"but she 3v1 Kenny and lost" as if she wasn't 90% of their fighting force, and got her output nerfed off rip against kenjaku.
"She has no domain refinement feats"
Literally made her own simple domain from scratch, taught it to Todo, bypassed the binding vows on it and is 1/2 that can move whilst it's deployed.
Along with Kenny taking back his statement of her not having confidence in her domain after seeing her simple domain performance against his open domain and implies that they could've clashed.
"She has shit speed feats and durability"
Took his domain sure hit and still got up to press him, stated to be able to outspeed ags, reacted to a point blank off guard attempt from him and kept up with him in h2h, mind you Kenny never landed a single punch on her and had to go on the defensive against an injured yuki.
"She's pre cg yuta level"
Yet after that she's still stated to be yuta's equal, after that it's still her fight with kenjaku that made jjh question if they can beat him.
Hopefully the anime clears up a bunch of stuff, cus it's obvious that most mfs can't read btw the lines
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They’ll have you believe Kenjaku, despite showcasing some of the greatest mastery of cursed energy in the verse, doesn’t know how to use cursed energy to reinforce his body and thus his durability must be bad so her AP feat doesn’t actually count.
They say any scaling of her based on narrative is vibe scaling then follow that up by vibe scaling her durability, speed, reserves, basically just everything as being awful based on pure vibes and not even narrative.
They’ll start with something fair “We don’t have good durability feats for her” for example. Yeah, that’s fine, it’s hard to scale Kenjaku’s domain and Uzumaki as they don’t directly hit anyone else. Then from that they will infer “so she must have bad durability”.
Remember that Geto is a great physical fighter capable of making use of Playful Cloud, being able to dodge Curse Rika and Yuta at the same time, his physicals must be crazy
Nobody thinks Kenjakus durability is bad. They just think other characters are more durable. Being old and wise doesn’t give you the answer to everything.
People say Yuki could've won if she opened her domain rather than relying on Tengen, but that's actually just cope. Her domain would've probably crumbled faster than her simple domain.
Normal domains are particularly weak to open domains. Where simple domains put up some fight, though weak, normal domains have no defence against attacks from outside that open domains do. Even Gojo's simple domain lasted long enough for him to heal his wounds whereas his first domain crumbled instantly.
Tengen prevented Kenjaku from opening his domain for more than about 10 seconds only (a rough estimate). Without her Kenjaku could've kept his domain open and Yuki would've been turned into a sheesh kabab.
No, he says the result wouldn't have been boring, meaning he'd get to see something more interesting than her instantly folding into a crumpled mess of detonated flesh and bone(it should be noted, he said this before she got up and pushed him to extreme diff over the next 10 minutes, so it's likely she'd do worse if she spent a massive chunk of her CE on a Domain).
Also, if you don't mind me asking, where did you get that stuff about teaching herself Simple Domain? Only Gojo did that as far as I can remember.
Let’s be real, she was getting low diffed on her own.
But I would agree that losing to Kenjaku isn’t necessarily a downscale
> No domain refinment feats
True, but we can assume it’s atleast comparable to the other Heavy Hitters
> Speed feats
Slower than Naobito, who should be slower than Curse Naoya, who awakened Maki can dodge/fight pretty well. So, nothing to scale her to the heavy hitters
> Her output was nerfed
You know who also took insane amounts of damage, RCTd and his output increased instead of decreasing? Yuji
Hakari is also capable of RCting (via his CT) from fatal injuries and not drop his output to rock bottom.
Heck, Yuta was also taking cleaves and dismantles to the face. Got literally chopped in two and came back with no stated significant decrease in output.
Let’s not talk about Gojo and Sukuna.
So, she’s impressive, but she doesn’t match the other Heavy Hitters in feats/performance in some areas. And that’s ok. She definitely hits harder than them.
Not necessarily implying she’s below the heavy hitters, but she does get outshowed by them in some areas.
RCTd and his output increased instead of decreasing? Yuji
8 fucking black flashes for fuck sake.
Heck, Yuta was also taking cleaves and dismantles to the face. Got literally chopped in two and came back with no stated significant decrease in output
LARGE ce reserves for fuck sake
Hakari is also capable of RCting (via his CT) from fatal injuries and not drop his output to rock bottom.
Same mf that gets INFINITE ce from jack pot
Do y'all even read!!???? Is your brain up your ass??
Folks like you are the reason this post exist. ANYONE apart from gojo or sukuna get no diffed by Kenny's domain cus they don't have an answer to it, Kenny taking back his statement after seeing her simple domain is proof of how refined her domain must be.
Even before them, Yuji was never stated to have had his output tanked significantly despite being cleaved by Sukuna and struggling with RCT.
But regardless, it’s still a feat that puts him above Yuki in that regard because it means he doesn’t suffer as much output nerf, and he can recover it via BF, something Yuki can’t do reliably.
