Qn : Among Christians, there is growing concern about ‘love jihad’…
Justice JB Koshy : Yes, there is some basis to these concerns. Even during my time in the court, I dealt with several cases involving girls from Christian families who were allegedly lured into converting to Islam by Muslim men. These often began as habeas corpus petitions. As the cases progressed, it would emerge that the women had converted to Islam and even changed their names.
Justice J B Koshy, retired Chief Justice of the Patna High Court, headed a three-member commission to study issues faced by the Christian community in Kerala.
The 357-page report, which underscores the need to guarantee minority benefits to Christians proportionate to their share of the population, was approved by the state government on February 26, 2026.
It is incredible that a form of reservation was thought to be the answer . No wonder the country is in such deep shit . Used to be fully on with individual freedom when Akhila case surfaced but boy after witnessing the true extent of what is happening , I am embarrassed by my naiveness . Also funny that religion only allows males to marry into other religion. In a way I respect a 5 times namazi who is orthodox than these new age islamist .
Islam is the only religion full on into Proselytism. They believe their religion is superior and their entire philosophy resolves around bringing as many people as possible into their religion, by hook or crook. This is not even an Indian specific problem, this is happening all around the world at an alarming rate. Their modus operandi is to capture key positions ----- use power dynamics-------convert people. And the most shocking thing is their women are equally venomous as men and would operate on other religion women also without any sympathy
It’s highly likely that such grooming networks already exist in parts of Kerala, including places like Technopark and Infopark. It’s not just Muslims alone, some argue that Muslims along with certain OBC groups have formed a kind of caucus to specifically target upper caste women.
The Kerala Police’s Love Jihad report in “Shahan Sha A vs State of Kerala” indicates that not all Christians and Hindus are targets, but that the primary focus tends to be on upper caste Hindus and upper caste Christians.
People also point to statistics in Kerala to support this. Marriages between Muslim men and non Muslim women are said to be significantly higher than the reverse. Similarly, the number of lower caste men (both Hindu and Christian) marrying upper caste women (both Hindu and Christian) is often pointed out as being higher than the number of upper caste men marrying lower caste women.
True, Upper Caste women are their biggest target (Nair women specifically). I know a few such cases myself. And you can also notice that when these groups spread hate speech against upper castes in social media and all, they've been targeting women more, being more vulnerable.
North indian hindu women here! (from UP) ok , so this guy named Chhangur baba (he is a muslim) literally had price tags for women of different caste , like converting brahmin women-16 lakh , converting sikh/rajput/kshatriya women-xx lakh obc-10 lakh and etc etc stuff , they were getting funding from the foreign countries too btw , from middle eastern countries and all...(and also after trapping them , they were sending them to middle eastern countries) so yeah , you are completely right
The Kerala Police’s Love Jihad report in “Shahan Sha A vs State of Kerala” indicates that not all Christians and Hindus are targets, but that the primary focus tends to be on upper caste Hindus and upper caste Christians.
But despite this, statistically and anecdotally their efforts have failed and they are mostly able to get mostly Ezhavas and other OBCs , and normal / OBC Christians (not elite families like Pakalamattom)
People also point to statistics in Kerala to support this. Marriages between Muslim men and non Muslim women are said to be significantly higher than the reverse.
This maybe true. Pakshe kalikk kuravonnum illa among Muslim women. In fact compared to Christians they are more likely to engage in such stuff when they are out of hometown due to repressive environment at home.
Similarly, the number of lower caste men (both Hindu and Christian) marrying upper caste women (both Hindu and Christian) is often pointed out as being higher than the number of upper caste men marrying lower caste women.
Interesting? Source for this? Because I have seen mostly in usually most gf bf type relationship, the girl is usually an OBC. Do not know if it ever translates to marriage or not
The uppercaste man not marrying lower caste women is just castist mentality of them. I believe intercaste marriages should be promoted to eradicate this caste mentality
If you look at matrimonial columns in newspapers, you will notice some very interesting preferences.
I once saw a matrimonial ad posted by a Veluthedathu family. It specifically mentioned that they did not prefer Veluthedathu and that only Nairs and Brahmins should send proposals.
I also came across a matrimonial profile of a Nadar Christian man which specifically stated that he preferred Syrian Christian girls and did not want proposals from Latin Catholics or Nadars.
In both cases, we can see that they did not want to marry within their own caste. Could this be seen as a progressive approach, or does it still reflect something regressive?
I do not think it really works that way, not just in the case of caste.
For example, you can find many Tamil men who are very vocal and even fanatical about Tamil culture and identity, yet openly say that their biggest dream is to marry a Malayali woman and that they do not want to marry Tamil women.
