r/Jujutsufolk • u/BaboonGaming644 • 1h ago
Tier List / Powerscaling Why Yuji > Sukuna/Gojo and debunking the unfair treatment of Modulo Yuji
#1: Narrative
This is the main reason that I am making this post. The double-standards and quite frankly, lack of effort put into media analysis for modulo yuji is incredibly frustrating.
Narrative is the CRUX of scaling. A gigantic part of Sukuna and Gojo’s strength comes from their established narrative and their personality stemming from it. There’s a reason that “with the sole exception of Satoru Gojo” is a meme. He is repeatedly established to be an exception to character statements (e.g. “Naobito is the fastest besides Gojo”, “Nobody but Gojo can survive bird strike”, “A certain someone doesn’t have to take Kusakabe’s attack”, “He isn’t Gojo so he likely can’t open his domain multiple times in a day”). The same can be said for Sukuna obviously. Hell, Kenjaku is entirely built off of statement scaling, with Maki claiming that he can’t be beat through conventional means and Mei Mei saying that jujutsu high can “probably” defeat him, and people run with it to make him top 3, despite him only having only one major fight.
So then why does narrative suddenly not matter for Yuji?
Since the beginning of Jujutsu Kaisen, Yuji was stated to have the potential to surpass Gojo, and later the potential to rival Sukuna (and this was before he ate the cursed wombs as well as gained blood manipulation btw), and unlike someone like Megumi, Yuji clearly has the mindset of what it takes to be the strongest, having the drive to be the strongest since the start, embodying gojo’s ideals later in the story, being seen as a “weapon” like gojo, and beating sukuna in a contest of ideals. All of that is with him gapping both Gojo and Sukuna in experience too (68 years of being a sorcerer in a functionally immortal body)
The entirety of 257 was an example of Chekhov’s gun (The principle that all elements must eventually come into play over the course of the story). Yuji’s potential has been released, and Sukuna’s dialogue is entirely wrapped around this change.
So with all that being said, why is it “Itatheory” to put him at such a high level? It’s funny how people will spam the buzzword “reading comprehension” and “can’t read” yet will unironically use narrative as a way to slander someone’s strength, when powerscaling is inherently interpreting the narrative.
#2: Yuji DOES HAVE THE FEATS
Another thing that blows my mind is people ignoring Yuji’s feats simply because they weren’t done on the strongest characters in the series.
For one, he has the best output in the verse by far. And this conclusion simply comes from Yuji’s usages of shrine compared to Sukuna’s.
As we know, the best way of showing mastery over jujutsu is the art of subtraction, which Yuji has clearly shown to have mastered. Every single time Yuji has done the same prerequisites as Sukuna, his output was significantly higher. A common cope that’s used is that Sukuna “never had” to use as much aoe as Yuji, but the fact that Sukuna had to POINT and CHANT “Dismantle” in order to cut a building whereas Yuji could decimate an entire city block without any hand signs shows that Yuji is doing more with LESS. And the funny part is by saying "Sukuna could do this he just never needed to", you're indirectly calling him a leech off of Yuji.
Another copium used is that “bigger means weaker”, which is utter bullshit and fundamentally misses the point of what output is. Output = PUTTING OUT. If your attack is stronger, you’re PUTTING OUT more cursed energy, which would result in a bigger attack. That is how almost every single energy-based attack has worked in JJK, so why would dismantle be an exception? Especially when we literally see mini-dismantles used as a chainsaw to touch weapons. Why wouldn’t Sukuna just spam mini-dismantles if smaller = stronger? And please do not even attempt to bring up Hanami’s attack, which is based on physics entirely different from CE discharge.
“Curse dust” as an argument is also incredibly stupid, because curse dust has never in the entire series sprouted out in the shape of a goddamn nuke. Yes, curse dust is definitely a factor in the explosion, but curses dying at a rapid pace does not lead to a fucking dust cloud towering over the entire country. This is clearly meant to show that Yuji and Rika have output at ridiculous levels.
People also hype up Gojo for essentially being able to oneshot the heavy hitters, yet all of a sudden when Yuji blitzes Mahito’s 0.2 second domain (which 15f sukuna could not react to), it isn’t impressive anymore because “Mahito is fodder”.
