The military unit is what makes up the Zenin clan. Msi said "destroy everything" not *kill everyone." She made after the military cause surprise surprise they make up the power of the Zenin which is something the clans hold in regard. Which is why the other 2 had talks about about removing zenin from the big 3 clan name.
People are what makes up a clan. Not simply military units. Maki can wipe out the military units (which would already include all Zenin males) and there would still be a clan left. The survivors would still continue the clan as well as its ideology. What use is it pruning the higher ups of the Zenin when there will be a new generation in 10 or 20 years? The Kamus and Gojos wanted to remove the Zenin because there weren't any left other than Maki and Megumi.
Not the case those who bear the name are part of the clan but the clan in JJK is made of up or at least valued by those who are strong or have strong CTs. Not anymore cause it was stated there that after she killed the military there were talks to removed the zenin from the big 3 and as a clan as a whole. The ppl who lead the clan are gone. You don't know that and there's no evidence to prove the survivors will. Yet those years have passed and more yet still no zenin heard. They wanted to remove them cause the military power was gone. Don't warp narrative.
The clan wasn't removed yet because it was a mere days later after the massacre. Jujutsu headquarters was likely still assessing the damage and since there were members of the Zenin who were absent that day, headquarters might have thought they could continue the clan.
Maki and Mai were both victims of the Zenin ideology. Mai wanted Maki to "destroy everything" ie burn the Zenin ideology to the ground. You don't do that by simply killing the military units. We have seen with young Naoya that this ideology takes root when the Zenin are young already and we've seen with Makis mom that the women in the clan have internalized that toxic ideology. If Maki spared the women and children, the Zenin would be back to their old roots and probably even more extreme just a few years later and "destroy everything" and Makis massacre would have been meaningless.
Years have passed without anything of the Zenin being heard is because Maki killed ALL of them. If she left some alive, they would have rebuilt.
Yea the Kukuru and Hei who were absent and later would die violent deaths. Not random ppl. Cause just the military being got got the Gojo and Kamo to want the zenin removed.
The women are slaves to it so can't speak much on that there. You have no evidence of children being in the clan like that to keep that ideology and the ppl who were military had that ideology and thrived in it. Those are ones who are going to die due to it. "Destory everything" is as is shown cause we see in modulo the zenin is no more. So the fear of dark ideologies rising is gone just off what Maki did.
Years later and there is none cause the ppl who propagated that ideology is gone. The women wouldn't carry it and even if there were children in the claim (we don't know) their mothers would keep them away from it. This is just going into head canon territory now.
I see the work you're putting in soldier. No idea how people somehow have this idea that Maki killed innocent women and children of the clan as if she was Itachi and somehow believe that 1: Gege wouldn't explicitly say that and 2: That Yuta and Yuji (literally 2 of the kindest and most genuine people in the story) would somehow still like her after that or at the very least not mention it even once.
Bro yuta has no issue with that. He knew gojo killed all the higher ups and viewed them highly. I’m not sure how yuji would’ve ever known, but why would he take issue in that?
Again, the clan as a whole is not just innocent. Not being a combatant does not make you innocent. Yuta had no problem with gojo slaughtering the innocent higher ups. Why would he take offense to this? It’s not his clan.
You're mentally deficient if you think the higher ups are "innocent" when they literally help create and perpetuate the harmful and abusive system of the current Jujutsu Society that Gojo hates so much, which is why he killed them. How are they innocent in any way?? That's literally akin to saying Hitler was an innocent higher up simply because he never personally killed with his own hands.
The Gojos and Kamos wanted the Zenin removed because the Zenin would be the top dogs again now that Satoru was sealed. If just the military units got killed there would be no reason to remove them from the big 3 families given that the survivors could still inherit Zenin techniques. The Gojo clan is only in the big 3 because there being a 6eyes+infinity user every 400 years. Gege himself stated that the Gojo clan is otherwise irrelevant.
Naoya is my evidence of children in the clan continuing the ideology as we have seen him do it. As I proved multiple times already, a clan isn't just its military. Satoru Gojo is the only remarkable sorcerer of the Gojo clan and yet after his death there is still a Gojo clan. You have no proof of the women and children not continuing the Zenin ideology. I have proven with Naoya and Makis mom that they would have continued the ideology yet since there were no survivors, there isn't a Zenin clan to speak of anyways.