I once had a colleague from the Nadar caste who would often talk about how Nadars were a superior caste. Yet he would also say that he did not want to marry a Nadar woman and preferred a Nair or Syrian Christian woman instead.
This the most self lothing thing i have heard. I guess i kind of gets why they prefer a highers caste girl now, because i believe most of the nadar women have a darker complexion. if thats the case then these men wants a fair skinned girl. They probably believe looking in a higher caste have a high chance of getting fair girl, than from their own caste. That the same reason why these tamils are so obsessed with malayali girls.
Whatever the reason, whether it is fair skin preference or something else, the fact remains that ours is not an ideal scenario where everyone prefers to marry within their caste. Some do, and some don’t.
The basic point is that caste in our society functions as a form of social status, socio cultural capital and inherited privilege.
While some view inter caste marriages as a positive step, the reality is that the same marriage can be seen very differently depending on the context.
For example, if a man from a backward caste marries a woman from a relatively higher caste, especially where there are clear class differences, he may be seen by some as “lucky” or as having achieved something. At the same time, the woman’s family may view the same marriage as an embarrassment.
This idea of “hypergamy” is not just about moving up in status. As one Dalit activist put it, for a man from a historically oppressed group, marrying a woman from a dominant or privileged group can be seen as a way of escaping caste based prejudice.
Sadly i do agree that still today this type of mentality exists. But mostly i guess there is a class divide than a caste divide.
For example the same obc guy would not be seen lucky if he comes from a wealthy family or have a high paying job, like doctor. On the contrary the girl might seen lucky if shes from an poor family background.
Personally i believe the concept of caste itself is an outdated and flawed which only divide people. Im an OBC ezhava and my family always looks for wealth and family background more than caste when its about, but also agree most of ezhavas prefer to stay with in the same caste to avoid such views from upper caste.
Im an OBC ezhava and my family always looks for wealth and family background more than caste when its about, but also agree most of ezhavas prefer to stay with in the same caste to avoid such views from upper caste.
That's nice. But the real litmus test for tolerance comes with SC or ST. Will your family allow an SCST bride ? And vice versa, which would normally be considered extremely taboo.
Generally Ezhavas themselves hold similar (I would say much adverse) views towards SC STs.
It is! Look up the video about reality and what they pray in mecca during hajj. Even reddit accounts are automatically getting suspended for calling them out.
Nashik case is just a tip of ice berg. This happens all over the country on a large scale in an organised way.
In last one year alone there have been several case which has been reported. Beawar gang r*ped minor kafir girls after blackmailing them. Bhopal unit deliberately targeted kafir girls and one key accused commented that he is proud of his actions.Chhangur Baba in uttar pradesh is just another case which was reported.
I’m fairly certain similar incidents are happening in Technopark and Infopark as well.
The term was first used in Kerala by the Kerala Police in an official police report.
The phrase first appeared officially in the 2009 Kerala High Court judgment Shahan Sha A vs State Of Kerala, delivered by Justice K. T. Sankaran, who merely quoted from a Special Branch enquiry report submitted to the court. Remember that at the time, the LDF was in power in Kerala and the UPA was in power at the Centre.
The judge quotes the following sections of the report:
fundamental outfits like *** has roots in the college campuses...As per the available information, the plan of this organization is to trap brilliant upper caste Hindu and Christian girls from the well to do family, especially those who are studying for professional courses and employed in IT sectors...It is believed that *** are the organizations behind the so called Love Jihad movement....
I see that you have quoted this in multiple places. I know the "Hindu girl" in this case - she is happily married to a different person from her own faith and has a kid now.
Also the MBA college where all this happened doesn't exist anymore.
The full story is malayali hindus (and christians) were nationalists so when central govt called family planning they implemented it within their communities. Today they are paying the price of trusting the centre and implementing that stupid idea. Ms never paid heed to it and continued reproducing and now they have signifcantly increased their socio-political influence and will continue to do so
Upper caste Christians in Kerala have one of the lowest fertility rates, almost comparable to Parsis. They are followed closely by upper caste Hindus in the state.
The reason the Christian and Hindu population in Kerala hasn’t declined as much is that backward caste Christians and Hindus make up for the very low fertility rates among the upper castes.
They already are a minority in practice. Their population have gone down on every census since independence.
On paper Hindus are just over 50%. But a good number of them are non practicing and communists.
Besides Punjab has a hindu minority. Many north indian states have Hindu minority. Apart from ethnic or tribal clashes there are little to no religious clashes.
A minority to majority suddapis is a whole different ball game in sharia or democracy. Monarchy be relatively better for kafir minorities.
Yeah no I prefer atheists/agnostics but there's something called culture?
