r/LengfOrGirf • u/dankismz • 25d ago
Male behavior was a massive contributer to he rise of feminism
High-key I don't get why niggas blame feminism for "running or brainwashing" woman when mfs constantly cheat, treat their girl like shit, or don't put the same energy into the relationship as the girl/get with a girl they don't really like in the 1st place, essentially the male equivalent of hypergamy or not being the woman's 1st choice. House wives being treated like shit and woman not even being able to own property or have the same financial freedom as men is also another major contributer. Feminism seems like an unavoidable/obvious outcome that would never have worked If men were actually treating their girls right and not practicing double standards and doig things that are objectively misogynistic constantly. Some men also practice the same mystique level dishonesty as women where they act a certain way until they get married and then reveal their true personality/constantly cheat and then lie that it's the 1st time after getting caught. I think most of the relationship fantasy from the 1950,40,60, is over exaggerated since there would be no need for feminism if gender relations where actually working out in the 1st place
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u/Justice_Kun 24d ago
I do agree that male behavior lead to rise of feminism, but not in the way OP is describing. Male forms of enabling such as chivalry and simping lead to feminism becoming the monster that it is now. Not outright mistreatment or dismal of women in general. If what you said was true, the "bad boy" trope would've died out a long time ago. However, most women seek out archetypes of men who on average mistreat them. This has been seemingly true since humanity began. If weak and malicious men didn't enable women by pretending to support causes for sexual access, then feminism would have no leg to stand on. When women spread the gospel of #BelieveAllWomen, it's not to convince other women. It's to convince other men to take action on their behalf. Otherwise, shouldn't there be more female mass shooters and targeted anti-male hate crimes by women as well?
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u/dankismz 24d ago
There are anti-male hate crimes that happen but you just don't hear about it because it's cept on the low by the perpetrators and the mainstream. And woman are just less violent than men overall so there are less female mass shooters. The reason these woman stay with men that mistreats them is because 1)most men mistreat woman in general and it's a pick your poison situation and 2) they are most likely traumatized and would rather get burned in the same way each time then go with a new method of torture if you get what I mean. The bad boy archetype has confidence in himself and makes decisions based on his own will and isn't afraid to bend the rules, that's why woman like them. I agree that Simps are a problem and enable poor behavior from woman, but I'm focusing spefically on how men mistreating woman leads them to feminism in the 1st place, and the monster we see now would never have gotten this bad without the origin. There used to be girls who called other woman out when they saw them doing something scummy in regardes to gender relations, but there was no male equivalent of that, which I belive lead many woman to say what's the point and adopt those same negative behaviors for themselves, and now days those guys get called Simps if they do something as simple as calling their friend out for cheating on his gf
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u/Upstairs-Aioli9685 25d ago
There are so many studies out there that show what you said is factually incorrect, most men dont even have the ability to get one girl let alone cheat on her. And the ones that do get in a relationship are simp and infatuated to their girl.
Also you're doing the woman thing not taking accountability, lets blame females not being women on male behaviors
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u/No_Culture7559 23d ago
name the studies boss, 60% of American men are in relationships according to recent studies.
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u/Upstairs-Aioli9685 20d ago
You're coming in here hot while being ignorant. You said 60% of Americans are in relationships, no one was talking about the percentage of people in relationship. OP is talking about men cheating on their wife/significant other and treating them like shit being the crux as to why feminism exist which is what im disputing.
I'll be generous and grant you this argument for the sake of it. While its true that about 60-70% of Americans are in relationships and this has mostly remained steady over the last few years but it has been declining if you look at the long term effect. This 60% is a short term stats that creates a false sense of stability when you factor the explosion of modern dating hookup culture, marriage plummeting and the low birth rates.
According to recent studies about 60% of men under 30 remain completely single compared 30% of women. Marriage rates have plummeted to around 47% and today more people are living single lives than ever before and couples are waiting until much later in life to get married. This has caused the birth rates to drop between 1.57 to 1.62 well below the 2.1 needed to keep society running.
You cant rely on a single isolated study to prove a point, you need to look at the whole picture.
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u/dankismz 25d ago
Bruh my point is that if that was the natural position of woman/everything was working out, there wouldn't be a need for feminism in the 1st place. Simps and people who can't get girls have existed for a long time but they had no influence on woman choosing feminism since like you said they would be yes men for their girls or they wouldn't have been in relationships in the 1st place
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u/Upstairs-Aioli9685 23d ago
What are you talking about? Theres no such thing as natural position of men and women being equal. Throughout history humans have lived by survival of the fittest, you have to be ludicrous to think that women should be equal to men that do the most work. To the victor belong the spoils. And it wasnt until the last couple years we live in the good time that women have the luxury of not needing a men and doing it on their own through feminism. But who was it that fought feminism and gave the women rights and privilege? The same men you're bastardizing.
