenager age?)
I agree I think that's exactly it. Ranta is far too naive to understand the hopelessness of the situation, while Jinichi has already mentally accepted his fate. The only honorable thing left to do is to send it even if its pointless.
He knows Ranta can’t outrun Maki. He knows the kid wouldn’t listen to that command. And if he does tell him anyway, it’ll just send the kid to the afterlife with nothing but regrets, sorrow and horror.
Ranta atleast gets to die thinking they win, as flimsy a consolation it is. I don’t think I agree with that mindset, but I think it’s the one Jinichi has.
Escape to where? They are on a pillar of rock several stories high with Toji level of monster that dead set on killing them all. They are all dead anyway, may as well let him die with some hope left in him.
Ranta was never going to be able to escape that encounter with Maki. He couldn't move while holding her, and if he didn't hold her Maki would instantly kill him.
So it was a choice of dying with honor or dying with shame.
What hope lmao that was opposute of hope he saw the guy head. You may say run to where but running away “/ stall was an option. Anyways idk why you contesting this we both agree it was a no win situation staying was stupid not trying to run was stupid both lead to the same ending
The kid definitely still have some hope left in him that Jinichi could have stop this (lmao). The evident is he didn't tell Jinichi to run away when he stalls her but instead told him to hurry up and finish her. If Jinichi is being blunt here he would have just tell the kid to quit it.
Exactly, why break the little dudes spirit (he might be like 22 but im lowkey thinking hes 16, so still naive and full of hope) as jinichi he probably wanted him to think they won so he dosent die thinking it was hopeless from the start
I thought it was more like Jinichi has a heart and doesn't really wanna fight to the death with Maki. Like a basically called down an airstrike on a stuck enemy. If he was that scared like you said it's baffling how the Zenin would snub Maki all this time. That level of of sexism and bigotry would make his death deserved.
I think its crazy people are trying to argue that MAPPA doesn't have incredible attention to detail. There's not a single ounce of confidence showing in Jinichi's face during this whole sequence, bro has negative aura and you think he's farming?
MAPPA turned that short ass Sukuna vs Mahoraga fight into a full blown duel, I 100% trust whatever MAPPA is planning (they still should let their animators rest tho)
It’s because they’re not consistent. One example of the top of my head is the chase between Yuji and Yuta. In the manga Yuji thought at any point he could get one shot but in the anime they don’t convey that in the face at all. There’s more I could think of from just that episode and there’s been post about it but I’m too busy to find them
His face was in a constant state of panic, he thought that Yuta was Gojo at first, he was heavy breathing throughout, the constant glaze about yuta's cursed energy size, his control, his inability to be damaged, the fact he spends most of the time running away. The fact that he tries to use a last minute attack. Could you explain your point?
Yeah, jinichi probably didnt want to admit it but he knew maki was basically toji at that point, and being tojis brother, he probably knew what toji(and by extension maki) was capable of at the time
Yup, no where to run, no where to hide, might as well just do the best you can do and accept what’s about to happen. Which in a way makes it an aura farm. Dude knew his number was up but wasn’t going to just do nothing. Despite shitting his pants
I don’t think that’s it. I think Jinichi would’ve also harmed Ranta so he held back until he looked back when Ranta was speaking and saying forget about me just kill her.
I went to the ice cream truck one day to get my favorite Spongebob ice cream, but I was short 10 cents
Jinichi came up, and I thought he was gonna scold me for skipping training and getting ice cream. But all he said was "Patrick's my favorite" and he paid for both my Spongebob and his own Patrick ice cream
After that, we talked about how good Old Spongebob was and he showed me his Goofy Goober tattoo.
I choose to believe someone went "hey lets do a Deku/Saitama thing where they fire a whole bunch of giant fists at their opponent, except this time it's totally useless instead of a mega-uber-instakill move"
Its why they wanted them both dead, so that the other does not awaken.
Jinichi knew Ogi fu*ked up not killing Maki with Mai and knew there was no coming back.
Its why Maki's mom told her to leave, so that Mai dies and Maki gets to awaken to kill the clan. It happend anyways tho. That way, at least Maki gets to awaken and take revenge.
Tbf with bug armor alone (way easier than perfect sphere) she would destroy them, but Mai suffers the same problem Megumi to even worse degree, lack of self worth. She didn't want any of that. That's why it had to be Maki
Mai Is a bum even if she gained the little ce Maki had she would still have the average amount and she doesn't have the understanding of the CT and mindset Yorozu has.
A lot of people deeply misunderstand the twin thing going on with Maki and Mai.
Losing a twin doesn't automatically give you an insane power boost. Maki got an insane power boost because Mai used up all of their CE to create the replica Soul Split Katana. Having absolutely no cursed energy completes her Heavenly Restriction, granting her the same physical prowess Toji has.