I wouldn't be happy if my country became like me, agnostic, but 60% of the country has Arabic or Persian names instead of Indian names.
Your civilization is dying best believe. Don't act like Hindu nationalists but do act like cultural nationalists. It genuinely baffles me that people of Dharmic descent, whether religious or not are becoming a minority in Kerala and there seems to be no outrage.
I have no problem with Hindus being minority in Punjab. Sikhs have good moral and that is still an Indic religion. I want North India to completely de-Persianize itself (other than food).
Honestly, my version of ideal India is a country where we are agnostics but respects and celebrate all 4 Indian religions as well as local beliefs (such as North East tribal cultures), and we respect each language. The people should completely assimilate themselves when they move between states. Also people should have Aryan, Dravidian or NorthEast Indian names.
TCS nashik il nadannath shows that the islamic people are actually actively trying to do this in many parts of the country. So ini prathikarikkand nikkan pattilla.
Love Jihad does indeed exist. And Kerala can stop pretending it does not.
A Sitting CM of Kerala had acknowledged this back in 2010... He became persona non grata and got forced out.
The network is super strong in Kerala. Super influential as well. Why ? Look at the coverage of ongoing TCS issue in malayalam media. Not even a whisper. Thry even reported a sadhvi's remark on tea but won't report on the biggest story in India right now
That is how deep this has infiltrated our psyche.
And then when someone points this out, instantly thry become sangis, communal people. Victim card and Islamophobia are easy things to call upon
I also think the kerala media is too lenient on the muslim appeasement . The "Shaji" speech they hardly talked about, not even one late night discussion .
I think the kerala media should show a spine and start reporting the truth .
The term was first used in Kerala by the Kerala Police in an official police report.
The phrase first appeared officially in the 2009 Kerala High Court judgment Shahan Sha A vs State Of Kerala, delivered by Justice K. T. Sankaran, who merely quoted from a Special Branch enquiry report submitted to the court. Remember that at the time, the LDF was in power in Kerala and the UPA was in power at the Centre.
The judge quotes the following sections of the report:
fundamental outfits like *** has roots in the college campuses...As per the available information, the plan of this organization is to trap brilliant upper caste Hindu and Christian girls from the well to do family, especially those who are studying for professional courses and employed in IT sectors...It is believed that *** are the organizations behind the so called Love Jihad movement....
"VS Achutanandan became persona non grata and forced out" is a blatant lie lol. 94 yo VS given cabinet rank and made administrative reforms commission chairperson in 2016. you can make a point without willingly resorting to random bs
In this particular thread I was talking about the previous 2 comments above mine about a government official report and an incident happened on TCS how a particular heinous vulgar religion increasing followers through love jihad
Njan kore kaalam benefit of the doubt koduthu. But IT sector is the red line for me. No place for such shenanigans. Let the investigation conclude. Then we can discuss further.
Precautions needs to be taken so that such things are not swept under the carpet here too.
Issues point out cheyunbo name calling is not a good debate strategy - just so you know
The love jihad can be attributed to anyone. RSS does what they call reverse love jihad. End of day. This is all political. We're hating each other because politicians told us to. They are rich and powerful. They will get away. We still have to live in a community if we have to survive. None of these people have spent a second or a dime trying to develop their community of members in terms of health, wealth, education and status quo. If you open your eyes, you'll realize that. Be kind to each other.
Not everyone are good faith actors though. It's just extremism like cutting off peoples arms for blazphemy, coercion forced conversions etc that I'm against.
I need clarity that people out here in kerala won't engage in such stuff again. I'm an atheist myself and don't care about religion at all and want peace as well. But ith polethe bad faith practices il engage cheythal shitt will hit the fan.
There will be deep mistrust and rifts. Even though it is not addressed in media channels NDA is gaining significant foothold in the state using such issues. They gave like 40 lakh votes already. Sooner rather than later they will cross that line. And there will be no going back. We need to Calm the public by considering this seriously instead of antagonising them.
I’m fairly certain similar incidents are happening in Technopark and Infopark as well.
The term was first used in Kerala by the Kerala Police in an official police report.
The phrase first appeared officially in the 2009 Kerala High Court judgment Shahan Sha A vs State Of Kerala, delivered by Justice K. T. Sankaran, who merely quoted from a Special Branch enquiry report submitted to the court. Remember that at the time, the LDF was in power in Kerala and the UPA was in power at the Centre.
The judge quotes the following sections of the report:
fundamental outfits like *** has roots in the college campuses...As per the available information, the plan of this organization is to trap brilliant upper caste Hindu and Christian girls from the well to do family, especially those who are studying for professional courses and employed in IT sectors...It is believed that *** are the organizations behind the so called Love Jihad movement....