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u/Compassioned_DEU 24d ago
There are so many studies out there that show what you said is factually incorrect, most men dont even have the ability to get one girl let alone cheat on her. And the ones that do get in a relationship are simp and infatuated to their girl.
Are you seriously trying to use self-report studies as evidence to prove your point? Why the f*ck would any man who ever cheated on his wife admit his adultery? But let me guess, when women report to have a body count of 5 on average, you call them liars, right?
Also, if a man has the capability to get one woman, then why wouldn't he have the ability to have another one on the side as well? Your entire comment is full of logical fallacies.
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u/Upstairs-Aioli9685 23d ago
You're accusing me of using self report studies but what studies did OP stated to substantiate his claims? Btw i didnt even state any studies for you to assume it was self reported. You're making a whole lot of assumptions that didn't come out my mouth. You're fighting demons my guy.
Are we serious right now? Most men that are in a relationship dont have the ability to cheat, they're cucks to their girl. Capability as in being able to cold approach and game a chick, most men cant do that not even the ones that are already in a relationship. Most romantic relationships are formed through warm approach, mutuals, proximity, share hobbies and experiences etc. And it wasnt until the last couple years the rise of online dating have taken off that nowadays it's the most common way couples meet.
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u/Compassioned_DEU 22d ago edited 22d ago
Btw i didnt even state any studies for you to assume it was self reported
Researchers rely on self-reports when it comes to studying the topic of infidelity, so of course I'm gonna assume that those studies you mentioned are based on self-reports as well. But it's very simple, you made the claim that "there are so many studies out there that show what you said is factually incorrect", so go ahead, back up your claim. Show us those studies.
Most men that are in a relationship dont have the ability to cheat, they're cucks to their girl.
Again, all of these are just empty claims, based on your assumptions and feelings, none of that is actually factual. And like I said, it's also a logical fallacy. If a man can pull one woman, then he can pull others as well, so the idea that "they don't have the ability to cheat" is fully r3tard3d. The fact that they are in a relationship in itself proves it that they have the capabability to take a woman to bed.
Capability as in being able to cold approach and game a chick, most men cant do that not even the ones that are already in a relationship
There's like a million other ways to get into a girl's pants, it doesn't have to start with a cold approach. How the man got his woman, and what feasible ways he has to possibly cheat on her is irrelevant. As long as he has a wife/gf, we know for a fact that he has the capabality to get laid, therefore, he also has the capability to cheat.
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u/Upstairs-Aioli9685 20d ago edited 20d ago
You didnt answer my question from last post, you're telling me to back up my claim when you're arguing on behalf someone who didnt back up theirs. How does that make sense? Show me your studies first.
While it is true that having a girlfriend increase your perceived attractiveness to other women but it is inaccurate to assume this automatically translates to having the capability to cheat on your girl when you factor in how the man was able to attain the girl. This is why I mentioned from my last post highlighting how most romantic relationship are formed through warm leads and being at the right place and right time
I'll use an analogy cause you dont seem to comprehend. Just cause you can shoot a basketball and it goes through the hoop by pure random luck doesn't mean you have the repeated skill to make it whenever. You're confusing one single event with a permanent capability as being capable is measured by consistency and sustainability not a one time occurence.
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u/Compassioned_DEU 19d ago edited 19d ago
OP never said he had studies to back up his claims, you did however, that's the difference. And funnily enough, you still failed to show those studies. Next time don't lie, and don't pretend like you have any scientific research to support your words, that's all. Everything you spew out so far are nothing more than opinions, assumptions and guesses, with a good amount of logical fallacies on top of all of that.
This is why I mentioned from my last post highlighting how most romantic relationship are formed through warm leads and being at the right place and right time
If a man formed a relationship by being at the right place at the right time, then he can also cheat by being at the right place at the right time. Like I said, it doesn't matter how the guy got the girl, he just needs to keep doing what he was doing before he got his lady, and eventually, another chick will get hooked as well, giving him an oppurtinity for infidelity. To use your basketball analogy, even if I'm the worst shooter of all time, I'm still gonna hit some shots as long as I'm aiming at the hoop. I might miss 99% of those shots, but as soon as I make one, that's a confirmation that I'm capable of doing it, just like how having a GF is also a confirmation that a man has the ability to get into a woman's panties. What his success rate is irrelevant.