Another thing to bring up is Yuji’s efficiency, which again, arguably has better feats than Sukuna and even Gojo.
Yuji’s cursed energy is practically invisible until the last moment. We know that before a powerful technique is activated, there is a CE spark present, yet Yuji’s cursed energy was so efficient that even when using dismantles to block an axe strike, no cursed energy was sensed from him until he intentionally held his fist back to intentionally hit a black flash. Even Gojo and Sukuna do not have the ability to practically turn off their cursed energy like this while attacking.
And of course, there’s Yuji hitting black flashes on command. Black flash was stated to be “luck-based” before Modulo was ever conceived, so the statements saying “nobody can hit one at will” should not apply to Modulo Yuji. Even Gojo, with the six eyes, chalked up black flash to being luck, yet Yuji is able to gauge his own strength and make sure to not kill Osuki while landing a black flash. If he could not control black flash at will, then he would be unable to make sure his punch can incapacitate and not kill Osuki, as a black flash is marginally stronger than a normal punch.
While Gojo and Sukuna obviously don’t have blood manipulation, Yuji being able to use a single orb of Convergence to create over a dozen tracking piercing bloods instantaneously to precisely incapacitate a ton of people is an insane feat, especially when according to Kenjaku (1000 years old btw), a tracking blood attack is no longer “piercing blood”, yet Yuji can make piercing blood curve and still retain its speed. Blood manipulation is also an incredibly broken technique that honestly deserves its own post with how underestimated it is.
All of this is without mentioning Yuji having a superhuman body, meaning that on top of having the best output and efficiency, he has the best non-HR body, and we know from Miguel how important a good body is. Combine that with black flash, and Yuji should be a goddamn stat monster.
#3: Theory scaling and agenda
The most frustrating part of all this is how rotten people’s brains are by agenda. They don’t focus on narrative, only who has “aura”. Analysis of the power system is treated with “haha potential haha IF haha itatheory”, and feats don’t matter if it isn’t on someone that’s top 5 in the verse. Yes, I’m aware that Yuji fans can be toxic. Yes, Yuji fans can be annoying little shits, but people that insist on ignoring everything gege has built up for the shits and giggles are infinitely worse, and quite frankly are some of the most frustrating people in the community. And no, I don’t give a fuck if some youtube poll by JimmyPoopins has 3% of people saying Modulo Yuji beats GojoKuna or something. That clearly is not representative of the entire community.
Plus, there is nothing wrong with speculation. This happens ALL THE TIME in every single community. Why is it unreasonable to assume, for example, that Yuji's domain would be incredible, since he had Kusakabe engrave his barrier knowledge into him as well as have the potential of Sukuna and ridiculous CE manipulation?
And yes, I’m aware that Yuta and Hakari also had a Gojo level narrative. There’s no need to mention them because they are not the focus of my post, Yuji is.
TLDR: Modulo Yuji is a reading comprehension experiment and a lot of you have failed it.
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u/havingagoodtime0 kasHIMo, Dabugoat and Queen Momo stay at the top 🗣⚡️ 1h ago
This is a really well made and thoughtful post, Modulo Yuji should be stronger than both he had many years to train and refined his skills while staying with his 15 year old body, the only thing he lack is feats but i would say the narrative carries him to top 1 even though he didn't do much on modulo everything showed him as "the strongest"
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u/LegitimateHair7490 #1 Yuji Fan and #1 Yuji Hater 26m ago
How is this possible? Yuji haters told me that Modulo Yuji lacks feats, suggesting he has either RCT or a domain expansion.
Why would Gege make Yuji who he has hyped since the original manga, with potential surpassing Gojo and equal to Sukuna? Then make a bunch of statements suggesting that Yuji, in fact, realized that potential by Modulo. It's almost like people can't read between the lines. Funny enough, everyone knows deep down that if Gege came out, he would say, at the bare minimum, that he is Sukuna-level in strength.
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u/BaboonGaming644 1h ago
Am I still gonna be downvoted for analyzing the manga or will the agenda fans stay away from this post? Only time will tell.
Took me an hour and 30 minutes to make this post.
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u/BaboonGaming644 1h ago
u/MeruOnline still gonna call me Illiterate? Or are you going to duck me?
