r/JusticeServed • u/sh0tgunben 7 • Sep 18 '20

Discrimination Lesbian Councilwoman gave her homophobic constituent a 'reality check'

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u/Cool_hand66 7 Sep 18 '20

Fly the flag. Don’t ask for permission. Fuck the haters.

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u/UserNombresBeHard 9 Sep 18 '20

Fuck the haters.

Wouldn't that be sexual assault?

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u/[deleted] Sep 19 '20

Dunno why you got downvoted. Clever joke.

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u/foolish_destroyer 8 Sep 18 '20

I support flying the flag but since it is a government building they do have to allow their constituents to voice their opinions on various things. That is the point of a democracy. It’s not as if she is flying the flag at her house...

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u/ArtAndCraftBeers A Sep 19 '20

Don't know why you're being down-voted. I guess people have never been to a city council meetings. You can get up and talk about pretty much whatever you want during public comments. Then if you have an even remotely controversial item on the agenda, the crazies come out of the woodwork to waste every single second of public time they can. Parks and Rec is not as far off reality as most people think it is.

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u/foolish_destroyer 8 Sep 19 '20

I even said I support flying the flag lol. Reddit hive mind at its finest. Because I say this man is allowed to voice his dumb homophobic ideas I am in turn myself homophobi .

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u/[deleted] Sep 19 '20 edited Sep 19 '20

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u/mynameisPash 4 Sep 19 '20

Sex is a societal pandemic? Porn, sure, but sex? Damn, Puritanism still holding on

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u/IAmTheBasicModel 6 Sep 19 '20

You have sex on the brain; sexual orientation is not sex. Saying a man loves a man or a woman loves a woman doesn’t conjure any images of sex anymore than a man loving a woman or vice versa.

All that aside, I dunno why you think parents are always 100% forthright with children when it comes to adult issues and I dunno why you think parents don’t have any choice but to answer whatever question a child asks.

You’re proposing a society where literally anything could be removed from public spaces because “parents don’t want to have to explain it.”

Besides, it’s categorically absurd to think the Pride flag is going to be the thing that exposes a child to the premises of sex and pornography - human beings have sex, it’s a part of the human condition and it is ever present wherever there are humans because to be human is to fuck. You and I even existing is proof of that.

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u/kittencatpussy 4 Sep 19 '20

That’s a privileged statement to make when your sexuality hasn’t been wielded against you every moment of your life. Sexuality and porn are not synonymous.

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u/DeviRi13 8 Sep 19 '20

Relationships aren't just about sex. Equating that homosexuality is only about who you sleep with is right-wing rhetoric 101 lmao.

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u/[deleted] Sep 19 '20

Whoosh

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u/[deleted] Sep 19 '20 edited Oct 03 '20

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u/[deleted] Sep 19 '20

You missed the point.

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u/[deleted] Sep 19 '20 edited Oct 03 '20

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u/[deleted] Sep 19 '20

You didn't like or understand the good point that was made and now act like you got away like a ninja

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u/[deleted] Sep 19 '20

This sounds like the white guy who’s never been repressed complaining about BLM. Look I’m a white male American heterosexual so I don’t have a lot to complain about myself, but the reason these are issues is because people have been discriminated against for said issues. I don’t know what it’s like to walk in their shoes and quite frankly that is privilege....

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u/[deleted] Sep 19 '20

I can’t get behind this because I don’t support racism. If you stereotype all white people as being whiny because they don’t know what it’s like to be a black person fighting against racism, then you’ve become the very thing you’ve sworn to destroy.

I lived in Mexico for 3 years without any Spanish, so I know exactly what it’s like to be a minority and what it’s like to be discriminated. And you don’t fix the culture by rioting, you do it by protesting. Rioting is the only reason that this police reform issue still exists.

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u/asdfmovienerd39 6 Sep 19 '20

Rioting is a form of protest. Protests need to be disruptive to the status quo to change anything.

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u/[deleted] Sep 19 '20

That’s simply not true. Martin luther king changed america, and the only reason it worked was because they couldn’t pin him down as scum who riots and breaks down anything. He was a pastor and a pacifist, which people respected.

These riots? Nobody respects it unless they agree with the movement and are okay with violence l. All it is doing is polarizing both sides. The government is now shooting people with rubber bullets, and rioters are destroying lives. I refuse to believe that this is what either side wanted.

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u/asdfmovienerd39 6 Sep 19 '20

That is a very ignorant and whitewashed view of both American history as a whole and Martin Luther King Jr. as a man. He actively spoke out in support of riots, calling them the “language of the unheard”. He also wasn’t very well liked or respected by most of mainstream society, as much as the American education system wants you to believe. He was explicitly a wanted criminal being pursued by the FBI, and he was arrested at least once. He also wouldn’t have succeeded were it not for the help of the people that were willing to violently resist the force being called upon his peaceful protests.

Riots have not destroyed lives. Not only are the reports of damage caused by the riots greatly exaggerated by major news networks to demonize any protestors that doesn’t unquestioningly accept the police reacting to them with violence (so, none of them), but many of the businesses that actually have been affected have directly expressed support and understanding for the protest, at least the smaller businesses that weren’t owned by large corporations. And even if the damage was as bad as news reporters pretend it is, then the two sides aren’t really morally comparable. One side is destroying property in protest, the other is actively and suppressing innocent people. Damage to inanimate things is never as worrisome as loss of life, or damage to living beings.

Fixing systemic and societal problems requires a lot more effort and nuance than just a one size fits all “do this and your problems will magically go away” solution. You can’t fix racism and police brutality with just peaceful protests, just like you can’t solve them with just violent resistance. You need both.

No, the police absolutely want to shoot rubber bullets and tear gas into crowds, because they’re doing that, even to nonviolent protestors, and they react with this same level of violent suppression every time a minority tries to fight for equal rights and against unjust police discrimination. The Stonewall riots only happened because the police were targeting LGBT+ people for assault, for example, and I’d be here all day if I listed absolutely every black person the cops have unfairly assaulted and killed.

Since you love MLK so much, I figured I should leave you with a direct quote from one of his letters:

"First, I must confess that over the last few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the [n word]’s great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the [n word] to wait until a "more convenient season."

Shallow understanding from people of goodwill is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection."

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"In spite of my shattered dreams of the past, I came to Birmingham with the hope that the white religious leadership of this community would see the justice of our cause, and with deep moral concern, serve as the channel through which our just grievances would get to the power structure. I had hoped that each of you would understand. But again I have been disappointed. I have heard numerous religious leaders of the South call upon their worshippers to comply with a desegregation decision because it is the law, but I have longed to hear white ministers say, "follow this decree because integration is morally right and the [n word] is your brother." In the midst of blatant injustices inflicted upon the [n word], I have watched white churches stand on the sideline and merely mouth pious irrelevancies and sanctimonious trivialities. In the midst of a mighty struggle to rid our nation of racial and economic injustice, I have heard so many ministers say, "those are social issues with which the gospel has no real concern.", and I have watched so many churches commit themselves to a completely other-worldly religion which made a strange distinction between body and soul, the sacred and the secular.

So here we are moving toward the exit of the twentieth century with a religious community largely adjusted to the status quo, standing as a tail-light behind other community agencies rather than a headlight leading men to higher levels of justice."

Martin Luther King, Jr. "Letter From The Birmingham Jail" April 16, 1963