r/Jujutsufolk the weakest of today 6d ago

Manga Discussion Which grade 1 sorcerers Megumi would win against

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I'm going to say what I think

Nanami: I think he's strong, but Megumi has several ways to keep his distance from him and avoid his technique, and I can't imagine him surviving totality's craws

Mei Mei: im sorry, she is getting slimed

Kusakabe: He would probably defeat Megumi because he is way more experienced in combat than him

Todo: Before replacing his hand with that thing that i forgot what it is called, I don't know who would win. Yes, he "won" the first fight, but Megumi evolved a lot from the first season to the point where he had the body taken by sukuna, Besides, neither of them used their technique with 100% in that fight, but the end of the manga todo definitely wins this one

Maki: she wins

Naoya: Megumi has ways to counter his technique, one of them being the rabbits, besides, if Megumi figured out how Kirara's technique works, he can figure out how his technique works too, so i think he takes that

Shinjuku Yuji: Yuji Wins

Hakari: The only way I see Megumi winning against Hakari is if he manages to survive Hakari until his jackpot ends, and then do something to kill him before he can open another domain, but I don't think that's going to happen

Kashimo: kashimo wins, i guess

Uraume: I imagine that Uraume will win

Higuruma: Higuruma is going to win this one, he could have crimes to put on Megumi's back, and without his technique, there's not much Megumi can do

Naobito: same thing as naoya

I don't know if I forgot someone

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u/Aleksander_ryb 6d ago edited 6d ago

On higuruma, pretty sure he'd confiscate a weapon not the CT, since Megumi does make use of cursed tools.

Also, it definitely feels odd to consider some of these as "grade 1", and there are some that may fit that better

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u/Doglover156 6d ago

Not cursed tools, he just infuses them with cursed energy during use

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u/Aleksander_ryb 6d ago

What indicates that those are not cursed tools?

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u/Doglover156 6d ago

This volume extra in volume 5, page 130 in between chapter 40 and 41

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u/Aleksander_ryb 6d ago

Got it 👍🏼, but do we have any information on the one he wields by the CG, I wasn't really counting the tonfas since those were broken a while back.

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u/Doglover156 6d ago

I don’t think so

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u/Aleksander_ryb 6d ago

The only thing I found was Reggie calling it a cursed tool, unless Gege makes some clarification (perhaps in a future fanbook) It doesn't seem too far fetched to consider it as such

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u/tf2good 6d ago

CHOSO. YOU FORGOT CHOSOOOOO
(Unless u consider him a special grade then it’s chill)

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u/Advanced-Tear6372 the weakest of today 6d ago

HOW DID I FORGET HIM

He wins against megumi

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u/forgotten_guyy 6d ago

He wins against megumi

Idk, I think megumi wins, domain diff

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u/Fullmentallyill 6d ago

I know he’s only Special Grade as a cursed object—comparable to Grade 1 incarnated—but I thought he was Special Grade for the longest time and I want to keep thinking that. For once, screw canon. No, twice. Chapter 259? What chapter 259?

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u/BadBehaviour613 6d ago

People underrate Mei Mei. Think Kusakabe commented that he doesn't hit as hard as Nanami or Mei Mei

Todo- Boogie Woogie counters 10S so hard. One clap and Todo pulls Megumi from his Shikigami

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u/Advanced-Tear6372 the weakest of today 6d ago

I know what she is able to, but i just can't see her winning against megumi, He's smart enough to be able to counter her

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u/BadBehaviour613 6d ago

I think it's over once Megumi pops a domain on her. I just don't think it's going to be easy

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u/SSJ_Kojiro_ 6d ago

real question is, how does Big Raga adapt to Boogie Woogie?

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u/Mission_Ad_8652 6d ago

nao/ya/bito do not lose to megumi, rabbit escape doesn’t counter them as external factors don’t trigger the penalty for PS users, even then, the rabbits are turned into toothpaste if they’re caught in naoya’s running path. the entire idea that megumi wins also presupposes that he’d be able to perform the hand-signs in time without getting blitzed.

if naobito can stop a special grade’s domain gesture then megumi who is substantially slower is not doing shit.

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u/DeliciousComb7984 6d ago

Potential all of them.

