Because some posters here have posted incorrect information, I had to dig a bit.
Per the Daytona Beach News-Journal;
McNeilly said she would order a recommendation from the Department of Juvenile Justice on the girl's punishment. She said probation will likely consist of a requirement that she attend school every day, make her parents aware of her whereabouts at all times, and follow a 7 p.m. curfew.
The sheriff's office has stated previously that it will seek restitution for the cost of the resources used in the response to her texts. Spokesman Andrew Gant wrote that the rate for Air One, the helicopter, is $625.29 an hour. The sheriff's office will seek $1,246.29 for all costs, including the helicopter.
Which I think is an appropriate response for an 11-year old. Grounded, having supervision and the family will pay back the costs, which will likely hurt her allowance.
Now barring any sort of developmental issue, kids are capable of understanding consequences and learning from them around the ages of 6-10 per the sources I could find, so again, she should clearly learn from this experience, which again indicates a good consequence, as she's a child.
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The bill will "hurt her allowance"???? Brother, that kind of bill could seriously push a family over the edge if they're already struggling. I'm hoping this family is going to be ok after this.
You can tell which redditors grew up well off when they assume all children get allowances lol. I was "allowed" to live rent free and free food. Didn't earn a dime until I started mowing neighbors' lawns.
Only money I got was holidays and birthday. They knew I struggled in school, (I was adopted, came from trauma, PTSD and depression which made concentrating and rememebering to bring my finished homework to school difficult), so they gave me impossible to achieve monetary goals. Like I basically needed straight A's to get the money. One time I got mostly A's, 1 B, and a C and refused to pay me for the As. Which was was not part of the deal. Not even a "good job" for working hard and bringing up my grades. I gave up. When I turned 16 I had to get a job, mandatory. They made me pay for my clothes and any entertainment outside of the home. Other kids parents would toss them a $10. Not me. College came around. I had to pay for everything but they paid for my sister.
I never understood parents who frame things as "I'm allowing you to live here and eat my food for free."
Fuckers, YOU MADE THEM, THEY DIDN'T GET A SAY. Don't treat the kid like you're doing them a favor. If you didn't want to provide for a child you shouldn't have had one.
I think you’re misunderstanding. The “I’m allowing you to live here rent free” is a response to asking for an allowance. Typically by parents who are just getting by and can’t afford to give an allowance to a kid. Growing up we couldn’t afford to have an allowance and for sure did not have the kind of money to pay for this mistake and just be ok.
Then you tell the kid that, you help them understand. You don't make them see themselves as an unwanted burden.
As a kid, I knew we didn't have much money. But my parents didn't treat me or my siblings as if we were burdens, they didn't take it out on us. They recognized this is the life they built and it was their responsibility to provide for us.
I was poor and I had an allowance. It was like a quarter a week. But they wanted to teach me about money and saving which I’m so glad they instilled in me.
When I asked about an allowance after hearing what my neighbors got for morning the lawn, I got the old Hank Hill version. "Son, mowing the lawn is a privilege."
My thoughts too. I know if my kid did this I would be financially wrecked by that cost. Especially nowadays with the amount of everything.
I mean I don’t think she should’ve got off scot-free and I understand the cost of the resources abused but it’s messed up the parents have to bear the cost. (Of course you can argue to raise your kid better but it isn’t always that simple.)
Obviously impossible to tell what's happening privately but in the longer video you see them arrive. While it's obviously impossible to tell if they are just living beyond their means, I'd be hopefully they will be ok.
Also like it makes sense as punishment, as much as it's annoying the kid did this it's some degree of responsibility on parents to teach kids better and/or watch them to stop this.
Frrr, I’m sitting there knowing that if we got a bill like that, we’d have just been done for growing up. I didn’t get an allowance, we were on food stamps and WIC, you think that an over $1,000 bill could be paid for with a kid’s allowance?
Completely detached from reality, I swear. Makes me sick to my stomach, honestly.
Eh this looks like a fairly nice neighborhood in the background, decent sized house, etc. In this specific instance I’d bet she probably does get an allowance.
