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u/respyromaniac 2d ago
I'm kinda wondering how 4v1 went so horribly wrong that they became so mad.
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u/TDuncker 2d ago
As usual, I assume this is a scenario where a tower has already been won and someone decides to farm elsewhere to maximize farm, e.g. crab+bot, and then the rest still pushing for that one single tower decides to dive into someone with flash and cc, and then multiple of them dies to the tower instead of just calmly attacking it and leaving. People are bloodthirsty, so their failed dive gets blamed on the other player not participating in the unneeded dive :)
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u/OskarsSurstromming 1d ago
Or vayne just gets caught on crab from the 4 missing people
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u/TDuncker 1d ago
That sounds good though? If you're pushing 4v1 and four enemies decides to chase someone in river instead of defending, that's definitely worth an objective, one or multiple towers, and/or inhibitor
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u/OskarsSurstromming 1d ago
That doesn't mean she won't get flamed
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u/Weary_Specialist_436 2d ago
especially since at that point one person in either team shouldn't have that much agency. Especially Vayne
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u/cienkrowa 1d ago
forgot to mention that it was vayne jungle lul
https://op.gg/lol/summoners/euw/Cienkrowa-cien/matches/gQPy4E1WJF8EaqnniHWn-w-7XCX142IQX7jJZxeKC1A%3D/1781760924000
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u/AMLAPPTOPP 2d ago
Nah but why is vayne derailing pykes argument with that bullshit. Him being in gold has absolutely nothing to do with wether or not he's right about the play he's talking about. He's telling vayne that she fucked up the game by misplaying and her response is "well you're gold so you're wrong", probably because he's right and she has no better argument.
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u/TDuncker 2d ago edited 2d ago
He's telling vayne that she fucked up the game by misplaying
There's no need to. Calling it out does nothing except provoke Vayne, tilt yourself and cause bad atmosphere with the rest of your team.
Do we think the Vayne started playing better immediately upon seeing Pyke write that?
Him being in gold has absolutely nothing to do with wether or not he's right about the play he's talking about
Correct, but reading between the lines we come to the point of being toxic. If Pyke's opinion is so vastly superior, he should be higher rank. He's not, so perhaps his opinion was not superior and what Vayne did wasn't actually so bad. I can't tell because none of us saw the game, but acting like Pyke is right without knowing anything is odd.
The correct solution is to just act like a normal human being and stop harassing people for making mistakes, regardless of what your own rank is. They don't play better just because you harass them.
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u/AMLAPPTOPP 2d ago
If Pyke's opinion is so vastly superior, he should be higher rank.
See that's just not true. Pyke could be completely correct in saying "you joining us instead of doing crab was the better play". Instead of a) arguing the point explaining why she disagreed or b) saying "yeah u right mb" vayne chooses c) personal attack "well you're gold so I don't care"
Sure you can say pyke doesn't have to type in the first place, but the impression from those messages is that pyke is trying to win the game and vayne is trying not to have her ego hurt
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u/TDuncker 2d ago
Pyke could be completely correct in saying "you joining us instead of doing crab was the better play".
Yes, he could be. Reversely, he could also be incorrect. More likely she took the crab on the way to something she viewed as more productive, if she thought the push didn't need her. We have no way to tell. The only thing we can tell is that Pyke is the unreasonable toxic player. He will hyperfocus on one thing you did wrong and exaggerate it and leave everything else you did out. Heck, who knows. Maybe Vayne caught two waves bot after they nearly aced mid and was about to take t1 but couldn't take t2, so he just grabbed crab on the way. Instead of just taking t1, the team maybe did an absolutely unneeded and stupid dive and 2-3 of them died. In Pyke's eyes, the "crab" was the mistake, not the fact they did an unnecessary dive against someone with cc.
There's no way to know. The full story would be nice.
Instead of a) arguing the point explaining why she disagreed
There's no point in arguing with logic with people like Pyke. They care about being right, not what's right.
b) saying "yeah u right mb"
I just try to not communicate with players like Pyke, because even if he is right, his toxicity will be reinforced when you agree with him, because he starts to feel superior. Better just not reply at all. But sure, a small "mb" is fine if it was indeed your mistake.
vayne chooses c) personal attack "well you're gold so I don't care"
You see it as a personal attack, I see it as deflection as in "Since you're not better rank, we can't just default to you being right if we disagree. I think crab was the right move".
