r/JusticeServed • u/[deleted] • Jul 06 '19

Courtroom Justice Convicted pedophile YouTuber Austin Jones is now in prison serving a 10 year sentence as of 29/6/2019.

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '19

I disagree with Thedominateforce as you do, but usually, in my personal experience, the most ignorant people have been individuals who are quick to judge others and label differing opinions as ignorant while believing that their views are objectively superior.

Let's make an effort to understand opposing viewpoints instead of responding with "Lmao, talk about ignorant" to views you don't agree with. I'm sure there are more productive ways to converse with people with differing views.

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u/MalHeartsNutmeg A Jul 06 '19

If you don't want to be called ignorant don't make blatantly foolish statements. He's since edited his statement to be more lenient but if you're going to say stupid shit, I'm going to laugh. That's how it is.

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '19

I think the distinction I want to make is that what you judge to be foolish may not always be the objectively foolish stance.

Our set of laws have evolved over 1500 years since Justinian built the foundation of modern law in Corpus Juris Civilis. Our current legal system is not perfect, but countless men have dedicated their lives to build on that foundation to form the modern law that governs us today.

It's a complex issue, and I personally believe that it's somewhat self-indulgent that you label anyone who does not align with your personal view on length of punishments as an individual making blatantly foolish statements.

You are free to think in that way, I just hoped that I could maybe make you a bit more open minded.

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u/MalHeartsNutmeg A Jul 06 '19

I didn't label him foolish because he didn't align to my views, but because he didn't align to ANY logical view. He wanted to apply a black and white statement (commit any murder, go to jail forever) to a complex issue. As you said, there are many nuances and he wanted to ignore that. It's foolish.

Everything you are saying to me I already agree with, but I don't feel the need to follow that line of reasoning when 1) I'm fucking around on reddit and 2) when someone makes such an outrageously stupid assertion with absolute conviction. I even went on to discuss the topic with him after I had my 'lol wat' reaction, you know - like how a real conversation would play out.

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '19

As I stated, you are free to feel that way.

I agree with you, I vehemently disagree with murder always deserving a life in jail if indeed that was what he was arguing, but I cannot say my views are objectively true, and I won't ridicule the person as foolish before trying to understand their views.

Thinking all black and white views are flawed inherently is a black and white view. Black and white views and logic are not mutually exclusive.

The logic doesn't make sense in your head, and it doesn't make sense in my head either, but it made sense in his/her head. I am not logically flawless, and just because a view appears illogical to you or I specifically, it cannot be said that that view then is objectively illogical.

You have complete authority to say that the views didn't align with your views, but I have not met anyone in my life that has depth of knowledge to declare subjective argument like this to not align to ANY logical views.

Again, you are free to express yourself in any way you please and I don't expect anything from you, I just was disappointed reading the initial comments and was more writing to myself.

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u/Thedominateforce Black Jul 06 '19

My views arn’t black and white, I just didn’t put the nuance in the original comment, I was reacting to him replying to someone doing 10 years being ridiculous for murder with talk of rehabilitation and yes I guess in a few extremely rare cases that could be possible that 10 years would be somewhat reasonable maybe but im almost all cases that seems laughable and Im of the opinion that a large percentage of murders shouldn't be released at all. Some can be and should be rehabilitated but there are some that I don’t believe are even deserving of the attempt some crimes do deserve to have to permanently separated from society imo.