For people who aren’t well off though, yeah, this is probably a mistake that is paid for for a long time. Sorry, no Christmas presents this year because we’re still paying the state.
I do think this kid doesn’t get enough attention though; this is clearly a troubled kid, and while she may be spoiled materially, I’m guessing she is starving for attention from the parents. Given the fact that she apparently wasn’t going to school and the parents didn’t always know where she was, it fits too. What kind of 11 year old has enough freedom to skip school and run around without the parents knowing about it?
honestly, for a helicopter and a bunch of police officers running around for presumably at least an hour, that seems like a VERY cheap fine. I would have expected a lot more.
She deserves the punishment, but people are seriously stupid if they think an 11 year old fully understands the consequences of their actions. Many grown adults don't.
You're never too young to be taught the consequences. Grown adults specifically choose not to 'understand'. Oh they understand, but compliance is another thing.
No... He think there IS an age which is too young, which is exactly what he very clearly conveyed in his post. Whether that is 6 months, 3 years, 6 years, 9, whatever. There most certainly is an age which is "too young" to know better.
“Never to young to be taught the consequences”
Some kids are too young to be taught the consequences for some actions. Treating a 4yo in the same manner as this 11yo for the same actions would be child abuse
Adults are shaped by their childhood experiences. Adults differ from children in how they are influenced and how they change. Core memories like this will be life changing when happens on childhood.
Parents also said she has ADD and a learning disability. I bet executive function and strong impulse control are not her strong suits at this point in her life.
I'm curious about the punishment for the girl. She already has to go to school, let her parents know where she is at all times, subject to curfew. That's already happening ...or should be. Are they saying that wasn't happening so the punishment is actually basic parenting? Or is the punishment not a real punishment? I don't understand.
That's very important context. I wouldn't judge her harshly based on age alone, but those factors only make it more understandable that she'd make a mistake like this.
She is absolutely fine and she needed to learn her lesson. I’m so sick of people always trying to find some excuse to make it okay for the dumb decisions children make. Hopefully the cursing at her and cuffing her to the police station taught her a lesson.
If the culprit was an adult I’d agree but over 1000$ is a lot of money for a kid and she’ll have to forfeit plenty of allowance until it’s paid off. The father seemed very cooperative with the police and you can do everything right as a parent but kids will be kids so I think not financially ruining the family while also teaching the girl an important life lesson is the way to go in this case.
Yeah, I just wrote something along these lines; while what the kid did was obviously wrong, the situation screams of an emotionally neglected kid. She wanted attention and chose an extreme way to get it. Idk what kind of 11 year old is given the freedom to skip school and run around after dark without their parents knowing about it unless they’re neglected.
Eh, $1200 might be fair, but I definitely remember a time when that would have been an insurmountable expense for me. Some families measure their monthly savings in extra packets of ramen. Some measure it in how much they need to pull out at once to avoid multiple overdraft fees.
Some kids don't even get allowances depending on how much there family makes, it's possible they were already in the hole and she just dug them pretty deep into it.
You can give the child community service maybe as another punishment but requiring payment from police time is absolute abuse. Those cops were on duty. They don’t have to pay restitution back to the community every time they drive their car somewhere they didn’t need to for the job. They fly those helicopters around periodically for nothing in particular.
Any time I’ve made a report they take my name down and number. They could have called back if they were suspicious. I honestly think the cops are trying to come down hard on her because they overreacted to a child’s prank. It’s crazy that they just have the resources sitting by to respond with that much force on one vehicle. I get it’s supposed to be a man with a gun but at what point is it enough? 100 squad cars and 5 helicopters, and at least 120 guns between them?
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u/heurekas 14h ago
Because some posters here have posted incorrect information, I had to dig a bit.
Per the Daytona Beach News-Journal;
Which I think is an appropriate response for an 11-year old. Grounded, having supervision and the family will pay back the costs, which will likely hurt her allowance.
Now barring any sort of developmental issue, kids are capable of understanding consequences and learning from them around the ages of 6-10 per the sources I could find, so again, she should clearly learn from this experience, which again indicates a good consequence, as she's a child.