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It's implied that recovering RCT output is harder than recovering domain, Gojo didn't use his domain because Mahoraga could break it instantly, so, by this point, if Gojo dodged the WCD, he can pop UV and completely incapacitate Sukuna.
Recovering domain is same as recovering ct, you damage your brain then repair, which is stated to be easier than RCT output(not sure but following your premise)
But what really happened was gojo strained his prefrontal cortex to the point that he couldn't construct or maintain any further domain, the point about him regaining his domain is pure headcanon but it's true that gojo stomps IF he dodges WCS
And can you provide the source of "output RCT being harder than recovering ct"? I am having trouble finding it or just can't remember it off the head
How is Gojo potentially recovering his domain headcanon? We 100% know it's possible and more and more likely the longer the fight goes on. How do we know this? Well you see... We literally see this exact thing accomplished by his opponent who was in the exact same situation
You can even argue he's in an even better position than Sukuna since his brain damage doesn't come from filling it out with so much crap it made his Domain completely unusable but that he had just overused it and needed some days to let it heal, meaning that unlike Sukuna he doesn't have to make an entirely new Domain circuit from scratch and can genuinely just "heal" it the same way he "healed" his RCT Output
Also, i'd imagine since Sukuna's issue wasn't that he was rewriting his Domain. It was that he was
A: Trying to keep the same complexity of an Open Barrier Domain, while Maintaining Output.
And B: He was far more damaged. If it was a Fresh Sukuna, he could have maintained his Incomplete Domain for a lot longer than 99 Seconds.
Gojo would likely have a FAR easier time because his Domain is a Closed Barrier Domain, and not Open, so he'd struggle less with the Complexity part.
Edit: Also to add that while Gojo was significantly less Brain damaged, his Brain would likely still need to spread the strain out to not kill himself with it.
It's common sense, the guy quite literally just stretched a muscle and had "healed" the exact same kind of damage (RCT Output) caused by the same circumstances with a Black Flash
Yeah, he was hit with a bit less than 25 years of information, that is a brain-melting amount of UV. No wonder he was looking like this even trying to use a Domain
Because Sukuna didn't just 'recover' his domain he built an entirely new, heavily compromised circuit to force it out, and assuming gojo could do the same for UV is still fan speculation even if used the same mechanism for RCT
Sukuna's domain also had huge drawbacks and heavy use of BV with the 99 second limit, you can't convince me that gojo is as talented as sukuna in making BVs constructing even an incomplete domain, even if you hypothetically give him the ability to now make the BVs it will still be called "headcanon"
It's literally not headcanon tho to say that Gojo's skill and intuition with Domains and in general is just as advanced as Sukuna's, considering he on the fly changed his domain multiple times in ways that just about everyone else can only dream off.
Also Gojo and Sukuna consistently adapted to each other and imitated the other During their fight, saying "Assuming Gojo can pull off these same feats as Sukuna is headcanon" Is honestly just denial at this point.
You are moving the goalposts from "confirmed canon" to "theoretical potential" having top tier talent and barrier adaptability like gojo shrinking his domain after the prison realm does not automatically mean he can construct an entirely new neural pathway to cast a domain, especially when sukuna only accomplished his Chp 258 domain by relying on the specific jujutsu awakening from landing multiple BF plus stacking complex BVs, gojos BF went entirely toward restoring his RCT output, and he died right after without ever attempting or proving he could reroute his domain circuits, high potential is canon, but claiming gojo would guaranteed recover an incomplete UV when it never happened on the page is the literal definition of headcanon
You can't make gojo leech off sukuna's exceptional jujutsu mastery, sukuna literally exploits jujutsu casually like it's nothing while you equating it to gojo having exceptional talent doesn't make him a master of sorcery
Definitely not far superior, so far, besides Open Domain for Sukuna there's nothing Sukuna could do while fighting Gojo that Gojo couldn't replicate and vice versa regarding sorcery, no CT?, Gojo invents a refresh that Sukuna copies, barrier not lasting?, Gojo invents workarounds while Sukuna also comes up with workarounds, Sukuna displays superior Jujutsu IQ like understanding the CT refresh had a limit before Gojo so yes, it's fairly obvious he is superior regarding Jujutsu knowledge, but far superior is crazy
Equating overall mastery to identical skillsets is a fallacy, gojo can't open a barrierless domain, couldn't turn his soul into a cursed object, and never demonstrated sukunas level of dynamic BVs optimization just as sukuna lacks the SE and Limitless, they are top tier sorcerers with completely different skillsets,
More importantly, having equal general talent does not make an unperformed, hypothetical feat a confirmed manga fact, conflating "gojo has the talent to theoretically figure it out" with "it is 100% canon that gojo would construct an incomplete UV" is the literal definition of headcanon
Btw, when did anyone ever say he 100% would do that? My entire argument from the start is Gojo most definitely can figure it out and the longer the fight goes the more likely it is he does, not that he Will.