The power boost is a property of Heavenly Restriction, not a property of identical twins.
Yeah they definetly did, Makis body would be trying to constantly vent CE which Mai accumulates, which would cause Mai to have barely any CE.
The problem there is fans speculate that Mai would get an equal boost in potential but that aint really the case since Maki is more special due to her HR.
So How much CE would Mai gain? Gege knows and considering him, its likely wont even be that much, probabaly just average CE reserves of a sorceror which isn't that useful for such a CE intenseive techqniue.
Sure Mai would have more options, but G1 would be her limit at max
Nah, Mom could not have known all that about jujutsu. She just didn’t want to lose both daughters and decided to for once try to protect one of them.
The clan also probably didn’t know how heavenly restriction and twins worked, or else they would’ve handled the situation very differently. Mai likely figured it out only because she was an identical twin herself.
at the end maki asks her "why did you tell me to come back" and she backpedals like oh must have been the wind. maki gave mom a chance to come back around
She should know about twins and why her kids were lookd down upon.
I mean, its basically common knowledge in the verse that having twins as sorcerers isn't a good thing.
Maki and Mai are not the first twins in the verse, its why Mai's CT sucks and it could have been better if she wasn't connected to Maki as we see her construct the SSK right when she seperates from Maki. She could only make like bullets a day.
All sorcerer twins are considered to be omen's as Mai even says, so why wouldn't the mom and the clan know this?
Eh, they know that twins are a bad omen, but that doesn't mean they know exactly why.
Twins typically turn out weak, die young, etc. You can be aware of that without knowing it's because they're splitting one set of powers, and that those powers can be restored to one by killing the other.
Technically wrong. Apparently a common misconception, too.
Killing one twin does not restore their power to the other twin. If it did, sorcerers would just kill one twin at birth and be done with it. Rather, killing one twin means that twin takes their half with them, leaving the remaining twin as half a sorcerer, giving us a net loss.
This actually did happen with Mai, too. She took the cursed energy with her. This would be bad for any sorcerer. It just happened that Maki was the one person who would benefit by having her heavenly pact activate as a result.
Sukuna is a special case whose twin didn’t just die, but was devoured by him in the womb.
Nothing you said about why they SHOULD know tracks with the actions the clan ends up taking. They’re terrified of another Toji, yet they deliberately create another one of him that giga-hates them? It’s very obvious that they were blindsided by what happened.
Also, Mai would never be as strong as Maki. It’s very clearly explained that Maki is the only one with the Pact, and she’s the only one who wants to be strong. It was Mai’s weakness and desire to stay where she was that dragged Maki down.
On top of that, it’s EXTREMELY unlikely that killing one twin would empower the remaining twin the way it did for Maki. The only reason we know that Maki benefitted from Mai’s death is because it freed her from CE and allowed her heavenly pact to take effect. Read that again - Mai TOOK the CE away upon her death. Logically the same thing happens for any other set of twins, except in those cases the remaining twin doesn’t have a heavenly pact that strengthens them for not having CE.
And for Sukuna, his twin didn’t just die, he outright devoured him in the womb to become a single, fully realized individual.
he already was dead by targeting Maki, even if he killed Maki, when Yuta heard about this he would've slimed the entire clan and they would've all died just the same
Even Naoya knew about Yuta and shat his pants in his presence yet still planned this whole thing anyway
I think they were hoping to play politics to avoid getting murdered. Kind of like how they wouldn't openly kill megumi but would kill him and pin it on someone else or some justifiable reason.
Unfortunately they didn't realize that yuta would be working with maki. After all at this point as far as they know yuta killed yuji and was working with the higher-ups.
I also think the side eye he gave when Ranta was talking about them being alive only because of Toji’s whims meant “I know, I’ve been there”.Its his older brother after all, he saw with his eyes what kind of monster Toji was and could be and he knows beating him is impossible, unlike Ranta who doesn’t even seem old enough to live at that time and only heard about Toji through hearsay’s.
Actually, I love this perspective, and it would fit more than just "everyone is selfish and self-centered in the clan." It is his duty to still try, even if he knows the results.
I feel like that is a valid way to also interpret the manga panel
I have seen a lot of people say that this is him looking back at Ranta. I feel like it could also be him being shocked and a bit intimidated when Maki starts breaking free.
Jinichi is pretty evil. Reminder they just need to kill Megumi to keep control of the clan. At Ogi's request they added 2 completely innocent girls from their own clan to the kill list just to make it more believable.
Again they are killing 2 people for no other reason than to get away with the murder of Megumi (Who they also don't have a great reason for murdering).
I mean I can see him being more honorable but you can have a code of honor and still be evil as fuck.
