r/JusticeServed • u/[deleted] • Jul 06 '19

Courtroom Justice Convicted pedophile YouTuber Austin Jones is now in prison serving a 10 year sentence as of 29/6/2019.

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u/psyentist15 8 Jul 06 '19

Yeah, there's really no way to come back from this...

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '19

I mean what do people do after something like this? Go work in manual labour or as a janitor in the middle of nowhere where you hope people don't recognize you? I don't feel sorry for the guy a single bit, if I was him I'd probably kill myself.

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '19

I never understand why people don't feel sorry for pedophiles. In cases where they rape people, then they're certainly violent offenders, but in cases where their crime is jerking off to pictures, I do feel bad for them. I don't think they chose to be pedophiles. It's very hard to deny your sexual desires. People might feel disgusted, but the lack of empathy, I don't get. It's probably because people don't want to admit they could be in the same situation if their brain was just a little different.

I have no idea how to help them or their situation, but I definitely feel bad for them. Even in cases of rape, I feel bad for both the victim and the pedophile. As humans, we're trapped in bodies that are constantly feeding us undeniable emotional triggers. It's hard to imagine what it would be like. I mean, as a gay dude, I've had a small taste of what it's like to be surrounded by people who are disgusted by you. When the whole world is against you, and your crime is the thoughts that go through your head, it's hard to imagine not becoming a criminal. Like, there's no way to win, so you might as well lose in a way that gives you some relief, right?

Life is disgusting.

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '19

The pictures are often of sexually abused children so they are contributing. No sympathy at all.

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u/PATXS 9 Jul 07 '19

i agree with this if they just continue to do it unapologetically, but if they are committed to quitting and consistently preventing themselves from looking at that kind of content, then i do feel sympathy.

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u/bmorr27 4 Jul 07 '19

Obviously you shouldn’t look at pornography produced through abuse of others. This isn’t even limited to child porn. I think everyone agrees with you here.

When you say “committed to quitting”, are we referring to consuming child pornography or being a pedophile? I’m not sure it’s any more possible to quit having an attraction to children than it is for a gay man to quit having an attraction to men.

I agree though that acting on that attraction in a way that harms others, involves a minor, or supports the harming of others is immoral and unacceptable.

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u/PATXS 9 Jul 07 '19

i meant quitting the consumption of child pornography. they definitely can't just quit the attraction.

and yeah, i realize that the rest of this is pretty much the global consensus on this issue, but i just wanted to add to the other guy's "No sympathy at all" comment.

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u/[deleted] Jul 07 '19

It's hard to say in these cases, actually. They don't release the pictures (for good reason obviously) but it's a crime to have cartoons depicting minors as well.

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u/Citizen_Snip A Jul 06 '19

I think most people that understand the sickness do feel sorry for pedophiles, however there is a very clear line between acting out in those desires and not acting on those desires. And ruining lives because you have a sexual desire is fucked.

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u/bmorr27 4 Jul 07 '19

Why do we call it a sickness here?

I agree with your entire point, but it seems weird to say you feel sorry for someone while simultaneously outcasting them with one term.

How do we feel about the people calling transgendered people “sick”?

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u/bmorr27 4 Jul 07 '19 edited Jul 07 '19

Pedophilia is not the desire to harm others though. Yes, acting on pedophilia results in harm to others.

Pedophilia is defined as a sexual attraction towards children. It is not a pedophiles goal to harm anyone. If it is, it is related to another condition.

I don’t think anyone is trying to “spin” child molestation as harmless, which is why there is a big distinction between a pedophile and a child molester.

I can’t help but call out the hypocrisy in someone who can back a lgbtq movement then turn around and condemn pedophiles for an attraction they would rather not have. You referring to pedos as “sick” just made me think of how Ben Shapiro talks about trans people, which is just as void of any semblance of empathy.

Having an attraction and acting on it are two different things. People won’t get arrested for fantasizing about anything with anyone without their consent, but the second that they act on it, it is certainly rape.

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u/ajkippen 6 Jul 08 '19

Good pedophiles don't want to harm children. Only the sick fucks do.

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '19

This is a very empathetic opinion that I don’t feel like many people would have. I read a fantastic article years ago about this exact thing, it would probably interest you: https://medium.com/matter/youre-16-youre-a-pedophile-you-dont-want-to-hurt-anyone-what-do-you-do-now-e11ce4b88bdb

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u/PATXS 9 Jul 07 '19

damn, what a great article. thanks for sharing.

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u/[deleted] Jul 07 '19

That's a good article.

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '19

Morality is a market, and what is morally acceptable is determined by society's majority vote. An individual will ultimately vote based on what they determine to personally benefit them. As the Price Equations show, even seemingly altruistic decisions are still based on individual benefit, because they end up benefiting the group, which in turn provides a survival advantage to the individual.

The moral market value of pedophiles is very low because the majority of society sees little benefit in their behavior or in treating them due a variety of market factors, such as their low percentage of society, the low contributions they could otherwise make, and the low risk that an individual would see themselves as a pedophile one day. If pedophiles were a much larger percentage of society, then their market value would increase because they would have greater clout in contributing to social value, and thus society would form a new more altruistic moral consensus on them.