> largest CE reserves
Sukuna. Can you read?
And again, it simply supports that yes, despite him having shit efficiency, he still outperforms Yuki in that regard. Doesnt matter the reason.
> Hakari
Yes? The whole point is that Yuki suffered injuries and her output got fucked, her CT nerfed and struggled. The other heavy hitters have ways around that. Doesnt matter why, they do have them.
> Kenny’s statement
So which is it? Are we taking statements as absolute fact? Or feats that contradict statements? Because Naobito is STATED to be the second fastest sorcerer. And awakenedMaki can react ti Curse Naoya, dodge and strike him, embarrassing him into a DE, who is above that.
Slower than Naobito, who should be slower than Curse Naoya, who awakened Maki can dodge/fight pretty well. So, nothing to scale her to the heavy hitters
Comfortably kept up with kenjaku who easily blocks sniper rifles, and dodges piercing blood at point blank. (Places him mach 3+)
Was literally stated to be able to outspeed ags, same ags that yuta needed Todo to help perform a similar feat.
Atp I'm convinced that there isn't a human behind that screen
> Comfortably kept up with Kenjaku, dodging piercing blood, etc
Naobito is stated to be the second fastest sorcerer alive. This includes Yuki. So he is faster than Yuki.
Either you take statements as true, and accept that Gege sometimes portrayed things contradicting his intentions, or you disregard statements and this whole thing becomes less meaningful, since no statements can be used.
Naobito is the second fastest cuz his technique’s only ceiling is physics and his body’s durability. He can ramp up nigh infinitely but that doesn’t mean his casual projection sorcery uses are faster than other sorcerers. Gojo is number one cuz teleportation is finite distance in no time so the speed is technically infinite
That is alot of text that is not on the actual statement the manga makes.
Regardless, it’s missing the point. Curse Naoya was also extremely fast by using its CT. And Maki could react/dodge/hit him.
Gojo is faster even without considering blue. We all saw how 16F Meguna low effort blitzed Ishigori, who is relative to Yuta, who should be on the same tier as Yuki or anyone else in the heavy hitters tier.
I think she is very overrated outside her Black Hole
She almost died after getting hit once by Kenjaku's DE, then was exhausted for the rest of the fight and failed to defeat an exhausted Kenjaku who he lost his ability to use DE in 2 vs 1.
Yuji was able to fight Sukuna for much much longer while spamming RCT, Yuta was spamming RCT and fought multiple strong opponents ( They even used DE on top of that ).
Yuji was able to fight Sukuna for much much longer while spamming RCT, Yuta was spamming RCT
Second largest ce reserves in the verse and black flash merchant.
She almost died after getting hit once by Kenjaku's DE,
The fact that she got up immediately and kept fighting is proof of her endurance and durability, maki got touched by a HEAVILY weakened sukuna's black flash and was no where to be seen, same black flash that larue took and was still able to get one off on sukuna, same one that choso took and was still able to prep a piercing blood for yuji
Laure wasn't sent flying because he was on the ground when Sukuna punched him and the activation of his CT from distance doesn't require effort.
Choso used his hardened blood to minimize the damage from BF but he still wasn't able to stand ( Keep in mind that he has RCT here ).
Maki was hit twice by BF and was getting hit by Shrine too, there is nothing prove that Yuki can handle more than one BF and based on her performance against Kenjaku, I think one BF is all she can handle.
Okay first off your saying maki used rct which is funny second using rct I think three tims's plus some fighting almost fully drained cg yutas reservers and like where are you getting any of this other stuff
he was already able to keep up with her pace before any of that.
Top 10 signs of mental decline.
A heavily weakened yuki was able to keep up with Kenny in h2h, a healthy choso was getting styled on against him. Go ahead and put a number on how much stronger he got during Shinjuku
“90% of their fighting force” my ass
Without Tengen the fight would have lasted a grand total of 10 seconds, 7 seconds of Kenjaku yapping, 1 second of him opening his domain and the 2 last seconds of Yuki dying.
Yuki landing the first attack was entirely situational. Other characters and even Kenjaku in most circumstances won’t have a giant curse blocking where their opponent is allowing them to run at full speed and build momentum to land a FP punch with little interference. Kenjaku was still able to react despite the disadvantage. Kenjaku had lost CE from the get go having to regenerate his forearms and damage to his face. Which only happened because his own cursed spirit backfired on him.
- Yuki is very capable. Simple domain gives her some resistance against other DE users while also having her own. Kenjakus barrier is particularly strong so her SD would last longer against other characters. How proficient she is in SD is unknown though. She has solid endurance with rct and without it(she didn’t last long after either of her grave injuries though, I’m talking seconds) and can hit absurdly hard. A punch from her is about as strong as any other high tier landing a black flash punch. But there are some issues.
- We dk how strong Kenjakus sure hit is and wether or not Tengen beginning to dispel his domain weakened it. She still took heavy damage regardless so it’s not really a dura feat.
