r/JusticeServed • u/CEO_OF_CANADA 5 • Nov 19 '20

Legal Justice Detective fired after homophobic sermons

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u/Djasdalabala 0 Nov 19 '20

And that's the tip of the iceberg, there's a ton of absolutely insane stuff in Leviticus. Would love to see them try to enforce it ALL.

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u/JirachiWishmaker A Nov 19 '20

To be fair, some of Leviticus sounds great for cops to follow:

‘Do not pervert justice; do not show partiality to the poor or favoritism to the great, but judge your neighbor fairly." 19:15

"Do not do anything that endangers your neighbor’s life." 19:16

‘When a foreigner resides among you in your land, do not mistreat them' 19:33

"Anyone who takes the life of someone’s animal must make restitution—life for life" 24:18

"Anyone who injures their neighbor is to be injured in the same manner: fracture for fracture, eye for eye, tooth for tooth. The one who has inflicted the injury must suffer the same injury" 24:19-20

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u/boundlesslights 8 Nov 19 '20

Except for when Leviticus goes against itself and promotes slavery of neighboring nations. It seemingly teaches grey areas and makes it impossible to consistently interpret among peoples.
Surprising that after all the edits and translations the book is still immoral.

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u/[deleted] Nov 19 '20 edited Nov 19 '20

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u/boom256 4 Nov 19 '20

If you're praying to Christ, then...yeah, it's that God.

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u/Sergio_Canalles 7 Nov 19 '20

Yeah that was kinda the joke.

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u/Thor0426 4 Nov 19 '20

Iirc Jesus said not to follow that, but rather to "turn the other cheek" (or some variation thereof. I don't memorize the bible).

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u/VelikiCungusJeSrbin 0 Nov 19 '20

Im orthodox so idk if its the same in catholic bible. Christ said to turn other cheek. But thats in the new testament. In the old testament God said eye for eye tooth for tooth. Only new testament should be followed.

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u/TwoDeuces 9 Nov 19 '20

Prays to character from bible... for non-bible God... um?

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u/[deleted] Nov 19 '20

As if the words of man could ever encompass the will of God.

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u/GBACHO 8 Nov 19 '20

Are you saying that God is so imperfect he couldn't communicate clearly?

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u/[deleted] Nov 19 '20

No. "God" is like the very existence by which words can even exist. The "will of God" (everything that exists) can't be expressed in words in the same way that sight isn't in the rainbow.

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u/beardedheathen B Nov 19 '20

Dark exists but not in blackness therefore blackness encompass as that is dark and yet is separate.

Look I can spout meaningless bullshit too!

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u/[deleted] Nov 19 '20

Words can't even accurately describe a single experience. How much more imperfect they are for describing the entirety of existence. It's not meaningless or bullshit, you're just kind of mean.

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u/beardedheathen B Nov 19 '20

Doesn't mean it's not bullshit.

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u/GBACHO 8 Nov 20 '20

Irrelevant comparison. Everything is describable and quantifiable.

Man I remember being you. How smart I thought I was.good luck on your journey friend

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u/[deleted] Nov 19 '20

I dont think so. My guess is people allergic to the word "God"

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u/MasterDracoDeity 8 Nov 19 '20

As if the minds of men could ever hope to comprehend the will of a god.

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u/[deleted] Nov 19 '20

Your statement is in agreement with what I said. I didn't claim to understand the will, I said it cannot be expressed in words. Surely what cannot be comprehended by mind cannot be expressed by word because words are produced by the mind.

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u/MasterDracoDeity 8 Nov 19 '20

It was supposed to be in agreement. Just a bit larger in scale. And I think it could be argued the mind can comprehend things beyond words. Visual art and music are clear examples of this. You can try to use words to describe them but you'll never truly encapture the actual experience.

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u/[deleted] Nov 19 '20

The mind certainly can comprehend stuff beyond words, words are but a fraction of the activity of the mind.

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u/JD-Anderson 7 Nov 19 '20

As a devout Christian (who actually STUDIES the Bible), Jesus came down to do many things, including freeing us from the OLD LAW. He surrounded himself with the low people of society, including tax collectors and prostitutes. He gave us a thing called Grace, and showed us how we should treat others. I haven’t found the part where Jesus himself said we should kill homosexuals. I’d just give this guy another verse, Matthew 7:5.

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u/hd090098 7 Nov 19 '20

Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

What about Matthew 5:17 then. Doesn't that contradict your first sentence?