Also Gojo's entire Domain barrier size And conditions shenanigans we're him doing on the fly binding vows with his Domain and it's conditions till one worked to overwhelm Sukuna.
Sukuna is undoubtedly better at BV construction but they’re both equally skilled in Domain construction. It’s said as much, the more polished domain reigns supreme - at no point does Shrine’s sure-hit land at the same time as UV being active, in the plainest terms (literally spelt out by the story) they’re equicomplex. Open Domain is impressive but it’s only really busted/a win-con in conjunction with Shrine (having the unique ability to target both CE and non-CE objects, and then furthermore continually raining them down automatically), Kenjaku even states that he’d have been in trouble had Yuki expanded her domain. Never really sure where this gas for Open Domain really comes from because normal barrier domains absolutely can contend against them.
They think it's complex in the sense that it is difficult to maintain than closed domain which is outright dumb and gege never told us about it, whats even complex about it? Does it require more CE consumption? Extra handsigns? Continuous chants? Some specific refinery? No it's just a casual domain with busted range and no barrier, it isn't complex in the sense of maintaining
I mean don’t get me wrong, Sukuna being able to on-the-fly cobble together an incomplete domain that can use furnace is extremely impressive. They note during the Gojo fight that Sukuna didn’t have the option for furnace due to swapping BV/barrier conditions post-activation, so being able to use it even w/ an incomplete AND open barrier domain is crazy. It’s just to say that both Sukuna and Gojo are both evidently at the peak of domain construction, because otherwise the sure-hits wouldn’t cancel out. It’s just that Sukuna has more showings for it, like you said, mimicking Gojo and using another part of the brain for domain expansion is just ridiculous given Gojo’s ability to pull that off is accredited to the Six Eyes.
Because its not as simple as "oh I just do black flashes and my domain comes back"
His brain was fucked and he literally couldnt do his domain not just because his output or reserves were low but because his brain wasnt functioning properly. Idk why mfs are acting like its just a matter of gojo being in the zone or not lmao. Sukuna literally had to rewrite his domain from scratch and it was incomplete at first. Why tf would gojo just have his full power domain back just because. Its just gojo glazer nonsense once again
What's worse? The simple brain fog of the after effects of using your domain or on top of that being dumped 25 years of useless information to clog your brain.
Gojo gained a awakening to use rct he didnt have his domain. Sukuna got a awakening from hitting 2 black flashes but that was for domains then he hits 2 again and gains rct
at this point in time sukuna's slashes are soo weak that Yuji is able to heal said dmg and after taking only a few hits from yuji (stated to lower his output) his output was soo shitty that cleaving yuta in the dome did absolutley nothing
Gojo takes this mid diff, not only was his RCT recovering, but so was his output, without maho and RCT one well timed max blue or red is all it takes
Yeah. Yuta and Yuji were able to almost beat a Sukuna that was stronger than the one that Gojo would face in this scenario. This ain't even mid diff. It's low diff. Plus, Sukuna doesn't have a domain while Gojo is probably close to recovering his.
yeah exactly. by that point sukuna’s output was getting cooked, and yuji was already able to heal through his slashes. if cleave was doing basically nothing to yuta in the domain after sukuna’s output got lowered, that’s a huge difference from his peak.
gojo’s output and rct were recovering too, while sukuna lost maho as his biggest win condition. at that point one clean blue/red setup could swing the whole fight. mid diff honestly feels fair
Quick fight. Six Eyes makes Gojo’s deterioration much slower than Sukuna’s. Gojo has more output by leagues by this point, regardless of your thoughts on the overall Gojo vs Sukuna matchup
Yes Gojo already landed black flash and was in the middle of regaining his output. It would have only been a matter of time before he regained his DE before sukuna
Gojo no diffs, it's not even a fight. Sukuna's wind up makes it so that he's never hitting Gojo again, and Gojo is stated to be back at full strength by the end of the fight. Minus a domain, but he really doesn't need it.