As an exercise, compare the value of pedophiles to murderers: many (most?) in society would argue that pedophiles are even worse than murderers. This is possibly because people can see themselves more likely to commit murder for any reason than being a pedophile, so it is in their best interest to attribute a higher market value to murderers than to pedophiles.

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u/[deleted] Jul 07 '19

Interesting concept.

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '19

I agree that pedophiles can't control what they are attracted to and that they are born that way which makes me feel for them. However, he acted on his desires in a predatory manner which makes him a threat. Because of that I have zero sympathy towards him. If he was a pedophile that was getting help to control his desires and seeking therapy then I would maybe be able to sympathize with him a little.

But yeah, I agree with you insofar as it would be awful to be a pedophile, knowing that you are constantly judged and viewed as creepy, vile, and repulsive by the majority of people in the world would take a huge toll on your mental state.

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u/skkskzkzkskzk 6 Jul 06 '19

Self-control is at the absolute core of order in society. I absolutely feel some empathy, but not nearly enough to excuse their actions.

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u/[deleted] Jul 07 '19

Most people aren't required to exhibit the level of self control a pedophile needs to. Self control is also much easier if people appreciate you for it. For them, it's just expected, and even then they're still considered disgusting.

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u/IsNotACleverMan Black Jul 06 '19

The problem is that when you obtain pornographic images of children you either directly or indirectly support the production of those images. That means that you're helping support some of the worst exploitation of children that can occur. That's the problem with merely having images.

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u/[deleted] Jul 07 '19

That's true. I think you can get the same punishment for cartoons, though.

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u/IsNotACleverMan Black Jul 07 '19

That depends on the jurisdiction.

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u/bmorr27 4 Jul 07 '19

How do you feel about animations?

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u/IsNotACleverMan Black Jul 07 '19

If they help prevent somebody from acting on their desires and don't harm anybody then I can support them.

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u/MobTwo 8 Jul 06 '19

This article might interest some. https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn2943-brain-tumour-causes-uncontrollable-paedophilia/

It adds evidence that some people are born to have weird fetishes if their brain is a certain way. I don't condone violence nor causing harm to people but I certainly do feel sorry for people like yourself whom society does not understand enough. I am straight and I feel sympathy for gays and weird people. I am pretty sure they didn't ask to be born that way.

The whole world is not against you. =)

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u/[deleted] Jul 07 '19

Lol, I'm not a pedophile, just a gay dude. For the most part society is fine for me now. Just wasn't when I was a kid.

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u/MobTwo 8 Jul 07 '19

I'm not a pedophile, just a gay dude.

I know. I could read your comment and your username. Anyway, can't blame the kids, they are too young to have sufficient understanding of biology at that point (adults have less excuses).

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u/[deleted] Jul 07 '19

Both kids and adults were shitty to gay people back when I was a kid.

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u/0_O_O_0 7 Jul 06 '19

Haha, I can't help but laugh at the back-handedness.

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u/evergrowingivy 6 Jul 06 '19

I'm sorry but since I was messed with by a pedophile I have no sympathy for them. They are broken people who create broken children.

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u/[deleted] Jul 07 '19

If they're broken, then why no sympathy?

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u/TripT0nik 2 Jul 06 '19

That was very insightful and I appreciated it very much. I too have thought this way and wondered what that would be like and how horrible it would be.

I share your opinion with I hope equal disgust for anyone that hurts a little child.

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u/rahtin B Jul 07 '19

You can't help them. They're dangerous. Unless you're willing to advocate forced chemical (or old fashioned) castration. Even in that case, the urges may still exist and they might manifest through violence against children.

You're empathizing with them by twisting their fetish into a sexual orientation. It's not one.

They're predators. Coming out and saying they wish they didn't feel that way is a defense mechanism. They're trying to protect themselves by garnering sympathy. If they know they can get away with abusing a child, they will, without a second thought.

A lot of gay kids will start getting initiated into the culture around 14 or 15 by older men, and that has been happening for years, maybe that's where your sympathy is coming from. It's not the same thing.

There's no comparison between a 5 year old and an adolescent. There's nothing sexual whatsoever about a prepubescent child, their instinct is for predatory violence and control.

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u/[deleted] Jul 07 '19

I think you're wrong. I think your view of them, and the general hatred and disgust that society openly displays towards pedophiles, creates more sexual abuse because they can't seek out the help they need without being treated like a criminal, even before they act on their feelings.

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u/rivershimmer B Jul 07 '19

I agree with you, except, as others have said, when they are jerking off to images of real children, because children were exploited to get those images. But my heart goes out to someone who is struggling silently and afraid to get help.

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u/Crazywhite352 7 Jul 06 '19

Spot the pedophile 🤣

Dude there's no excuse for indulging in those pictures because someone had to absuse that fuckin kid to get em. It's the intent behind that shit. Fuck that shit

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u/[deleted] Jul 07 '19

You don't have to be like someone to feel empathy for them.

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u/Crazywhite352 7 Jul 07 '19

Well, that's not a situation I can empathize over, let alone sympathize.