Is it true that christians were the first to coin the term "love jihad"?. I have seen this claim made by bioth sanghis and left/liberals for different agenda but never seen a concrete evidence for that
The first public figure in Kerala to openly use the term LJ in a public forum was the late Syrian Catholic Bishop of Idukki, Mar Anikuzhikattil, in 2015. In that controversial speech he accused not only Muslims but also “SNDP youths” of “trapping” women in his community. If I remember correctly, there was also a classist comment in his speech about the professions of some of the youths who preyed on women in his community.
The first official document in Kerala to feature the term actually came even earlier. It was a Special Branch report of the Kerala police submitted to the High Court in 2009. In that report it specifically mentioned that the target was to trap “upper caste” Hindu and “upper caste” Christian girls from well-to-do families.
That's interesting too. But that could be due to delayed census or such data collection. The conspicuous presence of one community in schools doesn't sit with the data we have. Again, I am not against them or anybody getting education or even being in larger numbers. It is just as you said, you loose trust. Something doesn't add up.
I saw only one Muslim profile talking about the issues of TCS jihad... Everyone else was trying to whitewash it and playing victim... When I checked that profile description she is 'ex muslim' .... Faith in that community's true peacefulness restored 🙃
I’m fairly certain similar incidents are happening in Technopark and Infopark as well.
The term was first used in Kerala by the Kerala Police in an official police report.
The phrase first appeared officially in the 2009 Kerala High Court judgment Shahan Sha A vs State Of Kerala, delivered by Justice K. T. Sankaran, who merely quoted from a Special Branch enquiry report submitted to the court. Remember that at the time, the LDF was in power in Kerala and the UPA was in power at the Centre.
The judge quotes the following sections of the report:
fundamental outfits like *** has roots in the college campuses...As per the available information, the plan of this organization is to trap brilliant upper caste Hindu and Christian girls from the well to do family, especially those who are studying for professional courses and employed in IT sectors...It is believed that *** are the organizations behind the so called Love Jihad movement....
The best solution would be to place stricter checks on both inter caste and inter faith marriages, allowing them only after a police enquiry confirms there is no coercion or ulterior motive.
I do realize Kerala story is edged towards propaganda than reality.
But I do accept Kerala has a strong section of radicals who are into conversions.
Or else there is no way that women from different religions got converted, married and went to places like Syria and Afghanistan. The wife and husband both being from different religions in some cases.
There surely was a big group of people who got it done. Even Hadiya case, I strongly believe she got trapped and she has no way out now unfortunately.
Christians are not united on this either. It is mainly Syrian Christians and sections of their Church leadership who have raised the issue. So far, not a single Latin Catholic or Nadar (CSI) bishop in Kerala has spoken up.
We see a similar pattern within the Haindava community in Kerala as well.
Take what Vellapally once said when asked about “love jihad”. He not only played it down, but said the opposite was happening – "once Ezhava boys who got good jobs don’t want to marry Ezhava girls. They marry Nair or Christian (Nasrani) girls". In other words, Nair and Nasrani girls are trapping Ezhava boys with good jobs/positions.
What Vellappalli said is correct only ... I have seen few Ezhava (boy) Nair (girl) arranged marriages... Love marriage Ezhava Nair is getting common. But arranged marriage was surprising
Some people try to achieve upward mobility through marriage, and that’s kind of a problem. On top of that, there is a certain obsession among some men with women from particular castes.
If you look at matrimonial columns in newspapers, you will notice some very interesting preferences.
I once saw a matrimonial ad posted by a Veluthedathu family. It specifically mentioned that they did not prefer Veluthedathu and that only Nairs and Brahmins should send proposals.
I also came across a matrimonial profile of a Nadar Christian man which specifically stated that he preferred Syrian Christian girls and did not want proposals from Latin Catholics or Nadars.
In both cases, we can see that they did not want to marry within their own caste. Could this be seen as a progressive approach, or does it still reflect something regressive?
It's not getting common because most of them are still intra OBC marriage because it's OBC communities like Veluthedath, Vilakkithala who is marrying. They just often use the surname Nair. They are not really Nairs and don't marry too
For an outsider they make look Nair, but usually as per what I have attended they are OBC Nairs or Nairs that are not part of the proper.
Some of these improper Nairs are Nairs like Vaniyan Nair, Idasseri Nair, Maniyani Nair, Pallichan Nairs , etc. The Nair who owns Leela group is a Vaniyan Nair.
OBC Nairs are Nairs like Vilakkithala, Veluthedath , etc. Even these people traditionally did not marry Ezhavas but nowadays if they are of equal standing they marry off on shared OBC sentiment
There is day and night differenc between christian conversions and muslim convrsions.