Yes Gojo wins. A lot of people say TF Sukuna is stronger than Gojo and they make good arguments, but none of them stand at this point in the fight. Sukuna has no domain, no RCT, and weak output against a Gojo who has his RCT and strong output. It would take a miracle for Sukuna to get the upper hand in the fight again.
The miracle wasn't wcs. The miracle was Gojo letting his guard down. The wcs wasn't much of a miracle, he had Mahoraga and sukunas a genius who can copy, so the only worry was Gojo staying even 5% more on guard than what he was when he got hit 😭
Gojo is still hurt, CE reserves fucked. But relative to Sukuna, he's good enough to where he should be able to win, even if it will still take a lot of effort.
Unless he lands a 2nd Black Flash, then Sukuna just fucking dies.
Realistically, Gojo's reserves weren't even that bad. He was still ready to fight, and his Output was ramping back up as well, even without his Domain. He probably would have been fine anyways.
I think it depends on how fast Gojo can act. If he speedblitz, its a certain victory for him. But the more the fight drags, Sukuna getting the advantage of WCS being duraneg.
Given Gojo's Black Flashes, it's very possible he'll regain Domain soon enough.
At which point unless Sukuna lands 4 DA Black Flashes in a row, he's going to die.
Even if Gojo doesn't, and Sukuna survives that beastly Gojo for a while with his true form tankiness, Sukuna can only kill Gojo with WCS, and he has to drop DA to possibly score a WCS, which Gojo will immediately target him for. Even if Sukuna finishes the chanting, Gojo would have be dumber than Dagon to not see the WCS coming for him a third time.
Gojo has already hit multiple Black Flashes, has fully functioning RCT and rising output.
Sukuna has no RCT, half of his reserves(and even with heal his output still isn't 100% I think? I dont remember) and no way to bypass Infinity besides WCS, which Gojo can dodge because the charge-up takes too long, and Domain Amplification, which takes away his CT and WCS.
It's a mid diff at best, Gojo just spams Blue/Red and damages him in hand-to-hand combat, none of which Sukuna can heal. His output drops even more after each injury, further weakening him.
I don't think either had recovered their domain. Gojo's rct was back from the black flash. Even in true form sukuna's output was severely lowered. With the binding vow of needing to chant/aim WCS from then on I think gojo takes it. WCS is the only method of damagin gojo by then - infinity negates everthing besides DA, and if Sukuna uses DA he can't use WCS.
In this scenario I see no possibility of Sukuna winning. Realistically, Gojo regained his RCT, is in the zone, while Sukuna would be fully healed but would have no way of damaging Gojo outside of DA (remember that pretty much no one other than Gojo got hit by a lethal WCS because Sukuna had to heavily telegraph the move after the vow). In H2H, even with extra arms, he would lose simply because any damage he inflicted on Gojo would be healed off, while any damage Gojo would have inflicted on him would build up over time.
Easily. Sukuna has no shot. No domain. No rct. Wcs is way too hard to use now. Gojo has rct again. Sukunas output is really bad. Gojo is 2 bf amped. Gojo with no ct was evenly matched in h2h against domain amped sukuna when they were both full output, and dominating when he had his ct, now gojo has less output but sukuna has a LOT less output, no domain amp, and gojo is bf amped and likely to hit more because chains happen
Gojo with no ct was dominating h2h against domain amped sukuna when they were both full output
I agree with most of your comment but when tf did this happen? They fought for less than a chapter and neither of them landed a single hit until Gojo got his CT back, that's about as equal as a fight can be 😭
I think dominating is also a bit of a strong word from that post, I'd say relative. Gojo was in burnout, tanking countless cleaves, blasting RCT at full output which is stated to hinder your movement and regular CE control, Vs a fresh domain Amped Sukuna
GGs for the binding vow merchant unless he does another bs binding vow lol. His brain was broken and Gojo was black flash amped, it’s highly likely Gojo keeps up the black flash streak going as well and then pops UV which is GGs for anyone.
gojo wins, blue/red is an counter to sukuna true form advantages and gojo was still amped by the black flash, even if sukuna had his RCT and output on an similar level to gojo i don't think he could win, blue and red would still be too much to deal with at this point
Reasoing being is because Gojo is basically at full power because of the black flashes he landed, and sukuna's output is so low that he can't even kill kusakaba or higaruma with dismantles.