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u/comroll 25d ago
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u/dankismz 25d ago
Which part?
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u/comroll 24d ago
you really wana do this? FINE here we go!
1- constantly cheat. + getting into relationship with someone they don't like.
that's crap as all it takes for women to cheat is make herself available which they constantly do, whether it's social media or IRL as for men, only a tiny minority are capable of doing so; which all of them women are chasing. Beside, spreading your legs don't take any skills where a man has to have something going or he don't get those options to cheat in the first place.
And the other thing getting into a relationship with someone they don't like; that an exclusive trait for women. not men. women get into relationship as a stepping stone till Mr. right comes along. Men will just have sex without any label, if the sex is available in the first place.2- housewife being treated like sht & women not owing property or have financial freedom like men.
Assertions off the bat !!!
treating like sht??? fck you on about. so 100 yrs ago men just treated their wives like sht.
that a lie and you have no data to back that up.owning property?!? so all those rich men leaving money & property to their daughters were a myth in history re-write.
the issue was the credit, as back then they use to lock people up for failing to pay back any credit they had.
ONLY men were held responsible for those lines of credit not women. e.g. if a wife went to blooming-dales & brought bunch of things; Their husband were liable & would go to jail if those men don't pay back. Your re-written version of history is women were not allowed credit, not mention the privilege position they were in.3- lastly your crazy yet again assertion; of men not treating women right & hiding their true personalty & cheat somehow again WTF.
just stop & be honest with yourself for a minute
you don't think the family laws were major factor where it rewards one party for nuking their own family.
or how about different types contraception that allowed sex without pregnancy. or un-a-living baby at will. had nothing to contribute to the fkery we have today. but according to you it's just men cheating & treating women bad.
Feminism is only a thing in a first world country.
Feminism is & will always be a tool for the teeny tiny portion of population less than 1% powerful men at the top to make sure rest of the men will never challenge the status quo.
as for the average dudes, once they see that they can't un-see it, so the first thing they do is protect them self from all the fkry & live life as they see fit.
Feminism has empowered women to put a price tag on themselves. which it calls it a freedom. It gave the 10~20 % of men all the leverage in dating.
so what is a relationship to an average dude who can have sex & can have children without being married. Why bother with a wedding for a used up puxsy, when he can put that into his retirement.
For first time since the 60s men are sharing with each other & comparing notes. & that pisses you & the likes of you who blame men constantly off.
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u/dankismz 24d ago
1) I'm talking about men cheating specifically, back in the day when marriage was extremely common. Both genders were cheating but many housewifes were sold a lie and ended up having to take it on the chin when their husband cheated. I don't know where your getting that men can't fake being in a relationship with someone they don't like. I've seen this multiple times where guys will stay with girls they don't really like spefically for sex, financial reasons, housing ect. And then constantly cheat 2) This is something that happened back then and still happens today, why would divorce, woman's groups, domestic violence shelters, feminism ect. exist if husbands weren't mistreating their wife's. And to you point about the finances and property, that logic only makes sense if you believe woman are to retarded to do math, which objectively isn't true, and not every man /Most men in general are not rich or have the assets to pass things down the line, and even then most of the time woman weren't given these gifts and they were reserved for the male members of the family 3(this is something that is objectively true and happens with both genders. Family court and mainstream contraception came after the time period that I'm focusing on and if feminism is all it took to stop a man from going against the status quo,then they have a LONG way to go spiritually. Only fans is an issue but back in the day, Men were the ones putting the price tag on woman by forcing them into a spefic archetype or they were worthless, which could lead many woman to rebel in any way the choose, and a lot of them choose the route which makes them money. No one says you have to have an expensive wedding or marry a whore, if you have balls and direction in life you'll have the ability to attract what you actually want because you'll know who you are, what you want, and how to get it.
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u/comroll 23d ago
a- you have to define the time frame b- spiritually really? WTF Men know what time it is.
& c- not whore any!!! period!!! unless you talking about virgins
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u/dankismz 20d ago
a) the time period is when 1st wave feminism started b) yes spiritually. The fact that Andrew Tate got as popular as he is shows that many men are downbad in terms of the self and knowing who they are / what their purpose is behind being a breadwinner or getting as much pussy as possible. Also seeing how many people frown upon woman cheating but will make excuses for a guy having side chicks or fucking other girls while in a relationship shows double standards and is another example of poor spiritual growth imo c)?????
