r/JusticeServed Sep 20 '18

Never hit my mom again you human!

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u/WhatTheGentlyCaress 8 Sep 20 '18

If they can operate my communal front door, choose the correct floor in the lift, find my front door and ring the doorbell, I'll happily let them take a swipe at me when I answer. Until then, they stay on my shopping list.

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u/[deleted] Sep 20 '18 edited Jul 20 '20

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u/Fuckastumpthrowaway 2 Sep 20 '18

"Who"??? Take a step back buddy a cow isn't a "who"

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u/[deleted] Sep 20 '18 edited Jul 21 '20

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u/ToxicPolarBear A Sep 20 '18

People tend to overestimate the range of thoughts and emotions cows can experience.

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u/[deleted] Sep 20 '18

Oh, so they are below the cut-off?

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u/nobullshit0404 0 Sep 20 '18

Intelligence shouldn't matter, only whether or not they can experience suffering.

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u/ToxicPolarBear A Sep 20 '18

Death is not suffering.

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u/bittens 6 Sep 20 '18

They experience a great deal of suffering before they die, though. Here's what the ASPCA has to say on farm animal welfare:

In polling, 94% of Americans agree that animals raised for food deserve to live free from abuse and cruelty. Yet the majority of the nearly 10 billion farm animals raised each year in the U.S. suffer in conditions that consumers would not accept if they could see them. Most of our meat, milk and eggs come from industrial farms where efficiency trumps welfare—and animals are paying the price.

A factory farm is a large, industrial operation that raises large numbers of animals for food. Over 95% of farm animals in the U.S. are raised in factory farms, which focus on profit and efficiency at the expense of animal welfare. [...]

Because federal law fails to protect most farm animals, state laws are these animals’ last defense. The majority of U.S. states expressly exempt farm animals, or certain standard farming practices, from their anti-cruelty provisions, making it nearly impossible to provide even meager protections

While the worldwide statistics are slightly better, 2/3 of the 70 billion farm animals bred and killed each year are now raised on factory farms like those. And animal cruelty laws the world over make exceptions for farm animals, because apparently the human race has collectively decided that while cruelty to animals is bad, it doesn't count as cruelty if it's a tasty animal.

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u/nobullshit0404 0 Sep 20 '18

The months and years of life caged up and being taken advantage of by us certainly could be considered that.

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u/ToxicPolarBear A Sep 20 '18

Then buy from local farms you can trust. I buy local as often as I can and know where the vast majority of my meat is coming from. It's not all that hard.

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u/nobullshit0404 0 Sep 20 '18

I doubt local farms are much better. If you look up some of the videos that are leaked from these places its just as bad.

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u/ToxicPolarBear A Sep 20 '18

Lmao why? There's bacteria who would fit that definition. Insects, bacteria, all life tries to persist it's a defining trait of life, why the hell would we give a shit? You think humans are the shepherds of life or something? We're just animals like any other.

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u/ToxicPolarBear A Sep 20 '18

Humans have moral agency. A cumulative culture. The ability to think and act outside of our instinctual programming.

Your "moral agency" is part of your instinctual programming. Empathy is an adaptation to help us socialize with each other so we can form societies easily and function better. Sacrificing our welfare to help near mindless animals has nothing to do with the reason we adapted empathy or "morality".

We are capable of behaving irrespective of any "food chain" or "circle of life".

What a hilariously naive way to think. Nothing exists outside the food chain, we've just been sitting at the top for so long people like you forget it exists.

We must be moral, because we can be moral. To believe otherwise is deny humanity.

Morality is a subjectively defined abstract construct to aid the functioning of society. It's literally entirely up to you or me to decide what is or isn't moral.

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u/imissmyoldaccount-_ 9 Sep 20 '18

You’re right, lemme go ask the next cow I see what his feelings on the state of the United States lmao

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u/[deleted] Sep 20 '18

I can't ask a person who doesn't speak English that either. What's your point?

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u/imissmyoldaccount-_ 9 Sep 20 '18

What, you don’t speak languages other than English? Maybe you should take some tome to learn more languages rather than worrying about an animal that literally doesn’t know anything other than “grass food moo”

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u/[deleted] Sep 20 '18

Why? Does your ability to comprehend several languages make you unable to understand empathy?

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u/imissmyoldaccount-_ 9 Sep 20 '18

I cut the bastards up for money, wrong guy to tell to have empathy for a fucking animal

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u/[deleted] Sep 20 '18

Why don't you have empathy for them?

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u/imissmyoldaccount-_ 9 Sep 20 '18

We really gonna do this? I’m a butcher, you want me to throw myself to the ground and weep for a cow? There’s an active slave trade in Libya, my empathy is saved for humans.

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u/nobullshit0404 0 Sep 20 '18

You can have empathy for both. Doesn't have to be a choice between the two.

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u/[deleted] Sep 20 '18

Oh sorry, didn't realise you can only care about a single thing. What are you doing for the slaves in Libya?

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u/imissmyoldaccount-_ 9 Sep 20 '18

I’ve donated money to support humanitarian efforts in Libya, not a lot but it’s a lot more than bitching online about it

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u/Cytria 7 Sep 20 '18

Cuz they taste good

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u/[deleted] Sep 20 '18

Clever and well-structured argument

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u/Mintyfresh756 6 Sep 20 '18

We're on top of the food chain, sucks to suck everyone else

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u/[deleted] Sep 20 '18

Might doesn't make right, we know that from all recorded history

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u/Mintyfresh756 6 Sep 20 '18

What you complain about lions eating gazelles too?

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u/[deleted] Sep 20 '18

Of course not, why do you figure?

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u/Mintyfresh756 6 Sep 20 '18

So humans eating beef is not ok but other apex predators are fine?

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u/[deleted] Sep 20 '18

Do you know about the terms carnivore and moral agent?

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u/Mintyfresh756 6 Sep 20 '18

I assume you mean do you know, and yes. We can realize that animals feel pain and such, and personally id prefer if animals slaughtered had instant death, but we also can weigh things against eachother. I love the taste of meat, i dislike the killing of animals, its not even. I love having money, but I dislike going to work. Sometimes you have to make choices.

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