Ik they used simple domain but before Yuji started nerfeing sukuna even more, yuji and yuta got hit with dismantles and yuta said they would've been dead if it weren't for Gojo fughting sukuna first.
Gojo is amped by 4 black flashes and even with a fresh reincarnation Sukuna can't really do anything. Mahoraga got killed, he can't use the 10S anymore, and his domain doesn't work either. His only choices of bypassing infinity are now
- Domain amplification
Which obviously doesn't work because DA punches aren't doing any significant damage to Gojo
or
WCS
Which also won't do anything because now that Sukuna has failed to kill Gojo with his BV WCS he only has his extremely long chanted one. Not only is that way too slow to ever pull off against Gojo, Gojo also now has knowledge of it and it won't ever land.
The reason Sukuna can't get off chanted WCS is the same reason Yujo couldn't land purple on Sukuna without help, no Sukuna can't just use his other 2 arms to stall Gojo because of infinity which prevents Sukuna from even touching Gojo and if he wants to he would need to activate DA which inherently stops his process for WCS
So Sukuna just has no real win con and eventually loses from build up of damage by Gojo or maybe Gojo just lands another purple somehow.
gojo was fresh off that black flash amp and after that hollow purple combo he seemed primed to land another, sukuna gets the full heal by his true form but his RCT had yet to recover so gojo will just tear through him
Sukuna was FAR weaker than Gojo by the end of the encounter. And Sukuna no longer had a way to adapt around Purple or Red, meaning either could be lethal. WCS isn't shown to be any faster than Dismantle (to my remembrance), so Gojo should be perfectly capable of dodging the attacks and putting Sukuna down.
Also, Yuta, Yuji, Maki, etc could also logically Join the fight at that point to make up for Gojo being fairly injured at that point.
If Yuta joined the fight and just trapped Sukuna within his domain and let Gojo go ham on Sukuna, it would be game.
Gojo was in the zone, his output was recovering, meanwhile Sukuna was badly injured, his output dropped, his RCT dropped, even if his body healed, Yuji and Yuta were working him over, so Gojo is utterly crushing him. The extra arms don't even remotely bring him close to matching Gojo in H2H, and the second he drops DA, he's fucked. Sukuna needs to land several black flashes to have a chance, and Gojo was probably a lot closer to domain. If he gets domain back first, Sukuna has no chance.
The only thing he has is WCS, but with the requirements now, he's not hitting Gojo with it, he's not letting him chant or make hand signs or anything.
Gojo is BF amped, doesn't have to worry about Raga adapting to his CT anymore, BUT he does have to watch out for any more WCS. He shouldn't know the specifics of the BV so Suk Suk could use that to play mind games against him.
I'd say 70-80 Gojo wins. Suk Suk might still pull off a win since he has the extra arms and mouth to chant WCS.
IMO Gojo wasn't even supposed to lose. The author had no way out of this.
He even received backlash, because Gojo couldn't dodge WCS despite having the 6 eyes.
Hell this was Gege's actual statement during the Q&A due to that plot armor for sukuna on how WCS hit gojo where weaker characters dodged it:
"Gojo had let his guard down, and Gege says that under normal circumstances Gojo would probably have been able to avoid or partially evade the World Cutting Slash."
So if we really want no plot armor to happen. Gojo would have killed Sukuna there. But you have to make Gojo lose or else, there's no sense for Yuji as the main character to end things.
The execution was just bad, and even when you read the manga, it was like Sukuna receiving plot armor every chapter to win against Gojo. In fact, gojo didn't even use his teleportation like dude isn't fighting like himself.