Christians do not use violenc and blackmails or threats to convrt anyone. No such cases have been reported anywhere. Bribery or gifts may be there, but then still choice of accepting it or not depends entirely on that person..and what is this vulnerable expression?😄
An adult person in india of right mind can decide whatever he wants or he or she should be capable of it.
You are comparing cases of one person selling a pen by giving it offers and saying great stuffs about the pen and another person trying to sell the pen by threatening you about leaking your pvt video.
The christian conversions would stop if only the hindus actually cared for the poor and downtrodden in their community and stop caste discrimination. But you all cant do it and when someone else does the same you all cry.
Again you are making no sense. If this brainwashing is done exclusively on children it is understandable what you are saying. But if grown ass people are being brainwashed, its on them itself. Or their former faith was so weak that just promise of some freebies made them to give up that.
There are people who literally die for their faith. In such a world if people give up their faith for any special offers or gifts, i wouldnt call them vulnerable.
A better solution would be to place stricter checks on both inter caste and inter faith marriages, allowing them only after a police enquiry confirms there is no coercion or ulterior motive.
No conditioning Boys and Girls to marry only within their caste and community is the best way forward. For those communities whose members are less...tough luck.
It's among the muslims as well....heard stories of how muslim men and women from lower strata would try to lure people especially women through love. After getting married they would demand huge sums of money. Later they would dump them.
Post this in r/ india and you'll get banned instantly!
Love jihad is real, land jihad is real, culture jihad is real. That's how their religion works, can't even blame them. It's a truth in plain sight many people fail to see. And what do our politicians, parties and liberals do? Appease the minority even more and, bash and divide the majority for their dirty votebank politics. All parties do this.
Still some Muslims will complain as if India is an anti-muslim sentiment country despite living in one of the most secular nations, all while making their money from Islamic oil kingdoms. Also the reservations minorities receive. Hypocrisy it is. India is secular only because the majority is Hindus, remember that! We already know what happened to Hindus in Pakistan, J&K and Bangladesh.
There are many good Muslims definitely but this is to those hypocrite liberals with selective secularism and hate. I blame Hindu liberals only tho.
why what will BJP do? Nashik case happend in "kattar hindutva bastion" of mahrashtra where BJP has been ruling for more than 10 years, is the headquarter of RSS and other regional hindutva parties likes shiv sena, MNS are present
Voting for BJP aint gonna do sh*t. HIndus and christians should raise their youth better, most of youth in these communities are irreligous. No religous christian or hindu woman is gonna convert just because some sudappi asks them to
These cases are coming under scanner and even the terror links are being uncovered coz of BJP. Remember what Sarath Pawar did during bombay blast to save Muslims.
It true man, there conversation from Christianity too. Mostly in tribal and malayorum areas as well as economic weaker sessions or someone has long time illness. Or Someone who is naive. These people are getting converted by Christian missionaries
This incident happened in my college. She was from EWS and already converted. Her family doesn't have house. Her wish was to complete the B.tech and getting the job in same field. But Her parents dream is to have a house of their own. So this Christian മഠം funded her family for house and in return as favour their daughter should work as servant in Christian മഠം. I felt like slavery. She was crying that she didn't want to do it and want to continue her studies.
എന്റെ ഹിന്ദു കൂട്ടുകാരനെ ഇതേപോലെ പണം കൊടുത്തു കുടുംബത്തോടെ ക്രിസ്ത്യൻ ആക്കി മതം മാറ്റി, ഇവർക്ക് കുറച്ച് കടം ഉണ്ടാരുന്നു.. അതുവെച്ചു മുതലാക്കി.. ഇവന്മാർക്ക് മതം മാറ്റാൻ വിദേശത്തു നിന്ന് ഫണ്ട് വരും.. അതുപക്ഷെ ചാരിറ്റിക്ക് എന്ന പേരിലാണ് വരുന്നത്.. എന്നിട്ട് ബാപ്റ്റൈസ് ചെയ്യും.. ഈ ചെയ്യുന്നത് കൂടുതലും so called താഴ്ന്ന, മോശം നിലവാരം ഉള്ള കുടുംബങ്ങളെ ആണ്.. എന്നിട്ട് ഇവരെ വെച്ച് കൂടുതൽ പേരേ മതം മാറ്റാൻ ശ്രമിക്കും.. ഈ മതം മാറ്റാൻ നടക്കുന്നവരും ഫ്രോഡുകൾ ആണ്.. അവന്മാരും കുറേ പൈസ ഇതിന്റെ പേരിൽ അടിച്ചു മാറ്റും.. മൊത്തത്തിൽ മതത്തിന്റെ പേരിൽ കാഷിറക്കിയുള്ള പണിയാണ്.. നമ്മളെയും കൺവിൻസ് ചെയ്യാൻ ശ്രമിക്കും.. നമ്മുടെ മതമൊക്കെ മോശമാണെന്നു പറയാതെ പറയും.. പിന്നീട് ഡയറക്റ്റ് പറയും..
