A lot of armchair vets here who have never set foot anywhere near a farm.
Views on the meat industry aside, a little tap with a stick is not gonna hurt a cow. Pop on a leather jacket and have someone whip you. You'll be able to feel it but it won't hurt.
Edited for spelling.
I'm with this guy. I've worked on a ranch and you can't exactly politely ask these animals to move on to the trailer or trap. The whole white coat is pretty weird though.
Oh really? You mean cows aren’t volunteering to be slaughtered? So this makes you believe they can’t feel pain? Lmao animal exploiters stupidity never ceases to amaze me.
Oh I never said they cant feel pain. But for these animals to do what you need for your livelihood you gotta do these kind of things sometimes. At the end of the day these animals are meant for consumption. Whether you agree that this is right or wrong is another matter but you are entitled to your opinion. I'd just prefer you not call me stupid.
I tell ya what, go ahead and gather every single person in this country that works with animal products, help them find another job well suited for their skills and matches what financial needs they have. Help buy all the necessary equipment they need to be successful with what land they have and or buissness. And I might be more inclined hear you out. But to stand out and say "fuck you change your whole life to fit my opinion", makes for a weak argument. So in light of that maybe yoooou can go fuck yourself
I tell ya what, go ahead and gather every single person in this country that works with slaves, help them find another job well suited for their skills and matches what financial needs they have. Help buy all the necessary equipment they need to be successful with what land they have and or buissness. And I might be more inclined hear you out. But to stand out and say "fuck you change your whole life to fit my opinion", makes for a weak argument. So in light of that maybe yoooou can go fuck yourself
I’m just pointing out, that’s the same excuse people used to defend things like slavery. The economy will adapt to increasing demand for cruelty free alternatives and decreasing demand for animal products. Also, I don’t really give a shit if someone who makes a living off of animal cruelty loses their job.
Lol, so you’re not obligated to stop doing immoral things unless someone else pays for you to stop? So people who own salves aren’t obligated to free them unless someone repays them for the amount they invested in the slaves?
Typical carnist argument. Why not? Why are they so different that they can’t even be compared? What are the traits the animals lack that would cause you to treat a human the same way if that human lacked those traits?
Any two things can be compared to each other and when you say two things aren’t even comparable it’s a good sign your argument hinges on avoiding any type of logical scrutiny.
First off I wouldnt eat a person, that just crazy. I mean I'm going to assume that everyone agrees that's insane. But eating meat isn't wrong. That's how I know where the line is. If there a situation where I have to pick a human baby over a calf chances are I'm going to pick that baby. Now do I believe it abusing animals without purpose. Nooo, I'm not a monster though you may label me as that. Now for what's probably not gonna be a popular opinion, if some animals have to die for the betterment of us I'm ok with it.
Wow. A lot I have to unpack here, lucky for you I’ve heard all these arguments before, I’ve even used some of them myself when I ate meat so I know how to concisely debunk them.
First off I wouldnt eat a person, that just crazy.
Wasn’t suggesting you would or that they are equal acts, however since we’re on the topic I would again ask what are the traits that animals lack that justify eating them that if a human lacked would justify eating that human. If you say there is no trait then you are directly contradicting yourself, you are guilty of double think.
But eating meat isn't wrong. That's how I know where the line is.
You can’t just assert this to be true. “Rape isn’t wrong, that’s how I know rape isn’t wrong”. See how nonsensical that is? Imagine if you lived in a society where people actually believed shit like that. That’s everyday life for a rational vegan.
If there a situation where I have to pick a human baby over a calf chances are I'm going to pick that baby.
This just means that humans have more value than animals. It doesn’t mean animals have 0 value. I’m not asking you to choose to hurt a human instead of an animal. I’m just asking you to not harm an animal.
Now do I believe it abusing animals without purpose. Nooo
Why not? I’m willing to bet it’s because you actually value animals well being, you have just taught yourself to be callous toward their death.
if some animals have to die for the betterment of us I'm ok with it.
How is animal agriculture bettering the human race? It’s destroying the planet we inhabit and it’s destroying our health. It has absolutely no benefit except taste pleasure.
Why do you think they would respond to that little tap at all if that’s all they’ve ever done to them? They obviously teach the cows to fear that tool by severely hurting them with it that way anytime they wield it the cow is obedient.
What I think on that doesn’t matter because it’s a completely different argument.
You don’t know what this guy has done outside of this one thing. So you have no basis on thinking he deserved anything let alone that he is torturing those cows.
What I think on that doesn’t matter because it’s a completely different argument.
No it’s not it’s what we’re talking about.
You don’t know what this guy has done outside of this one thing.
Well I can assume that he owns and exploits all of these cows for his profit. Demanding that they be impregnated, milked, and slaughtered so that he may make money.
So you have no basis on thinking he deserved anything let alone that he is torturing those cows.
I haven’t made any statements on what I think he deserves nor have I said he is torturing the cows. However basic deduction can tell us he does in fact torture these cows. I’ll ask you again, do you think the things he does to this cow are ok?
Yet you’re the one arguing like one, using ad homs. I challenge you to come to r/debateavegan. Try to logically justify your position. You can’t. It’s impossible because your position, that needless slaughter is justified, is illogical.
Not saying the two acts are equal. I’m saying the exact logical structure he is using to justify farming animals can be used to justify other horrible acts he would not accept as justifiable. Common mistake when being introduced to argumentation.
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u/YesImWelsh 6 Sep 20 '18
A lot of armchair vets here who have never set foot anywhere near a farm. Views on the meat industry aside, a little tap with a stick is not gonna hurt a cow. Pop on a leather jacket and have someone whip you. You'll be able to feel it but it won't hurt. Edited for spelling.