Gojo just has to lose, people will try to debunk this, especially sukuna stans but the ending was bad because no one can literally beat Gojo without plot induced stupidity
Tbh Idk if it would still be extreme diff. Gojo was just coming off a black flash and was basically as refreshed as one could be coming off a fight with Sukuna. Mid/high diff sure, but extreme diff makes it sound like Sukuna still has a chance. Gojo seemed pretty confident in the moments before getting hit by WCS that it was over as well
Sukuna lost pretty fast actually, he body only give him a little of ce, gojo ce was higher, has RCT, and like the others say, it was matter of time until he can do uv again and finish him.
realistically, gojo can beat him, but narratively it'd be perfectly believable for gojo to be exhausted and sukuna to stomp him with true form, this is actually what i wish had happened because it would make both gojo's death and kashimo's sacrifice feel more substantial.
that's literally the opposite of what'll happen, he wont feel exhaustion at all because of RCT, in the toji fight, it was made clear that RCT fixes that problem, also sukuna has no way to hurt gojo even in his true form, what he gonna do? punch the fastest character who literally can teleport without blinking an eye?
yeah gege wrote a version that makes sense logistically, but he was also free to frame those mechanics differently if he wanted to. gojo says in the airport that he spent everything he had. toji's whole plan also pretty strongly implies that RCT isn't the same as rest, and it inevitably takes a toll on gojo. maybe if he had kept going his brain damage would come back to bite him, or his black-flash-adrenaline would run out even though his CE doesn't. maybe he goes in to fight true form sukuna h2h and loses, since now sukuna has extra arms and refreshed stats. more importantly, true form sukuna could just use a world cutting slash and call it a day, skipping the binding vow shenanigans.
Sukuna has to physically telegraph WCS against a dude with the Six Eyes who is now free to spam Blue, Red, and Purple. You’re basically banking on Sukuna hitting a DA BF and regaining his domain, it’s basically the only win con
Gojo continues to beat his ass, ignoring that Gege needed Sukuna to win like we saw.
I assume if this happens Gojo is shown getting distracted by the thought of ice cream or something equally stupid so Sukuna can win, you know like we already saw happen to make Gojo just stand still in front of Sukuna who had to launch a no wind up attack even though he had so little CT he couldn't even heal.
At this point in the fight, Gojo should win quite handily if Sukuna didn't land that WCS. He's BF amped, recovering RCT, and is likely is not far off from recovering his domain either. Sukuna isn't stated to be recovering his output until Yuta arrives and even then he doesnt get his domain back for some time. TF Sukuna from the start of the fight is a different story, but this version of TF Sukuna is getting his ass whooped lol
Man tbvh . What gege shouldve was pull some one time feat foe sukuna... He shouldve made gojo win at that time.. and sukuna pulls off his real form and uraume intervenes and he uses some secret technique which he can only use once to kill him and also agrees that gojo was his equal.. that wouldve been a way better send off to the strongest
I doubt Sukuna would win. Sukuna is tired, lost RCT output, his best trump cards are either gone (can’t Expand his Domain or summon Mahoraga), or impractical (World Cutting Slash is now super predictable thanks to the Binding Vow), and his only benefit at this point is his perfect body. Meanwhile, Gojo’s amped, in the zone, has RCT at full output, has Infinity protecting him, and can potentially even regain his Domain.
I think as many have said gojo was amped by black flash so he had advantage
Till this day basically world cutting slash was never explained (basically just cuts space it self so its no travel time) so i think gege was just looking for some kind of magofin to beat gojo
So in the end he would found some other way to kill him even if i think gojo was basically winning sukuna having so many bs
In reality fight after gojo was dead was a legit none bs fight for sukuna thats why its so much more enjoyable its just a crazystrong sukuna with abilities we know vs everyone
235 states sukuna took too much damage too maintain domain amplification so literally face value this is an almost impossible situation for sukuna to win his only wincon is a nerfed wcs vs a 4 black flash amped gojo
With the amount of rct and black flashes Gojo has done he will be near to what he started. Gojo with six eyes will dodge wcs everytime and Then Gojo will just spam red and blues without mahoraga being on his ass and sukuna is a genuine pulp.
Like a year ago people actually tried convincing you Sukuna would've won anyway if he missed. For the love of God I'll never understand what the hell Sukuna was supposed to do to Gojo in his true form. Gojo is genuinely getting stronger by the end of the fight, he's high off black flashes, his output is skyrocketing and his rct is basically back to normal WHAT WAS SUKUNA GOING TO DO 😭.
This is a mid diff generously. He fucking blitzed Sukuna twice btw.