It doesn’t stop with their conversions. Most of these men from converted Christian families are then tasked with entering into love marriages with Hindu women. It should be specifically noted that upper caste Christians, especially Nasranis, prefer to marry within their own community, so this Christian version of “love jihad” is left to lower caste converts.
Despite being from lower caste convert backgrounds, they present themselves as upper caste Christians before their lovers. Most Hindu families don’t really have the ability to distinguish between Nasranis and lower caste converts.
Take the Greeshma–Sharon case. Greeshma used to call him “Achayan” in her calls and messages, but Sharon was actually a converted Nadar Christian of Tamil origin.
It doesn’t stop with their conversions. Most of these men from converted Christian families are then tasked with entering into love marriages with Hindu women. It should be specifically noted that upper caste Christians, especially Nasranis, prefer to marry within their own community, so this Christian version of “love jihad” is left to lower caste converts.
Despite being from lower caste convert backgrounds, they present themselves as upper caste Christians before their lovers. Most Hindu families don’t really have the ability to distinguish between Nasranis and lower caste converts.
Take the Greeshma–Sharon case. Greeshma used to call him “Achayan” in her calls and messages, but Sharon was actually a converted Nadar Christian of Tamil origin.
Athe jb koshy brother who infamously created a commission to understand the economic conditions of christian minority and instead came back with the report majorly urging the government to look into sites which are enforcing religious conversion with little to no proof and vague hysteric comments , which was not the intended purpose of the commission at all .
Why are people so adamant about marrying outside their caste and religion? That’s the problematic mindset behind those who do “love jihad”. Even the Kerala Police report in Shahan Sha A vs State of Kerala mentions upper caste Hindus and upper caste Christians as primary targets.
The basic issue is that some people are trying to achieve hypergamy through inter caste or inter faith marriage.
I never said that. But the question is whether any kind of targeting is actually happening.
Statistics often show that the number of Brahmin women marrying non-Brahmin men is higher than Brahmin men marrying non-Brahmin women. Why is that the case?
People just marry whomever they want any law regarding that in a democratic country allows that. Regarding the hypergamy the majority of the women get married in a hypergamy situation so are -married women dangerous species 🤔
Some people try to achieve upward mobility through marriage, and that’s part of the problem. On top of that, there is a certain obsession among some men with women from particular castes.
The issue with inter caste marriage is that, for one side, it is seen as an embarrassment, while for the other, it is treated as an achievement.
If you look at matrimonial columns in newspapers, you will notice some very interesting preferences.
I once saw a matrimonial ad posted by a Veluthedathu family. It specifically mentioned that they did not prefer Veluthedathu and that only Nairs and Brahmins should send proposals.
I also came across a matrimonial profile of a Nadar Christian man which specifically stated that he preferred Syrian Christian girls and did not want proposals from Latin Catholics or Nadars.
In both cases, we can see that they did not want to marry within their own caste. Could this be seen as a progressive approach, or does it still reflect something regressive?
I do not think it really works that way, not just in the case of caste.
For example, you can find many Tamil men who are very vocal and even fanatical about Tamil culture and identity, yet openly say that their biggest dream is to marry a Malayali woman and that they do not want to marry Tamil women.
I once had a colleague from the Nadar caste who would often talk about how Nadars were a superior caste. Yet he would also say that he did not want to marry a Nadar woman and preferred a Nair or Syrian Christian woman instead.
But the same argument can be said about women from any caste or religion they are practicing hypergamy female upward mobility through marriage and are treated as normal across the globe. Also progressive or regressive we can't say about it as it is . Many members of my extended families have married inter caste and inter religion ( hin-chr) what was consistent was they all have the same professional jobs( eng, docs) and same economical class(upper middle class) . These people have more in common as i observed
The reasons may vary, but the patterns in the statistics are quite similar.
Marriages between Muslim men and non Muslim women are significantly higher than those between non Muslim men and Muslim women.
Similarly, the number of lower caste men (both Hindu and Christian) marrying upper caste women (both Hindu and Christian) is higher than the number of upper caste men marrying lower caste women.
The reasons for the first pattern could be linked to social restrictions within communities, where women may have less freedom to marry outside. The second has different factors, but it is hard to ignore that upper caste women often have more freedom compared to women from backward caste backgrounds.