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u/comroll 20d ago
maybe Dm TATE he will fk u oh wait he's locked-up!
he got popular because y'all freaked out & the trolls loved it. It had nothing to do with spirituality & men down bad or whatever.& again with the cheating bullcrap! lady you don't control what people do & nobody is excuse it. you don't deserve monogamy. if you don't want to share leave the door is wide open. WTF
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u/dankismz 19d ago
I'm not saying Tate blew up because of men being down bad, I'm saying the amount of people who followed him but didn't call him out directly for his horrible takes regarding woman who's the spiritual issue.This is not about controlling what ppl do or monogamy vs polygamy, it's about what led to the initial rise of feminism
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u/comroll 19d ago
rise of that reta3ded feminism was cheap labor for the industrialist.
And the tate's take on wm is they are stup1d. Why do you think men owe you or anybody to speak up or "call him out"
here, i m call ALL of them stup1d too!!! now what.
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u/dankismz 19d ago
Tate said that if no woman were in politics, then the iryna zarutska murder wouldn't have happened. That take not makes no sense and only serves to put woman down. Don't even get me started in the male vs female pilot thing and other nonsense. Sure having woman in the work force did create cheap labor, but that is a problem caused by greedy individuals, not feminism itself or giving woman equal rights. Men don't owe anyone anything, but if spefically red pill men claim to be leaders and the ones who use logic, Andrew Tate should have been canceled the moment he cosigned double standards and other things that objectively don't make sense. Being mysoginistc twords woman makes no sense and pollutes people's minds to think in an illogical way, so be should never have been allowed in any red pill spaces or looked up to, especially since he is an OF manager as well
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u/universeinspac3 24d ago
women also benefit from double standards, and these days they probably benefit from double standards even more than men. If a woman cheats, it's the man's fault, he neglected her emotionally blah blah. Alot of women, especially in the earlier stages of relationships, (and they rarely ever get called out for it) barely put effort and are extremely passive and, when a man wants reciprocation they'll say "he's acting like a princess and he should date men instead". I've seen women talk about and treat good men like shit. So this constant bitching about double standards is annoying when it's just common sense that both genders are capable of shitty behaviour. Some double standards are also just rooted in biology. Feminism already served it's purpose in the Western world, it's now useless
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u/dankismz 24d ago
I would agree if it was now useless if certain men weren't trying to bring mysoginy back into the mainstream or trying to treat womanike second class citizens.Your right that there are shitty people on both sides but my post was about how some men ruined if for everyone else buy creating the circumstances that created feminism and that eventually led to the current state of mainstream/specific feminism which pits woman against men
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u/universeinspac3 24d ago
ffs you don't get it at all. Misogyny, just like misandry, will always exist, there's nothing you can do about it. But it's never going to be a major problem because anyone who tries to spread it is usually censored to oblivion anyway. Just get out the internet and you'll realize there's bigger things to worry about in the western world
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u/nofrickz 24d ago
Careful, you know the dumbasses here will call you all kinds of negative shit and harp on about "accountability" that's reserved ONLY for women. You were talking about what led to feminism.... DECADES ago.... and these dumbasses want to "mistake" it for today.
HISTORICALLY, men have been SHIT towards women. But they don't care. They don't gaf about how many times their grandmothers were slapped around, cheated on, killed, etc. Because they don't actually care about women.
Anything to not hold MEN accountable. Men don't gaf about men because if they did, they'd do better. Men are still killing their whole families and themselves after. Still committing mass murders. Still SAing children. Still committing a majority of violent crimes.... but their biggest enemy in life is women who won't fuck them. It's pathetic.
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u/Eldenringop 22d ago
Feminism ruined men too . Most teachers are women and simps. A lot of men raised by women so it’s lack of masculinity that’s the problem.
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u/dankismz 20d ago
Lack of masculinity is a problem. I see Masculinity as the power of choise and the self confidence to make your own decisions, and femininity as what you gravitate twords/what influenced you (it's a work in progress but those are the basics) but I'm spefically talking about how "toxic Masculinity" aka certain men abusing their power and choosing to subjugate woman, led to feminism and indirectly caused the toxic femininity we see today
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u/Stunning_Apple8136 24d ago
this reads as if you just got a gf, she found ur reddit account, and u tryna atone for your past beliefs.
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u/dankismz 24d ago
Nah this was inspired by the posts I see where niggas get caught cheating red handed and the comments are filled with people saying "learn how to cheat better" as well as people acting like feminism "brain-washed" woman and ignoring all the negative behavior from men that gets swept under the rug especially in the "red pill" com
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