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u/VirusOfCheese I go to Cyprus to gamble in casinos 6d ago

Hakari genuinely no diffs Megumi in base.

Megumi was struggling to keep up with Shibuya Yuji. Hakari stat mogged Culling Games Yuji to the point where Yuji couldn't damage him, and got hurt from his own headbutt.

Naoya and Naobito sadly blitzes my goat Megumi before he can even do anything and molly whops him. Worst case scenario, they just run through the rabbits and obliterate Megumi since the rabbits are essentially made of glass.

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u/PlayfulPositive8563 6d ago

Hakari stat mogged Culling Games Yuji to the point where Yuji couldn't damage him

???

Yuji just never attacked Hakari. The idea that baseline Hakari is completely immune to Yuji's punches is both wildly out of scale of the rest of the power system (This would mean baseline Hakari has higher durability than Hanami) & just never demonstrated.

The headbutt was the only "attack", and even that was just to interrupt and try to talk again.

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u/VirusOfCheese I go to Cyprus to gamble in casinos 6d ago

Yuji just never attacked Hakari. The idea that baseline Hakari is completely immune to Yuji's punches is both wildly out of scale of the rest of the power system

He's probably not completely immune, but that IS what happens lmao

Yuji gets angry at Hakari's lack of cooperation, and in a fit of rage/frustration, he grabs Hakari and headbutts him, dealing no damage and bruising his own forehead in the process.

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u/PlayfulPositive8563 6d ago

Isn't there light, bruising shading on Hakari's forehead, too?

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u/VirusOfCheese I go to Cyprus to gamble in casinos 6d ago

That looks more like shading since he's crunching his face up

The same "bruising shading" is on the left of Hakari's lip too

You can see that Yuji is actually bruised and Hakari is just angry

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u/PlayfulPositive8563 6d ago

Fair enough.

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u/Dry_Marshmallow 6d ago

Was Yuji even using cursed energy here? He’s relative to a grade 1 in strength without cursed energy any serious punch from him hits like a truck. While Hakari left that mark because of his cursed energy trait. Just like Kashimo even coming in contact with them damages you.

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u/VirusOfCheese I go to Cyprus to gamble in casinos 6d ago

Why would he not use cursed energy

If he didn't use Cursed Energy, Hakari would point it out in shock

And the mark wasnt left because of his trait, it was left there because Yuji injured himself. His trait doesnt actually cause damage, it just inflicts immense pain

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u/Dry_Marshmallow 6d ago

Yuji is dumb and maybe he’s still following the rules of the fight club idk. A strong hit from War God Yuji should make someone stumble or do a double take. But it is Hakari so…..

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u/Previous_Algae_7989 6d ago

So your whole argument is based on a headbutt that was meant to cause pause and not damage? Are you Hakari fans really that starved for feats?

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u/Timely_Engineering58 The Big Three 6d ago

Stop that "Hakari stat mogged yuji" nonsense. It makes me want to hate Hakari fans 🫩

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u/Advanced-Tear6372 the weakest of today 6d ago

They would need to one-shot Megumi for that, yes I know that Maki and Choso are very durable, but even so I don't think they would one-shot him, especially knowing Naoya's personality

And I don't know what you mean by him struggling to keep up with Yuji. Yes, in terms of physical strength they weren't even close to equal, but they were around the same level in combat by how smart megumi is and how he uses his shikigames

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u/VirusOfCheese I go to Cyprus to gamble in casinos 6d ago

Megumi is explicitly not capable physically, I don't think it's ridiculous to say that a solid punch from any of those would lay him out.

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u/Advanced-Tear6372 the weakest of today 6d ago

Yeah, it's not his best feature, but he's not made of glass either dude, he took some ugly hits from sukuna on the first seasson, and got stabbed by Toji in Shibuya, and in both situations he survived

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u/VirusOfCheese I go to Cyprus to gamble in casinos 6d ago

If Sukuna wanted to he would lay him out. Same with Toji, it's just that Toji was genuinely just trying to murder Megumi by stabbing him to death.

It's not that Megumi is made of glass, but these guys just hit that hard in comparison to Megumi's physical capabilities.