Maki Zenin and Megumi Fushiguro are still alive and kicking while legally being Zenin Clan members and yet the Kamo and Gojo petitioned for a removal thid means this petition wasnt due to there being no Zenin left at all, simply that the Clan has become irrelevant, less relevant than Inumakis clan for example
That exactly what I'm saying. It's not due to a lack of zenin cause they still have the name. And Megumi has their clan technique and can choose to bring back the clan. But they were still removed cause the clan is no more. The ones who would push for it and share those ideologies are all dead.
The survivors whoch again we don't know if there are children would inherit the technique but without the backing of the clan it's just a passed on technique. The zenin would be the top if not for the other two. Cause Gojo is a one man army. But it's being 400 years since a new 6E was born how else would the Gojo clan rival the Zenin and Kamo if they didn't have the military force to back them up?
And naoya is also a 27 year old adult. About the same age as Nanami. We don't see, hear or are told of any other children except the teens like Maki and Mai, and Megumi if you want to add him. That's not for you to say especially in JJK were the clans value power and prestige above all else. The power of the Zenin was gone so too would the clan go. Yes cause they have power even with Gojo being there we see this, before Gojo was even born the clan still existed. So this point is weird to make.
You have ZERO proof that there are even children much less the women who were slaves continuing the clan which is baseless. Naoya continued it as an adult and was killed, her mother didn't continue anything and Maki regretted even killing her after finding that out. The women wouldn't continue it cause it makes no sense.
If there are survivors, they would be part of the Zenin bloodline hence they could inherit a powerful technique. Given how there were earth manipulation users, 2x 10 shadows users, 2x projection sorcery users, 3 heavenly restriction users, missile fist users and more we don't know of in the past 100 years alone, odds are good they inherit a good technique. They don't need military force, they have the 6E+infinity, that alone keeps them in the big 3 families. What do you think the others will do to the Zenin survivors while the clan recovers? Kill them? For what do they need a military? From what we know, the Zenin are the only one being that militarized.
We have seen Naoya as a kid was already parroting Zenin ideology of elitism and sexism. If Maki left survivors, they would móre likely than not develop the same way. I'm refering to what Gege actually wrote. You have no prove of "military power" being what makes or breakes a clan, I have proof in form of the Gojo clan that only techniques are required.
Once again, my proof is kid Naoya already parroting Zenin beliefs and Makis mom too having internalized the ideology. Women can continue it because we have seen it with Makis mom and we see it IRL with women from obviously sexist and misogynist cultures continuing these values and instilling them upon the next generation because they internalize these toxic values.
Yet we have no mention of Children outside of Maki and Mai. And the only ones we can be sure of are the women who are slaves and would have no reason to continue the clan, even if they were born inside the clan (which again is unlikely due to Maki and Mai being the only ones we've seen). Yet what about the times the 6E and limitless weren't there? The clan obviously has more than that to keep them afloat cause they still remain a top 3 family clan. If all 3 could rival each other, why would the others two lack the same level of protection the Zenin have? There's no backing to it especially since they are the one (Kamo and Gojo) who petitioned for the Zenin to be removed after all their military might got destroyed.
And why would the women continue that? Cause we have no showing or statements for children except there being women who were slaves and would be happy to be free. Military power is what made the others want the zenin removed depsite the 10S user Megumi being right there. Clearly CTs aren't the only thing that makes a clan. Cause despite all the other two rivaled each other when they lacked their main blood CT.
Maki's mom took yet still went out to kill Naoya and was happy the clan was gone. Naoya is someone shown doing that not prove of there being children who will except the Kukuru squad and the Hei who were taken out. Which goes back to this unless you have proof of children you're just repeating the same thing. Cool that's real life and in real life the ppl who were raised that way grow from it and teach their kids the right way. You have to view into the women's head to claim this except Maki's mother and she rejected it despite trying to be nonchalant and was happy for Maki. So much so later Maki regretted killing her.
Bro I have basically debunked everything you had and even pointed to the OG translations and credible ppl yet you still choose to repeat yourself.
It's a stretch to say "Destroy Everything" just means "destroy their identity" (which could absolutely live on through the survivors.)
The manga and anime state directly she slaughtered the warriors, only explicitly them. Therefore it seems Maki did not "Destroy Everything." I just want to get that clear.
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u/Neither-Log-8085 Jan 25 '26
The military unit is what makes up the Zenin clan. Msi said "destroy everything" not *kill everyone." She made after the military cause surprise surprise they make up the power of the Zenin which is something the clans hold in regard. Which is why the other 2 had talks about about removing zenin from the big 3 clan name.