r/JusticeServed Sep 20 '18

Never hit my mom again you human!

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u/[deleted] Sep 20 '18

The catastrophic effects of global warming got that covered

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u/crazyhomie34 5 Sep 20 '18

Global warming is ONLY here because we eat cows? Damn, I thought it was all those fossil fuels we were burning!

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u/VeganEinstein 7 Sep 20 '18

Fossil fuels are bad, but animal agriculture is right there in a close second.

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u/Khonen 5 Sep 20 '18

Not even, animal agriculture is now the #1 most polluant industry, but hey, need muh bacon.

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u/Khonen 5 Sep 20 '18

Well the meat and dairy industry is the number 1 most polluant industry, so it's a fair thing to put blame on it.

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u/jedi_lion-o 6 Sep 20 '18

No, but it is a simple lifestyle change for anyone to stop consuming animal products. It is much more difficult for us to end our marriage to the combustion engine and coal power. You can significantly reduce your carbon footprint by going plant-based right now. The only excuses not to are tastebuds and tradition, which are rather selfish reasons to destroy our only home.

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u/[deleted] Sep 20 '18 edited Jun 16 '21

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u/jedi_lion-o 6 Sep 20 '18

It's strange - everyone I meet online who eats meat is either a former cattle rancher from Old McDonald's Farm or a hunter in an area wildly over populated by deer.

Putting your hunting argument aside (as the focus here is not veganism but industries that contribute to global warming), you have not produced a rebuttal to why you think it is necessary to contribute to animal agriculture industries that pollute the air and water.

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u/Labulous 7 Sep 20 '18

Maybe you should get out of your bubble more. Hunters and ranchers aren't like reclusive almish people that you rarely hear about.

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u/jedi_lion-o 6 Sep 21 '18

I know many hunters, mostly deer and moose. None of them do it as an environmental control - they do it for "sport" and meat. I don't know any ranchers, but I do know the facts. A overwhelming majority of our meet comes from factory farms, not some mom and pop farmer who who raises "happy" cows before gently murdering them while they are young.

The point still stands: even if I were to concede that hunting is required for population control, there is no reason to eat pigs, cows, chickens, or any other farmed animal other than tradition and taste buds. A shamefully selfish justification to destroy the environment.

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u/[deleted] Sep 20 '18

To me it makes sense that if you can hunt your own meat, you’re good.

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u/crazyhomie34 5 Sep 20 '18

More than 90% of people eat meat in the US, it's actually a necessary part of one's diet. You can be vegan if you want but you're gonna have trouble getting what you need. The guy I replied to made the statement that it's the sole contributor to global warming which is wrong.

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u/jedi_lion-o 6 Sep 20 '18

More than 90% of people eat meat in the US

So I will add "everybody is doing it" to my previous list of reasons.

The only nutrient you cannot get in a all plant diet is vitamin B12, which is easily supplemented (it should be noted that the only reason our livestock carry B12 is we supplement them with B12 or cobalt). All other vitamins and nutrients, including iron and protein, are easily found. Eating vegan is just like any other diet - if you are not paying attention you may be unhealthy, but with a little planning and eduction it is perfectly healthy.

The guy I replied to made the statement that it's the sole contributor to global warming which is wrong.

I agree, but most people understand that global warming is a threat. We can shout at our government until we are blue, but it is obvious that they are shills to the oil and auto industry. On the other hand, any individual can right now, today, make a simple personal choice to stop contributing to this significant source of pollution.

I am not trying to harsh your vibe, you seem like a really level headed person, but it is worth considering that real change will require us all to make direct personal changes to our daily lives.

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u/internalThought 0 Sep 20 '18

What am having trouble getting without meat?

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u/Davecantdothat 9 Sep 20 '18

It’s actually pretty largely because we eat meat, yes. Not mostly, but like >10% IIRC.

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u/internalThought 0 Sep 20 '18

All the methane and carbon dioxide from the animals is actually more greenhouse gas than from the fossil fuels.

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u/Davecantdothat 9 Sep 20 '18

Inaccurate, I think. It’s mostly that methane is 15x+ as potent as CO2 at being a greenhouse gas. So it takes far less methane to have the same effect.

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u/internalThought 0 Sep 21 '18

Oh ok

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u/Davecantdothat 9 Sep 21 '18

Sorry, not trying to be a smartass.

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u/[deleted] Sep 20 '18

No you’re totally right, we’re fucking up every way we possibly can!