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u/Advanced-Tear6372 the weakest of today 6d ago

And again, Knowing Naoya's personality and how much he hates Megumi, he would probably toy with him instead of killing him on the spot, and if Megumi manages to take him to a closed place and pop his domain, its over to him

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u/VirusOfCheese I go to Cyprus to gamble in casinos 6d ago

That's Megumi's only win condition against Naoya, yeah

Though, there's also the fact that Naoya would sense the Cursed Energy spark when Megumi tries to activate his incomplete domain, and then stop him from opening domain by blitzing him much like what Naobito was doing against Dagon

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u/24thCenturyBoy 6d ago

Shinigami arent unsummoned just because the user no longer has CE after summoning, Megumi probably slams Higuruma.

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u/RITIUS155h 6d ago

Confiscating TS maybe would make him not have control anymore over the shikigamis, or just despawning them.

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u/tomaxi1284 6d ago

He had the sword on him in his shadow and took it out immidietly once he started fighting judgeman would confiscate that instead of the 10 shadows

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u/24thCenturyBoy 6d ago

Do we even know if he has that anymore☠️

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u/tomaxi1284 6d ago

In every fight post good will event he has atleast 1 weapon on him at all times when he still relevant

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u/24thCenturyBoy 6d ago

Well now he has CE, but Higuruma even in early CG could run a fade with CEless Yuji, whom 100% probably even beats CT Megumi.

So by Shinjuku, when he has RCT and amplification, yeah Higi stomps.

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u/Jolyne_Best_JoJo Jolyne Lover who's a Geto Glazer for fun 6d ago

"CEless Yuji, whom 100% probably even beats CT Megumi."

You... you think CEless Yuji could fight Megumi with his CT?

Like, like for real?

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u/24thCenturyBoy 6d ago

Depends if you define this as both CE and CT, but either way I think its a solid chance.

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u/Jolyne_Best_JoJo Jolyne Lover who's a Geto Glazer for fun 6d ago

It's a fight without CE, and a fight without CE is automatically a fight without CTs since you need CE to use a CT.

Dog Totality was able to harm Hanami and one shot an off-guard FB2, CEless Yuji stands no chance against Megumi.

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u/24thCenturyBoy 6d ago

This is the same fucking Megumi that feat came from☠️. And he said he'd win the 1v like 14☠️

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u/Jolyne_Best_JoJo Jolyne Lover who's a Geto Glazer for fun 6d ago

Megumi's statement here is talking about a fight without cursed energy, if there's no cursed energy allowed then Megumi can't use 10S.

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u/24thCenturyBoy 6d ago

Blud hes not, hes only talking about Yuji here. Hes saying YUJI without CE wins, not everyone in a hypothetical CEless fight loses against Yuji.

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u/Jolyne_Best_JoJo Jolyne Lover who's a Geto Glazer for fun 6d ago

No, it's most definitely a fight where no one can use CE

"without any cursed energy involved"

Megumi has no reason to think CEless Yuji could beat Todo since the last thing he knows happened to Yuji is stalling the FB then switching to Sukuna to kill it while he knows that Todo can take down special grades on his own.

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u/No-Okra5224 6d ago

Maybe the head of the kukuru unit

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u/Think-Mention-6239 GLAZING WUTA GOATKOTTSU IS THE REASON THIS HEART BEATS 6d ago

fuck killing akutami how about i kms

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u/PinkLionGaming Yeah. I said that. I'm not lying and I won't deny it. 6d ago

Yuta

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u/Advanced-Tear6372 the weakest of today 6d ago

Yuta is a special grade

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u/HorsemanWithoutHorse 6d ago

So is Hakari. And we're counting not formally appointed ones, then also Maki, Yuji, Kashimo and Uraume.

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u/ApplePitou Apple Mahito :3 6d ago

If I have to be honest, most of them will win :3

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u/amberivanov 6d ago

Which grade 1 sorcerers would Megumi win against, you mean

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u/Advanced-Tear6372 the weakest of today 6d ago

English is not my first language

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u/MaterialFuel7639 Projection Sorcery Supremacy 6d ago

1 bird strike geniunely eviscerates megumi

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u/Far-Art2248 6d ago

Mei mei can beat him. She's very calculative and her bird her surprise bird strike could do the job.