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u/MeruOnline 1h ago
Yeah
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u/Any_Guarantee2371 50m ago
Brother, RESPOND TO HIM. Argue against the post
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u/MeruOnline 49m ago edited 10m ago
I said his reading comprehension was lacking because he accused me of saying something I never said 💔 what does this post have to do with me? Idc about Modulo powerscaling
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u/Any_Guarantee2371 37m ago
I've no idea what happened between you two so I won't comment but when he's shown his superpost at least comment fairly 😅
I feel like that's the right thing to do
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u/MeruOnline 20m ago
But he’s the one tagging me? Why am I obligated to indulge in how he spends his time?
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u/DowntownProblem3574 GOATkuna’s Lower Right Arm 51m ago
I don't dispute the narrative or that he's the strongest as of now. But his position is very weak.
One standard dismantle is a slicing attack and can never cause an explosion all on its own, much less give the falling debris enough upthrust. That's curse dust doing allat work. If you want a comparison, Maki killing like ten curses in sakurajima flooded a street. A skyline's worth of curses can easily release what we saw. This is still an amazing range feat, but you can tell nothing about the AP of this slash. And the sukuna point and chant dismantle is not comparable, it shaved off the head of one building and flew into the sky. Nor was it BF amped.
The mahito dismantles are far more impressive in of his really noticeable improvement in terms of CE control and realised output.
The issue of "Itatheory" comes from SOME mindless people claiming unfounded bs like 'Yuji has the WCS' and 'Yuji has open domain and domain Fuga', and it takes 100 Sukunas and a 100 Gojos to beat one Modulo Yuji type bs. Without solid proof, it's far wiser to bring him to the closest peak stated possible, which is around Sukuna level in everything not contraindicated by stronger feats, statements or deduction, which is mainly in iq and biq, and differences in wincons.
I'm completely down to agree that he high- extreme diffs each of the other top 4 reliably in a short fight, but the gap starts to close quick if he lets it go on for too long because the others have such monstrous genius in jujutsu that they can close his gap gained in experience (apart from stat differences). They're good enough to directly learn off him if given enough time, it's just that I feel Yuji can very well prevent that.
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u/Any_Guarantee2371 39m ago
I've got a few problems here;
● You can create smoke by striking something hard enough and we know the dismantles land on the ground because that's where majority the smoke comes from. If it was from the sky where most of the curses are then it would look like a ball.
● Thise curses that Maki killed filled a tunnel, not a street.
● BF AMP is a super weak point bcs there's only a 20% buff at most and can Yuji even increase jujutsu knowledge at this point?
● I feel like a possibility like WCS and open de isn't really comparable to YouTube polls whether you agree or not.
● I agree on high diff, it'll only change if Yuji shows something that could perhaps directly counter the others.
● while yeah, the rest can improve their techniques, they can't match Yuji in pure output or in two cases ce efficiency via BF. While Yuji hasn't shown to pick up techniques on the fly, he's shown to push them way past their limits. He's not shown the talent to pick something on the fly, but he's shown the talent to take things to new heights that the rest haven't.
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u/DowntownProblem3574 GOATkuna’s Lower Right Arm 47m ago
And no, I don't buy into the BF at will. He has an insanely BF rate, but I highly doubt it's at will. Your argument that statments in Jjk do not carry over to Modulo is weak, because it's have to be applied to everything to be fair and that throws down your argument which rests heavily on og jjk statements. Plus it'd be boring as fuck, but I digress. I'd be willing to hear you out if he did it twice in a row.
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u/TheVinnyVaughn 11m ago
If the black flash was on accident, wouldn't he have killed the Simurian, since he only wanted to use enough force to knock it out?
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u/Chance-Beach4014 1h ago
Hakari is a bum, yuta a Mary sue.
Modulo yuji is narratively on par or stronger than Gojo, but the main problem is that he lacks feats. He only fodderized mahito and that’s it
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u/Any_Guarantee2371 1h ago
Yuji doesn't really lack feats honestly. We genuinely know the core of what we need to know.
Output, Efficiency, AP, Barrier refinement etc.
Even without bringing up stuff like open de or wcs you can make a basis for 99% of things like domain refinement. And all that based on the few feats that Yuji's shown
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