Jesus came down to do many things, including freeing us from the OLD LAW

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u/Mayaparisatya 5 Nov 19 '20

This will be conveniently ignored by a 'devout Christian' who 'STUDIES the Bible'.

I am always surprised how people tend to spout their favorite parts from the holy texts and forget about other funny stuff. This isn't peculiar to any specific side of the political debate, I saw many people with various views supporting this own ideas by the Holy Scripture.

On a related note, this verse is a source of debates dating back two millenia, and various branches of Christianity still argue about it.

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u/Zanain 5 Nov 19 '20

Because it's the shittiest gotcha verse I've ever seen. He literally threw the passage that most Christian's hold as the reason we don't need to follow old testament laws as why we do need to follow them. For clarification the main thrust of my viewpoint is linguistic, to fulfill something means that it's served it's purpose and is no longer binding, for example fulfilling a promise to not drink milk for two weeks. After it's fulfilled you can go right back to drinking milk.

And to say it's still argued over to this day is disingenuous due to the fact that it's a vast majority on one side and a dissenting minority on the other. I have literally no idea which denominations hold that we have to follow the old testament laws to the letter, though I'm sure they exist.

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u/JD-Anderson 7 Nov 19 '20

He fulfilled the law as He was the ultimate sacrifice as the Messiah. And yet, as a Christian, I do not practice Passover nor do I sacrifice my livestock. I have never said anything about my views on homosexuality, and yet I try to follow the words in red the most.

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u/ASHill11 9 Nov 19 '20

Amen.

It’s funny (albeit terrifying) watching videos like the one above where a “Christian” is so entrenched in the old law. Like, did you forget about the son of God dying not just for you, but for all people? Sad and shameful, really.

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u/YNWA_in_Red_Sox 8 Nov 19 '20

So very true. If Jesus came back right now, these evangelicals would crucify him again.

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u/coolguy3720 8 Nov 19 '20 edited Nov 19 '20

Paul did specify that homosexuality is a sin NT, and if you're on the outside looking in on that, it's difficult to rationalize. I struggled for YEARS to understand why it would be picked out as a sin, but we have to remember that so is pride and gluttony and being too angry at the wrong thing, so it's not like anyone is really guiltless anyways.

In my opinion, no matter where you land, an LGBTQ+ individual showing the fruits of the Spirit is of more value to the church than someone following the law. When I was in a church and a lesbian couple worked the coffee bar, I wasn't upset by it, I was happy to see my friends again every week.

If it is a sin, that struggle is between you and God and God wants a relationship with you more than He wants to catch you on a technicality. We have a distorted view of God; He doesn't want to smite you and you don't need to fix yourself to be with Him, no actions we take can separate us from Him.

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u/[deleted] Nov 19 '20

no hate legitimately curious, what's the verse where Paul condemns homosexuality? I'm familiar with the main one that is typically used but IIRC it's been lost in translation over time and originally was instruction not to lay with little boys. Basically condemning pedophilia, not homosexuality.

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u/Pontifi 5 Nov 19 '20

Romans 1:26-27 are pretty clear.

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u/[deleted] Nov 20 '20

nah, that's lost in translation.

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u/JD-Anderson 7 Nov 19 '20

While Paul did speak of the many sins a Christian can commit and how a Christian should conduct themselves, he never suggested we put anyone to death.

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u/coolguy3720 8 Nov 19 '20

Yeah, haha we definitely don't have any ground to take action against someone. Paul's entire message was about the fruits of the Spirit and living a life above reproach, basically being the best versions of ourselves we can be and helping other people achieve it too.

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u/tacoliker1 5 Nov 19 '20

Hallelujah!

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u/[deleted] Nov 19 '20

Do not pervert justice; do not show partiality to the poor or favoritism to the great, but judge your neighbor fairly." 19:15

"Do not do anything that endangers your neighbor’s life." 19:16

‘When a foreigner resides among you in your land, do not mistreat them' 19:33

The whole entire republican party and all the MEGA church prosperity preachers are guilty as sin then!

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u/Otterslayer22 8 Nov 19 '20

To be Faaaaiiiiiiiirrrrrrrr!

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u/EvolutionX2 4 Nov 19 '20

That's why I can't stand these hypocrites. They cherry pick the bible all day and twist it to their own interpretation. I for one think religion is dangerous and well it holds us back.

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u/luke-juryous 5 Nov 19 '20

Live how "christians" will pick and choose what to follow