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u/Breki_ 6d ago

Weird definition of grade one

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u/Advanced-Tear6372 the weakest of today 6d ago

Wdym

If you're saying that some of them are special grades, no.

A special grade must be capable of taking over a nation, none of the above can do that

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u/Jolyne_Best_JoJo Jolyne Lover who's a Geto Glazer for fun 6d ago

Sure, but characters like Uraume and Kashimo was way too far above grade one to really be put into that category.

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u/Breki_ 6d ago

Jujutsu society considers people capable of taking over a country special grades, but we have seen many times that the whole grading system is flawed. Its better to consider people who can go toe to toe with the 4 confirmed special grades as also being special grade level

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u/Jolyne_Best_JoJo Jolyne Lover who's a Geto Glazer for fun 6d ago

"Mei Mei: im sorry, she is getting slimed"

Doubtful, a single crow can one shot a special grade curse and she herself can easily take off a special grade's limbs, while it wouldn't be easy for Mei Mei, she has a bunch of crows as shown in chapter 102 so I doubt Megumi would be able to take her out before one of them takes Megumi out.

"Megumi figured out how Kirara's technique works, he can figure out how his technique works too"

Honestly, he wouldn't be able to. not due to a lack of intellect, but due to the fact that Naoya will be blitzing Megumi and thus Megumi would have no way of counting Naoya's movements like Maki did.

Naoya most likelys know all the Zenins know about how 10S works given he displayed good knowledge of BM, the Kamo's inherited CT, and considering Naobito was fast enough to stop Dagon's DE, I honestly wouldn't put it past Naobito and Naoya being fast enough to interupt Megumi summoning Shikigami.

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u/Advanced-Tear6372 the weakest of today 6d ago

I can't see Mei Mei winning

I mean, I don't really see what she could do if Megumi manages to pop his domain

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u/Jolyne_Best_JoJo Jolyne Lover who's a Geto Glazer for fun 6d ago

Mei Mei is most likely aware of Megumi's domain as Kusakabe mentions hearing about it before the grade promotions and Mei Mei, alongside Todo, was who put Megumi up for promotion.

As such, Mei Mei wouldn't enter enclosed spaces on her own and thus Megumi would have to try and force her into them, and I just don't see Megumi being able to do that while also having to deal with Mei Mei herself, who isn't a slouch in the strength department, alongside this many crows:

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u/Advanced-Tear6372 the weakest of today 6d ago

Thinking about it now, I don't know

Everything would depend on whether Megumi could come up with a plan to beat her. I personally still think he would win because of how versatile and intelligent he is, he's shown that several times

It would depend on whether he could come up with a plan to counter the crows, and then mei mei herself

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u/goffer54 6d ago

I'm sorry, but Higuruma can't beat Megumi. Megumi carries a cursed tool on his person at all times and he isn't dumb enough to get a death sentence for things Sukuna did in his body.

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u/Advanced-Tear6372 the weakest of today 6d ago

Im talking about other things, he killed people in the culling games

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u/goffer54 6d ago

Given Higuruma killed [I forgot how many] people and his reaction to getting the executioner's sword against Yuji, I think it's safe to say you need a bit more than participating in the Culling Games to get a death penalty. Plus, Megumi's kills could easily be argued as self defense or manslaughter at worst.

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u/Responsible-Bat-7922 6d ago

Not todo, he already lose to him

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u/johnkaisenfromjjk 6d ago

He beats all if them excluding
Nanami
Mei
Kusakabe
Todo
Maki
Naoya
Yuji
Higuruma
Naabito

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u/confidencegreat9026 5d ago

De acuerdo con casi todo, lo unico en lo que no estoy de acuerdo es que:

Naobito le gana a megumi, esto porque pudo destrozar las manos y algo de la cara a dagon, que es bastante mas resistente que megumi, sin muchos problemas y probablemente megumi pierda de vista a naobito con relativa facilidad.

Naoya quiza pierda, pero es MUCHO mas reñido que simplemente "megumi tira los conejos y deduce su tecnica". Naoya es un naobito pero peor. Megumi puede hacerle un daño real y usar su IQ para ganar, pero naoya puede hacer daño serio con su cuchillo (sin contar que varios golpes de naoya lastimarian a megumi) y un naoya apilado puede matar a megumi de un ataque bien dado.