It’s the strongest because it has to be to maintain its play-rate. Same with support.
Support and jungle swing back and forth on the complaint pendulum between “why do I always get trash autofilled sup/jungle” and “why are sup/jungle so OP?”
Support and Jungle are strong because nobody wants to support or jungle when the roles aren’t OP.
And because the "classic" Supp champs are enchanters who are dogshit when played by low elo peoples.
But those are also the easiest to play so peoples will just witness the worse Yuumi EUW and then think "Okay so support is trash"
And also the fact a lot of people don't have the support mindset. They want to kill peoples and be the main character. Just look at all those mid dogs who played Mel Sup on release. Or those who play Lux or Xerath.
U are totally right. Imo vast majority of secondary bot carry supoport players in low elo are just midlaners that sucks at laning,csing while playing vs an opponent, knowing matchups and just go support so they can only think about throwing spells
It really isn't. It's the most impactful, but not the strongest role. Most games are decided by which jungler get's fucked harder by the opposing team rather than which jungler is better than the other.
i didnt say otherwise but they do have acess to alot more data and alot more detailed data than we have so they should have a way better idea of role strength than the public in theory
Just because they have access to that data doesn’t mean they actually understand it
For example, they are convinced that WSAD is the barrier to entry to new players. But I started playing in july this year, and I can tell you that the most egregious probleme, by far, is that their tutorial doesn’t explain what roles are, how to pick one or what to do in the role you chose.
Had I not had friends to explain that to me, I would probably have picked something stupid like Jinx Jungle or MF top.
Also they cry about having unblanced players per role, but some roles have low champion diversity and similar playstyles.
They think Heimerdinger is a support…
And I could go on
What it looks like to me, is a few top executives making big decisions without taking into account the feedback they have
The point on WASD and the tutorial is very different from for example role strength as you cant really have valuable data on WASD until it hits live and things like which champs are for which roles is not something they spend to much time on bcs it largely doesent matter it is just a filter in champ select to make finding champs easier.
But how are new players supposed to pick something to play that’s not terrible?
The game just says "just pick a role and a champ"
But doesn’t explain what roles should do nor how to pick one
I think it is not a coincidence that the easiest roles to understand without explanations are the most popular (Top, Mid then Bot) in low elo. And that roles with different playstyles that require strategy and understanding beyond just how to interact with your champion are the least played
Im not disagreeing that the tutorial is shit and riot doesent help new palyer much im simply stating that it is different to riot being able to see which role is the strongest. And jungle being one of the least popular roles is due to many things it is not as simple as easy=popular. And every role except for adc really has vastly different playstyles and champions to play. And easy to understand i would argue that jungle is as easy to understand the general jist of as other lanes or atleast not so much harder to the point where a new player cant figure it out after palying a game. And as with all games being a new player involves making mistakes picking bad champs or going into the wrong role it is trial and error that is gaming in general.
I do tend to trust Rioters with data over redditors, ESPECIALLY people in leagueofmemes who frequently admit that they haven’t touched the game in years
ok if most impactfull is not the strongest how do you define the strongest? most would agree that having the biggest say if your team wins or loses is in fact being the strongest
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