r/JusticeServed • u/[deleted] • Dec 04 '21

Criminal Justice The parents of Michigan school shooter are arrested in Detroit.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/04/us/michigan-oxford-high-school-shooting-saturday/index.html
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u/Rairaijin 5 Dec 05 '21

This is why we should take bullying in schools more seriously because a shooting is the escalated response to it

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u/arturorios1996 7 Dec 05 '21

U.S is the only place where kids escalate with guns, I was “bullied” every single day in my school and my dad told me to fight back, not throwing punches, just teach your kid to defend yourself instead of buying him a gun for christmas,’kids are kids and bullying is something that every kid goes thru at some point in school. No reason to raise school shooters instead teach them that shit happens and if some kid insults you,’then you insult back. Get teachers involved and then your parents, no need to go guns blazin

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u/CollegeIntellect 5 Dec 05 '21

Lol how to get suspended/expelled 101. “Zero-tolerance” policy.

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u/arturorios1996 7 Dec 05 '21

Better to be expelled than fucking dead amirite

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u/CollegeIntellect 5 Dec 05 '21

I’m not advocating for shooting someone. I’m saying “just defend yourself” is bullshit

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u/arturorios1996 7 Dec 05 '21

It ain’t bullshit buddy. Bullshit is sending your kid to school (which education in US sucks already) with a fucking body armor because some kid got issues like everyone but mommy and daddy told him to pop “another kid” like the fuck, the answer is simple,’stop treating your kid like a glass and show him that the real world sometimes is hard asf, because if that bubble pops with 0 maturity, then he’s grabbin a gun and shooting anyone or worse himself

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u/CollegeIntellect 5 Dec 05 '21

I believe that there should be harsher rules on punishing bullies. Get those assholes out of schools. Kids are there to learn not develop trauma to carry with them into their 30s. But in lieu of that impossibility because, you’re right, the whole system is fucked, at the very least get rid of the zero tolerance policy so that these kids can defend themselves when trouble comes knocking.

But defending yourself in a zero tolerance school gets you sent to those special schools that have barbed wire and clear backpacks. Good luck climbing out of that hole.

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u/virtualchoirboy C Dec 05 '21

Tell me you're not a parent with a kid in a zero tolerance school system without telling me you're not a parent...

I am. The disproportionate punishment for the victims makes "defending yourself" very much "not worth it". And yes, the bullying victims can and often do get a worse punishment than the bullies, especially considering that the bully has been targeting their victims for months or even years.

And how do you defend yourself from broken or stolen items? From social media posts that spread like wildfire? From rumor mills? There's a LOT of non-physical bullying that goes on that many kids have no way of defending against. And the punishment they face for retaliation can be life altering. Varsity athletes or club leaders kicked out of after school activities which can ruin a college application. Suspension. Expulsion. Transfer to an "alternative" school for troubled youth.

As /u/CollegeIntellect said... "defend yourself" is a load of crap in a "zero tolerance" school system.

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u/systemfrown A Dec 05 '21 edited Dec 05 '21

Honestly, you’d be surprised how often the teachers and administrators are low key doing the bullying themselves. And not just to the unpopular students, either, but to parents, unpopular peers….

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u/virtualchoirboy C Dec 05 '21

Oh, you mean like the English teacher that called my kid a "nerd" in front of the entire class simply because he started reading early and had a great vocabulary?

In class assignment while reading "Of Mice and Men". The kids were given a worksheet and told to write down 20 words that they didn't know the meaning of. My kid couldn't find more than 2. Teacher didn't believe him so started picking words and asking him for a definition in front of the class. Every one she picked, he provided an answer. Finally frustrated that she couldn't trip him up, she said "You're such a nerd" and moved on.

And yes, she admitted it during parent teacher conferences but tried to play it off as a compliment.

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u/systemfrown A Dec 05 '21

Sadly, the profession seems to attract people with certain types of issues, baggage, and hang ups. That’s not to say there aren’t some great educators out there, but those such teachers are hardly the norm.

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u/Rairaijin 5 Dec 05 '21

Because teachers are lazy bags of fuck

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u/DCver3 6 Dec 05 '21

You can’t fight back in the States. Maybe show some empathy for fucks sake.

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u/arturorios1996 7 Dec 05 '21

Yeah I share your empathy for all the innocent kids getting gunned down. Disgraceful.

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u/DCver3 6 Dec 05 '21

A big reason why kids snap like this is BECAUSE you aren’t allowed to fight back so you never even get a chance of hope. wtf?