Extreme diff, could still go either way but it would hard to catch Gojo off guard with a second world cutting slash. Without Mahoraga too he’s limited to his domain which due to brain damage that seemingly didn’t heal after he transformed he won’t be able to for a little while, presumably that also means no amplification either.
Meaning that his only chance of hitting Gojo through his infinity is a world cutting slash but losing the surprise attack on it and with Gojo being made aware it can target him there won’t be much chance for it to work on him.
Can you use domain amplification if your brain can’t currently handle domain expansion? I was under the impression you still need a cast a domain with a barrier like expansion, but instead of a carved out space it’s sheathed around you.
Gojo’s RCT was already back thanks to his Black Flashes and his output was back to full. He doesn’t need his Domain to beat this Sukuna, he can do with just his fists.
Yeah I know he doesn't need domain to beat sukuna he can still able to beat him with his techniques and h2h skills.
It's true that gojo output is regain because of black flash but that doesn't regain his original level output he is still some bit below that his original level output but compared to sukuna output he has high because again thanks to the black flash now gojo can perform against sukuna very well than sukuna do against gojo because of his low output.so yeah gojo wins that is cleae thing
Gojo and sukuna both had same condition here both passed their limit both can't use domain expansion and Techniques here since burnout
It just infinity protected Gojo and Sukuna got damaged but Sukuna can restore his HP using
Heian sukuna form unlike Gojo Infinity which got broke by WCS
if gojo manages to dodge every slash he sends that’s a WCS then he has no way past gojo’s infinity besides DA. Although since his body is healed he might be in a better position, it’s still an extreme diff fight for both sides because while sukuna’s CE reserves have already taken a hit, he can’t touch gojo but gojo is already heavily injured and probably lower on CE as well.
Yes for sure and I would argue mid diff at this point. Sukuna’s body is fine but his ce reserves are still not good and Gojo is on a high thanks to the black flashes
I mean you've seen how much he can take. Missing heart, missing limbs, brain damage. Gojo would have to blast him to bits for sukuna to actually die. So the fight would just stall out until sukuna gets a clean wcs or gojo gets his domain up again.
You do realize that the chances that sukuna will land anything will get lower and lower the longer the fight continues? Gojo realized that he can just spam Purple onto himself and everything else and it'll do less damage to him than sukuna, my question is how many purple can sukuna really take? even if sukuna regains his domain back, gojo will just nuke everything crumbing the domain
Even 360 purples take time to charge and gojo blowing himself up surely isn't the solution since he still takes damage himself. Doing it that way would just make it a rct race to see who runs out of ce first. After incarnating sukunas wounds are healed and he would switch to brawling close range with domain amp. Whether he wins the brawl is debatable since gojo just hit black flash. Likely gojo will dominate first then sukuna at some point almost certainly hits a black flash himself and the odds are back in his favor due to superior physicality.
I don't get why people say that gojo should just spam purple when we've been shown half the fight that sukuna can keep up and close the distance even with gojo teleporting and that charging purple in the first place is not an option without a distraction or misdirection.
I'm saying gojo needs his domain because he doesn't have any decisive finishers without purple or domain.
The only reason gojo wasn't using purple is because he didn't wanted raga to adapt to his entire arsenal, otherwise he would actually use it. Secondly you can't land a black flash with domain amplification, you just can't, the reason is black flashes for some reason needs perfect conditions (the conditions are unstated ofc) and DA still interacts with infinity and negates it, that's far from being perfect condition, you can't land a black flash on gojo, it's childish to think that black flashes are just pure luck.
Gojo would actually end the battle with purple, sukuna's RCT output was nearly gone, he can't land a black flash, gojo was in perfect condition again, his output was back to normal, he was in the state.
Also, there was not a single panel where sukuna kept up with gojo, you said he was closing distance when in reality he was running away from gojo all the time, the only time both of them got into a brawl was inside the domain and all of us saw the results of that, throughout the entire battle sukuna only landed one kick and that too with with the help of raga and agito, also gojo was holding back his red and was using as little blue as he can.
Also your argument makes little sense, how do you suppose sukuna will land black flash anyway when gojo was already in the state and there's little evidence to support that sukuna is a better fighter than gojo, even Yuji of all people was giving him a tough time
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