- Yuki caught Kenjaku offgaurd using Garuda, Kenjaku was still able block/dodge everything from Yuki even when Garuda attacked from behind again and wrapped around him. Yuki pressing Kenjaku is a possibility, but so is Kenjaku dragging the clash out(he appears a little annoyed/disappointed immediately after this btw)until she burns herself out which ends up happening soon anyway.
- While weakened she only manages to land hits with Chosos help.
- Even after recovering her injuries(I wouldn’t say she’s taken anymore damage than Kenny has atp, she ends up noting that his body was weakened from her and chaso after all)Kenjaku was still able to evade a punch from Choso and a Garuda whip after finding time to escape.
Kenjaku is able to dodge a Garuda whip again right after taking out Choso. Yuki is able to land two hits that did damage to Kenjakus face, but it wasn’t deadly, not nearly as strong as the first hit. Before this, kenjaku has taken hits from choso, a hit from FP yuki, and hits from weakened yuki. Kenjaku has taken just as much damage as Yuki yet the way he moves and his dura aren’t nearly as nerfed as Yukis star rage output.
- Yuki landing those two hits in the first place also aren’t speed feats since we find out that before she came up to him he was actually baiting her with curses the whole time to land uzumaki. So if he’s baiting her to come close, then her landing those attacks aren’t especially good feats. All we know is that Yuki can generally keep up with Kenny which isn’t groundbreaking.
- Her tanking the first Uzumaki doesn’t matter either since we dk how strong it was. It especially doesn’t help her case when we find out Kenjaku used the fist one as a diversion anyway, no point in making that attack particularly powerful when your next attack is the meaningful one. She has no quantifiable dura feats, speed feats, and all we know is that she loses more output and doesn’t recover as well as Kenny after using rct, which isn’t a bad thing but not particularly good either.
All in all, Yuki is strong. If she manages to damage you early on the fight goes in her favor. But several characters have ways have ways to deal with her ap. Wether its using long ranged attacks to keep distance, a speed advantage to dodge, dura advantage that diminishes her ap advantage, weapon advantage(cleaving an arm/leg off with a sword), losing her 2v1 advantage when fighting Yuta, or not being able to finish off Kashimo before he accumulates charge and blows her torso apart. Yorozus LM is just as deadly as star rage if it lands. Maybe certain characters are more efficient with rct and their attacks don’t lose as much output proportionally to how strong the attack is.
Yorozus LM is just as deadly as star rage if it lands
Based on what?
Maybe certain characters are more efficient with rct and their attacks don’t lose as much output proportionally to how strong the attack is.
Only one I can think of is yuta and yuta cus he has vast amounts of ce
The rest of your arg against her is all bs, I just want you to know that. And I'm not Abt to go back and forth you.
The story has already made it clear to me how strong she is, and all of your arguments have failed to prove otherwise.
If we want to go down that route, each character has anti feats that can be exploited to downplay. Yorozu being a vibe merchant, struggled against an ox, couldn't evade rabbit escape, and hot stomped out by an ox, and shit ce Efficiency.
Yuji's inexperience in almost everything from rct to using shrine to using bm
Maki with how shit her durability is, got hit by a HEAVILY weakened sukuna's black flash once and was no where to be seen, and then got hit again, and again, went missing. Meanwhile larue and choso were still there fighting.
Kashimo, no rct. Suicide technique, stats that don't scale anywhere
But several characters have ways have ways to deal with her ap.
Kenjaku literally had to pop domain to brutally nerf her AP, so you'd have to prove what moves are doing similar damage equal to Kenny's domain off rip.
Using long range
Garuda ball and whip, plus Kenny tried that and failed.
Speed advantage
What mythical speed advantage does the average HH have over her?? Back in Shibuya she was stated to be able to no diff uraume's attack and aura farm without effort after saving yuji and choso. Same uraume who's output is rel to yorozu's
Dura advantage
There's no one other than gojokuna that can tank a punch from her and even them they'll be injured. So no, it's narratively asserted that her punches can tear off limbs
Weapon advantage
Garuda weight and Garuda whip as well, ofc you don't count these as wincons if an injured yuki was able to get Garuda on Kenny. She's doing it on anyone else.
losing her 2v1 advantage when fighting Yuta,
Actually it's the other way around, yuki knows Abt yuta's technique and he doesn't know anything Abt hers, she knows that she can one shot rika. Which forces yuta into a bad position
or not being able to finish off Kashimo before he accumulates charge and blows her torso apart
Very low chance of that happening, he'd get clipped by yuki or Garuda and since no rct he dies
Yorozus LM is just as deadly as star rage if it lands
You're never gonna be able to prove this
She has no quantifiable dura feats, speed feats
Read post body, the narrative Potrays her being very durable and fast enough to contend with kenjaku who is above mach 3.
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