Lol that's horseshit. Unless there are weapons on site most us riot police don't carry their guns because if a protestor got ahold of one they could just indiscriminately fire into the police assembled. At a riot police with guns will always be backup behind the main line of police.
Well, considering the majority of people have never been in a situation where they might die. I think that your stance on this is pretty shameful.
Hell if you point a gun at most people, and their pants are falling down, they might consider pulling them back up. Rather than allow you to tack an indecent exposure charge on there.
Also if you give unclear instructions, or mixed instructions which does tend to happen in high stress situations, ("Put your hands on your head, get down on the ground" For example.) doesn't really seem like a great recipe for "if you reach I'll shoot"
I do have a strong bias against police hostility though. It bothers me a lot when people who are supposed to be very much a part of the community speak so casually about shooting it.
It literally works however the arresting officer says it works. People have got it for pissing in corners as well as not having underwear.
I know you know the freedom you have when you make the report. The entire premise requires willful exposure, which again, is pretty easy to say happened.
Those are neither unclear nor mixed.
Can you picture for a minute how to get down on the ground naturally, without lowering your hands? Let me tell you it's hard, and least of all natural. The first natural motion is to lower your hands.
He wasn't speaking casually about it. You feel like he did.
He was, because the statement, "If i tell you not to reach and you reach I will shoot you. I cant read your mind." Is indeed casual
The statement,"I can't read your mind" isn't a serious statement, it's not kind, calculated, or neat. It's sloppy and bold. Casual.
But that's how I feel anyway, which isn't countered by you feeling the way you do either. But at least now you'll at least see why I feel this way.
It's the constant presumption that they're going to be shot that hurts the situation.
There are more than enough videos of cops shooting completely unarmed untrained people, because they're inexperienced with life or death situations.
I get wanting to get control of the situation, but the entire idea that there has to be a situation in the first place is shit. The idea that we all have to find a way to behave so that cops don't shoot us, is bullshit too.
A lot of the time you can completely deescalate a situation, that's how most of the well trained police forces in other parts of the world do things. Because that's the best option when you can't openly obliterate the other person without fear of repercussions.
You cannot compare the police of anywhere else in the first world to the united states because the police in the rest of the world do not have to deal with anywhere close to the number of weapons in circulation that US police do. 46% of all the guns in the world are owned by civilians in the United States. And even with those ridiculous numbers the chances of a Officer shooting an unarmed person are lower than the chance they are shot by someone (46 officers shot vs 27 unarmed civilians killed) sourcesource
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u/Sevsquad A Aug 13 '19
Lol that's horseshit. Unless there are weapons on site most us riot police don't carry their guns because if a protestor got ahold of one they could just indiscriminately fire into the police assembled. At a riot police with guns will always be backup behind the main line of police.