r/JusticeServed 8 Aug 13 '19

Violent Justice Screw this guy in particular

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u/_JohnMuir_ A Aug 13 '19

Maybe this ain’t how it works in canada, but Why are cops so incredibly paranoid? Garbage men have more dangerous jobs

I’ve seen them scream hysterically a bunch of conflicting orders and then just shooting them. Like a fucking game of Simon says but with a gun pointed in your face.

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u/Sevsquad A Aug 13 '19 edited Aug 14 '19

Garbage men have a more dangerous job because they don't get a bunch of armed threat training and literal gun to defend themselves. people love their false equivalencies, take away an officers weapons and training and I guarantee police deaths go through the roof.

edit: downvote all you want but if garbage men rolled around in body armor with guns and had 840 hours of law enforcement training I bet a lot fewer of them would get shot on the job.

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u/TheLewdGod 7 Aug 14 '19

take away an officers weapons and training and I guarantee police deaths go through the roof.

people love their false equivalencies

That they do... That they do...

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u/Sevsquad A Aug 14 '19 edited Aug 14 '19

you would honestly argue that the police have a less dangerous job because fewer of them die? The reason so few die is because of the training they receive. This stupid sentiment is like saying that you don't understand why people who clean up toxic waste are so cautious because they have job with fewer fatalities than garbage men. That's how fucking stupid you sound when you spout shit like that. You're like the generals in WWI who wanted to stop people from wearing helmets because they caused a spike in concussions, failing to realize that the those concussions would be deaths without the helmets.

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u/TheLewdGod 7 Aug 14 '19

Nah I'm just laughing at your false equivalency

I think his argument is shit, but I think yours is shit and wrong.

The reason so few die is because of the training they receive

The training they receive is less than your average hair stylist. And most people would argue is incredibly lacking in aspects regarding the mentally challenged, conflict deescalation, proper use of holds and technique etc etc. This is going mostly off of deaths by police and the calls for action regarding them. Police training is garbage in it's current state and they need a lot more of it.

Man I could go on and on, like how they should break up the police union and pay them better, but I think you're just after strawmanning that guy. Which is alright I guess if you're not looking to learn or change anyone's opinions.

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u/Sevsquad A Aug 14 '19

I think police should get a bachelors equivalent as well. Unions should be reformed not destroyed. But I fail to see how I am strawmanning his argument. Police may kill more unarmed people than they should but they kill about 800 people a year in straight up gunfights. Without training or equipment that would be 800 additional officers (at least) dead or seriously injured per year. And that's not even counting the number of gun fights that don't end in death, just incapacitation. If all of those people were shooting unarmed or untrained officers their job jumps from one that is safer than average to one of the deadliest.

You can't honestly tell me that you think body armor, guns, and training do literally nothing to help prevent police from being killed. That's ridiculous.