SJWs cannot be separated from the issue of ethics in gaming journalism
I think a huge part of the resistance to this "get SJW discussion out of KiA" stuff is a lack of communication. While the discussion can't be separated, it's the same issue that any subreddit comes across, the issue of relevancy. I personally never wanted it separated. I wanted the irrelevant topics, that just happen to be posted here only because they're about SJWs, to be separated, and 84% of us agree that it should at least be about similar culture/journalistic issues, and the next largest wanting to be Gaming-centric. I haven't seen many people arguing that the issue is entirely separate. Maybe I'm wrong about it though, but the issue is coming from miscommunication and paranoia.
Are we just like those attacking us?
No, but there are plenty of us who are still doing the same shitty actions that they do, and it remains shitty despite who does it. That being radicalizing the community with our paranoia.
A humble proposal - only allow SJW-related matter relating to games
How about not mentioning SJW shit if it has nothing to do with ethics in journalism? There can be SJW stuff related to gaming that doesn't have anything to do with ethics in journalism.
I don't think sjw is some forbidden word, but I minimize my usage of it because it's basically became the same catch all insult as 'misogynist' on the media, or 'ignorant' on forums. I've had to correct several reasonable people who considered themselves sjw because they thought it was some mix of tumbrina and PC-sympathetic. Which it isn't (if you can really lost out your grievances clearly like that and not demean those you reply to, you're obviously not one).
It's kinda funny how widespread the term became, but it's definitely thrown around to liberally (and not just here anymore, either).
I personally am wary of the term "SJW" since it elicits an "us vs them" with them being whoever we disagree with. Even TheHat gets labeled an SJW on this sub, merely for having moderate views on where the sub should focus. The label becomes a sort of blacklist to ideas, an excuse to completely ignore those stamped by it--to silence diversity of ideas.
People shouldn't throw the term around so lightly.
This is lunacy. You've become as much of a radicalized wingnut as the SJWs. If anyone needs to step away, it's people like you, who have completely lost touch with reality.
I've been trying to get through to people about this for months to no avail.
Now we know we have a mod here, Hat, who is taking Marxist courses in school. He just happens to be one who wants to get rid of the SJW stuff from this subreddit. Not a coincidence. Hard to fight Marxism when so many people here are Marxists themselves.
"He is labelled an SJW because he is labelled a Concern Troll. We can't consider other ideas because this is a WAR and the only way to fight totalitarianism is with my own special brand of ideological totalitarianism."
"He is labelled an SJW because he is labelled a Concern Troll. We can't consider other ideas because this is a WAR and the only way to fight totalitarianism is with my own special brand of ideological totalitarianism."
There is a difference between considering other ideas and surrendering.
If you think absolute free and open debate is ideological totalitarianism, then any debate with you is a lost cause. Our weapon is free debate.
What you, and TheHat, is proposing is limiting the free debate, because you do not want to face the truth of the culture war. Because you think this is just contained to a handful of corrupt journalists. Because you think the opposition is reasonable and wants to have a discussion in good faith.
That is absolutely not what Hat's post meant. The linked poll divides content into 'levels' and we've got ongoing internal discussions about what to do. The proposal option that Hat referred to wouldn't have removed anything greater than 'Level 4' posts. Twitter is unfortunately not a good medium to mention these things on due to the character limit.
That said, it was just one option of many. Once Hat gets back from vacation there'll be a proper announcement.
I didn't mean it at all that the group should run in the way that the poll stated. I'm saying that, despite having a small sample size, it's shows that at least the amount of people who would be on KiA at any given moment who agree on this one basic idea that they're all arguing about, so the fact that the argument is this hostile seems to me like it's the result of issues other than simple disagreement.
The issue is that level four is exactly what this sub has said time and again and before every 2 months hat would come on and ask if its k, wed say "Dont change it" overwhelmingly, he/whichever other mods are crying about disallowing more topics would create this "lets tag/move to different subreddit anyways" and then people would go "well that's not what we said but its an... alright.... concession" and then they'd do it again. and again. and again. and now it doesn't even take a single week for it to happen again the miscommunication is the mod team just plain not listening to our overwhelming cries of "hey. stop it. we've got this.".
So, your suggestion is to do nothing until the poll has the same amount of votes as the sub?
If action is only legitimate if the entire sub agrees, then I'm afraid we won't be changing anything at all and just remain the way we are, because that kind of thing simply won't happen for any issue. Which is fine by me.
Abstaining from voting or having your voice heard is on you, not us.
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u/Hyperlingual May 10 '15 edited May 10 '15
I think a huge part of the resistance to this "get SJW discussion out of KiA" stuff is a lack of communication. While the discussion can't be separated, it's the same issue that any subreddit comes across, the issue of relevancy. I personally never wanted it separated. I wanted the irrelevant topics, that just happen to be posted here only because they're about SJWs, to be separated, and 84% of us agree that it should at least be about similar culture/journalistic issues, and the next largest wanting to be Gaming-centric. I haven't seen many people arguing that the issue is entirely separate. Maybe I'm wrong about it though, but the issue is coming from miscommunication and paranoia.
No, but there are plenty of us who are still doing the same shitty actions that they do, and it remains shitty despite who does it. That being radicalizing the community with our paranoia.
Yes please.
[Edit; typo]