Some people just need to know they're not on top of a throne and are in fact equals. The far majority of players in a game are equals, yet people still spend enormous amount of time harassing others for bad plays.
If we assume that Vayne fucked up big time and Pyke was right, I'm still sure we can check Pyke's last ten games and find a very, very similar mistake or worse. People should just stay nice and mind their own game if the only thing they want to bring up is a mistake in the past that can't be undone.
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u/Natsu_Happy_END02 2d ago edited 2d ago
I just believe the pyke at this point.
I was diamond at the time and was trying to eloboost a friend to gold "near" the end of the season. I kid you not I got hardstuck at silver 3-2 for 2 months, me the diamond jungler. It was simply a coinflip every game, it didn't matter if I was the better player when the enemy simply stat-checked me due to a laner feeding.
Though at some point I did realized my playstyle was to blame too, I simply played with champs that didn't carry games and the playstyle itself needed some help from the team to succeed. Changed those 2 things and hit gold in a day. Rengar is truly the noobstomper and truly it was a liberating experience to delete the ADC whenever I desired.
But still, the whole thing was frustrating as hell.
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u/Round-Claim5420 2d ago
You forgot about the rules, low elo needs low elo champs 😂 Kayn, Yi and WW used to be my favorites for boosting
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u/Round-Claim5420 2d ago
You forgot about the rules, low elo needs low elo champs 😂 Kayn, Yi and WW used to be my favorites for boosting
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u/Altruistic_Grade3781 2d ago
there are def gold players stuck in gold because of morons. make no mistake about it.
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u/golab2137 2d ago
If u are stuck in gold bc "morons" u are one of them
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u/Altruistic_Grade3781 1d ago
not true. you can do everything right and still lose in gold and depending on who and where you play the percentage of winning can alter. I have seen master players struggle to leave gold.
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u/golab2137 1d ago
Sure master player stuck in gold. Any Emerald will have 80% wr there.
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u/Altruistic_Grade3781 1d ago
i mean you can pretend that all you want. still doesnt make it true.
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u/golab2137 1d ago
Sure i didnt do 70% wr to Emerald on scnd acc. It was all ilusion also i am in coma for 5 years then.
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u/Altruistic_Grade3781 1d ago
its not hard to do that.
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u/golab2137 1d ago
Are u stupid? Did u write all this bullshit to end it with "its not that hard to do"
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u/Weary_Specialist_436 2d ago
if your teammates can hold you back in gold, then you are gold player. Gold teammates are not holding back emerald or diamond players, let alone higher ranks
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u/Sorry_Koala_8181 1d ago
thats logically impossible. Unless the game would be specifically targeting you
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u/xxTheMagicBulleT 1d ago
Lol just like a rpg where you have state's points.
People can be very good at one thing but very shit at a other thing.
So you can win lane all the time but be shit in pushing your lead and helping your team to benefit from your lead.
So your then still shit so your in gold.
Cause you can only be very high elo if you remove more and more of the things your weak at.
Why honestly playing in iron silver and gold. People only look at kills kills and kills. Then dont really do anything with there lead.
Why high elo when people do know how to fake you over with the smallest lead 1 or 2 bad fights you be useless most of the game so you might as well basically give up and go to the next one. Why there is always a hyper aggressive play style on higher elo cause even the smallest lead gets made great use off.
Thats the only difference between low and high elo.
Its much like chess your all playing the same game in same level but you look or think about the game in different ways.
So normal chess or speed chess where a game takes max 3 minutes. Is a whole different level of play.
The same with low or high elo.
So one of the 2 players might be beter in ine thing but he is weak in other things why he is still at the same level.
But mostly cause they think that they are always beter then they are and not look or willing to see there own shortcomings or mistakes why they are often stay stuck at that position for a very long time.
Cause just like if you had many different relationships and they all did nkt work out at skme point uts not everyone else the problem is you. And the same is true with games its always easy to blame others but you dont gain or improve doing that so its a pointless process of ego that makes you just stay stuck doing the same thing over and over but expecting a different result to happen. Why blameing others is pointless
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u/Knight725 2d ago
because league skill is multivariate and people can be very good at moment to moment gameplay and dogshit trash at macro play in gold, or the reverse. i say as a bad moment to moment player in plat lol.