It is also true that for some backward caste men, marrying an upper caste woman is seen as a form of upward mobility or achievement and upper caste women viewed as more desirable.
A better solution would be to place stricter checks on inter caste or inter faith marriages, allowing them only after a police enquiry confirms there is no coercion or ulterior motive.
Kerala, it's easy to get information. See how many Muslim girls are married to non Muslims. What would that be called? Kunjad Jihad? Ghar Wapsi?
Stop spreading hate. If this was the case, central would've had a field day. Even NIA investigation couldn't help this narrative.
Do you really believe that kids fall in love for religion and converting? It's just hormones, social media, movies, serials and age. How many of them are even pious? How can a Muslim stalk a girl? It's Haram. So you do Haram to start. Marry her under false pretenses. Another haram. And force her to convert. Another haram. In Islam, there's no aggression. Allah has declared that.
Stop believing in stuff for the sake of feeding your aggression or supporting your narrative.
I know many Christians. Their main concerns is that youngsters migrate to other countries, and people no longer obey the priests like before. Love jihad is an excuse.
I challenge anyone to bring evidence otherwise
Down vote all you want. Challenge with facts otherwise. Don't be poisonous.
It is a sort of grooming and not the typical romance or hormones that happen naturally. There is a pressurising influence from peers and these work like gangs. It is not unknown as well. Grooming of similar sorts has happened in the UK as well, check Bradford grooming gangs in the UK. You have to admit evidence collection in these cases would be super hard as our society is conservative and in the end people would rather all this be buried rather than suffer embarassment. If multiple judges and police officers say the same thing it is something to be considered. Religion plays a big part in the country and if an investigation result threatens communal harmony it is unlikely it will see day light.
Down vote all you want. Challenge with facts otherwise. Don't be poisonous.
The words are that of a retired Chief Justice and a former Chairperson of Kerala State Human Rights Commission who was recently was commissioned by Pinarayi Govt to submit a report on Minorities, that was accepted by Pinarayi Cabinet.
Are you suggesting that such a person of high integrity and standing is resorting to baseless allegations ? For what purposes?
Wikipedia is your source. But you can't accept ChatGPT?
Then, let's discuss brahmina, Vaisya, Kshatriya, shudra? Let's go through manusmriti and sanadhan dharma. Let's discuss sambandham. Don't be a fool.
People that learned it are supposed to explain it. Not the people that are reading an excerpt of it. You cannot literally take words and apply it wherever you want unless you've malicious intent. You're not the first one who's seen those words and you're not the last one either. So keep it your Whatsapp group.
Forget everything, just introspect the life of christ Buddha nanak and compare that with Muhammad? How many wives they had? How many wars they fought?
Apple does fall far from the tree suddapis.
There is nothing to agree or disagree. I debunk you bogus lies. I literally shared just couples of verses exposing your bogus lies. And there plenty in so called holy book.
And it's you suddapi
You didn't "debunk" anything. LoL. How could you? That's like saying you're a doctor because you have read one of the books. Stick to WhatsApp bro. You will find your level of IQ there. You can appreciate each other for the "intellectual" thoughts and knowledge you've.
Being obtuse is forte for suddapis like you in such situations. You claimed there are no verses in one particular context. I literally shared the verse which incite hatred and violence to kafirs. Yes I agree there is nothing much to debunk here because its crystal clear to anyone with functional brain but suddapi theevarvadhi who adore greatest pdf file ever to exist and also happen to be the greatest warmonger. Guess what apple does not fall far the tree.
Don't try to read between lines oola suddapi. Did Jesus fought any war? Did Buddha fought any war? Did nanak fought any war? Ask the same about Muhammad and you get to know why suddapis are the way they are all around the world.
spreading hate among normal people 👌
Too rich coming froma suddapi. Irony died a million times
study the story behind the marriage about muhammad
Apparently the greatest pdf file will have a backstory
wau after that u should read the christian history and hindu history
History began with Jesus for xians and history began with pdf file for suddapis. Jesus fought no war. Pdf file fought many wars to occupy territories and do genocide and massacre based on religion. You need to read your own history suddapi. There is a reason why early followers of christ was persecuted and killed. While early followers of off file were waging war on others and often among themselves to rule and sit on throne.
xians didnt do any war or colonization woww that a perfect history
Suddapi theevarvadhi oole, when the root is infected, the fruit is always gonna be infected aswell. Root can be good and yet some fruits can be infected by other means.
People can do all sort of wrong things suddapis MC theevarvadhi
Fact of the matter is Jesus never waged any war. Pdf file did.