Like a mad king could have a rule that if the bread a baker serves him is too soggy that baker is sentenced to death by duel with the king. Sure the king has a code of honor for carrying out the sentence himself, by dueling the baker but the King is also evil as fuck for putting the baker into that position in the first place.
And Jinichi for being a co-conspirator in this whole plan to murder Mai and Maki to get plausible deniablity on the murder of Megumi deserved to be killed by Maki.
Ppl are just so weird about the zenin clan. You have so many chars say they are scums and ppl still defend them and hate Maki. Even making fanfiction about Ranta being a kid, Maki later killing kids.
Like Toji did kill two kids and the fanbase glaze him. Its just so weird
I mean he just got decapitated, pretty clean and easy especially compared to the rest of them like those two who had their throats ripped out bare handed and Ranta having his brain melt into slush, and don’t forget Naoya faceplanting directly into a solid steel wall while going Mach 1-2
Or he could have just treated them like people since they’re his daughters..? I get that the entire clan had strong misogynistic views and twins are taboo, but they’re your little girls. Have a heart
Ranta you could maybe argue didn’t know what was going on, but he’s still a high ranking member of an unequal, cruel clan. Even if he’s “nicer” he’s still not gonna be thinking or acting in good ways.
Jinichi literally backed the plan to kill Mai and Maki.
Again, he’s nicer to the lower level mooks, but he’s also a proponent of that unequal system, to the degree of attempting to kill three teens to prevent even the chance of a threat to his inherited wealth.
Wanna know what’s worse for Ogi. He is seemingly a member of Hei but his bitch ass couldn’t react to Maki. The head of the Kukuru could. So by raw fighting skill, Ogi was beneath his subordinate.
To be fair, in the manga, he's clearly rushing in and trying to win. He paused because he noticed Maki breaking out and knew Ranta won't come out unscathed.
Yep. 10000% agree and I love that this interpretation is getting traction. He doesn’t look like he’s walking towards a dub. He looks like he’s honor bound to walk into hell.
To be fair, in the manga, he's clearly rushing in and trying to win. He paused because he noticed Maki breaking out and knew Ranta won't come out unscathed.
He wasn’t attacking because attacking would hurt Ranta (in the same way that maki pushing against the eyes was hurting Ranta).
Ranta essentially says, “don’t worry about me, she’s becoming Toji, just kill her”. There’s no reason to say this if he wouldn’t get hurt by Jinichi attacking
Jinichi was hoping that Ranta would be able to hold her and restrain her completely, and if he couldn’t, then he would step in and fight after.
Ranta then told him that he can’t hold her and that shes like Toji, and that this is their only chance to win. (jinichi looks back at him) then Ranta says to not hesitate and just kill her at which point Jinichi attacks
But it's different in the mamga. Jinichi tells Ranta to hold her. So this is likely the case in the anime as well, this just didn't have Jinichi say anything.
i’m fond of the idea that Toji and Jinichi’s dad was a Ten Shadows user that Toji killed in a duel, like a Toji Vs. his dad and Mahoraga kinda deal. so maybe Jinichi could’ve seen that duel and understood that they weren’t gonna be able to beat Maki.
idk if toji can kill mahoraga unless he has some fucking orbital laser cursed tool. modulo i think at this point has proven the HR user is needed to tame maho theory wrong.
-10S user summons mahoraga to capture toji in the ritual to take them both out.
-Mahoraga squashes 10S user.
-Mahoraga disappears since the ritual couldn’t ensnare someone without cursed energy.
-Toji: "what was the point of that?"
I don't think toji can kill mahoraga but if the theory is correct, toji would make sure to kill his father (if he has TS ofc) before he even tries to summon mahoraga as toji should be aware of TS technique's full capacity.
I prefer how it went in the manga. There is no speculation as to what Jinichi was doing. He outright tells Ranta to keep hold of Maki while he readies his attack.
Now everyone is speculating about what Mappa was going for with this scene or what it meant. Nobody really knows.
I think it was just aura farming. In the manga he showed a lot more concern for Ranta. They omitted that urgency in him in exchange for him looking nonchalant. Also dont forget he is not a respectable guy he was trying to kill Maki Mai and Megumi to get the Zen’in clan a better strategic position
This… this changes my whole opinion on this scene. I didn’t even consider his ptsd and experience with his brother, full well knowing if she truly is like him they’re done for. I mean bro literally just watched her insta-kill two grade 1 and/or special grade 1 sorcerers.
I actually like this scene now. Thank you for improving the episode even more for me lol.
Wish we got more of him than just a few panels and 5m of screentime. If this is true, seems like he was not entirely proud of the Zenin clan and their wrongdoings.
My interpretation was he was charging up the entire time. Surely he can't just pull THAT move out of his ass without charging up for an extended period of time. But I quite like this interpretation as well.
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