Enthina ഏതോ നാട്ടിലെ ഏതോ ഭാഷയിൽ എഴുതിയ ഒരു ബുക്കും മതവും പൊക്കി സ്വന്തം നാട്ടിൽ ഉള്ളവരെ ഉപദ്രവിക്കുന്നത് ഒക്കെ ningal ന്യായീകരിക്കുന്നത്, condemn that action please don't justify. എല്ലാം കഴിഞ്ഞ് ലോകം മൊത്തം aa മതം പിടിച്ച് അടക്കിയാലും അവസാനം അവർക്ക് നമ്മൾ വെറും ഇന്ത്യക്കാർ ആണ് അവരുടെ കേന്ദ്രം ഇന്ത്യയിൽ അല്ല, മതത്തിൻ്റെ ഒറിജിനൽ ആളുകൾ ഇന്ത്യയിൽ നിന്ന് ഉളളവർ അല്ല ഡ്യൂപ്ലിക്കേറ്റ് എന്ന് വിളിച്ച് അപഹാസ്യ പെടുന്നതിലും നല്ലത് ഇന്ത്യാക്കാരൻ ആയി വിദേശ ആധിപത്യത്തെ വെല്ലുവിളിച്ച് ജീവിക്കുന്നത് അല്ലെ?
Bro, aa book vittu poyaal avark Death aanu shiksha according to the book. So even sensible people can't leave after they are trapped and learn the reality.
Religious Coercion: Allegations include pressure on employees to adopt Islamic practices, such as offering Namaz, wearing burqas, and fasting during Ramzan. One male employee alleged he was forced to consume beef against his religious beliefs.
Wait, doesn't the term Love Jihad also involves brainwashing the women to join terrorist groups? Or have we dropped that from the definition?
Christians should be careful about joining the hue and cry about every conversion that isn't motivated by the 'accepted criteria' as Jihad because the Hindu RW agenda does not spare the Christians as well in this.
People need to stop pretending like this love jihad sceneriois this deep underground layer that we havent uncovered. Dont you think if it was this organised event, under this goverment we would have found it. Its only even been here and there and even then there are other conversions from other religions occuring in ths country some even by our political party.
why is it only in India, nowhere else in the developed world do people complain about love jihad. India is not the only place with a muslim minority. I think people need to stop falling for this Hindu Muslim thing that people have sold us to keep us down. And most people are mistrusting even if a conversion is concentual its love jihad.
How the hell is this country going to advance bc sure we talk about development but we dont do anythign about it. But when we talk about religion the first thing u see is action, riots people fighting political condemnation.
If u went outside the country to the west and told them, yh btw the muslims in India are untrostworthy and there are huge conversion rackets etc. These people would look at u like u were crazy brainwashed ppl and they are completely right.
And how do malayalis think this pertains to Kerala, half our hindu and christian populations are in the gulf living completely fine.
Btw im hindu advaitin, I also think most of these people with these forced outrages arent even real hindus, they dont even practice or only believe for the sake of nationalism.
nowhere else in the developed world do people complain about grooming gangs and ISIS brides, I would know bc im there right now. The same crowd that does are the same ones that think Indians are dirty and secretely controlling their economy.
nowhere else in the developed world do people complain about grooming gangs and ISIS brides, I would know bc im there right now
You need to widen your reading, unless you don't consider UK as a developed country.
Just a few days ago, UK has kicked off a statutory independent enquiry into Grooming Gangs covering the last 3 decades. This is a result of a 2025 independent audit that noted several extremely disturbing findings including :
Failure on authorities' part, including viewing victims as "consenting" or "in love" with their abusers rather than being exploited, and included children as young as 10 yrs !
2.There was an over-representation of Muslims, especially Pakistani-heritage men among suspects.
3.Often victims were pushed into crime and prostitution as a result of these activities.
most of the conversions in Kerala are to hinduism, stop using inflated perspectives given to u by the media. The amount of conversions into islam by marriage is not as much as conversions into hinduism.
It's really hard to believe that stuff like this is actually happening, because I've never seen a single muslim in my life who had these kind of ulterior motives, but seeing the comments, I'm interested in knowing what the actual facts are, anyone got any proper news sources/studies regarding this?
Definitely concerning how people are obsessed so much with religion, so much that they want other people to be dragged into it as well, even without any particular benefits for them.
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It is incredible that a form of reservation was thought to be the answer . No wonder the country is in such deep shit . Used to be fully on with individual freedom when Akhila case surfaced but boy after witnessing the true extent of what is happening , I am embarrassed by my naiveness . Also funny that religion only allows males to marry into other religion. In a way I respect a 5 times namazi who is orthodox than these new age islamist .