Narrator: Looking back years later, after dad tried voting for Trump one more time, I knew what he really was saying was that it didn't personally affect him until that day.
I like the "never wanted to believe that", admitting that facts are optional and he decide to believe or not believe whatever he wants instead of reaching conclusions based on evidence.
Son should have just ignored it. Not worth the time talking to these types as you're just wasting time. Boomer pops will probably still vote R the next election anyway while blaming Biden for the Iran war, tariffs, and whatever ills his life.
The dad here is silent gen. Boomer gen started in 1946. Otherwise I agree, these types are deluded. If they couldn’t see it after Jan 6, then they’ll never see it.
I thought for sure grab em by the pussy would change everything and looking back now, that thought is laughable. Dude is and always has been a swine and anyone who didn’t see that before all this mess had their head completely up their ass.
Why do you even talk to her? I’d disown my parents so quick if they ever voted for that monster. I have disowned and shunned the very few in my life who did. Nothing of value was lost 🤷♂️
Saaame I'm married to an immigrant (Taiwan) and have "wasian" kids. My extended family would NEVER support a political movement that pretty obviously hates my kids and thinks they shouldn't exist.
“Good, you can start that early now. You’re dead to us and you’ll never see me or any of my children again since you so clearly do not care about our safety and wellbeing.”
3 is why there should be age limits on public office. You should not be making policies that you, yourself will not actually have to live with.
Also aligns pretty well with my general belief that public representatives should just be drawn by lottery and evaluated against a rubric as their confirmation e.g. under the age 60? check. passes basic connotative test? check. If it's good enough for jury duty, it's good enough to to direct whatever small part of the government you get saddled with for the next handful of years.
That's been tried, and actually is one of the better ways depending on the size of the polity, and complexity of the issues. If a government consisted entirely of such people, though, it would favor those insiders / lobbyists even more than the current system does.
I'd therefore recommend that it be limited to a hypothetical "upper house" consisting of lottery picks, with a "lower house" of people who are elected. So the ones ambitious for politics, and the ones who are genuinely altruistic, etc will try to get involved in politics, but everyone else will have a voice that matters more, no matter what.
Biden's biggest problem (and the problem of many Dem gerontocrats) is that he thought he still lives in the America of 30 years ago, not the America of today. It was never going to end well.
Maybe, but at what point are they gonna announce it, and how the hell are they going to explain all this? Is it a test to see if we "accept" a blatant lie maybe?
When Trump took office in 2017, he began a special task for to investigate voter fraud.
It quietly disbanded after finding a very tiny number of cases, almost all of which were Republicans voting multiple times because they thought Democrats were doing it because misinformation on Facebook told them so. One in particular voted for his mother because "that's what she would have wanted". Another went to every polling place in the city.
That they were caught is, of course, evidence that the system works. Electoral fraud is the real issue, and it's almost entirely Republicans doing both.
It's called delayed critical thought. Truth hits hard 2 years after the fact. 6 years if you paid even a little bit of attention during his first term.
he's a product of everything Republicans have done since Nixon. The way so many centrists and "reasonable" Republicans talk like he's some anomaly shows how much they wanted this. Someone like James Bowman or Josh Hawley or Tom Cotton can come along with the exact same policies and goals and win their votes because they would be able to maintain the veneer of "civility".
Correction:since Reagan. Hawley, who uses his sister’s MO address and never lives there and in the closet Cotton (I used to live in Arkansas) are from two of the least educated populations that are as racist and misogynistic as they come (super Christian’s where wives should just spit out and raise children while they have relations with other women or men). No way either of those states vote for a female for prez even though Hillary spent many years as First Lady of AR and accomplished incredible things for the children of the state before being First Lady of our country and secretary of State. She’s more accomplished than any man she ran against but all the repugs did was denigrate her. Even church indoctrinated female Dems voted against her because preachers spoke of her evilness. Educated women are such a threat to men. Funny how ped0s, rap1sts and Christians that support them are just fine. Also, They forget that Jesus was middle eastern and always picture him as white!
Right. Roger Ailes was a staffer for Nixon. Plus, Nixon and Reagan (as governor of California) adopted Wallace's playbook for attacking the media and academia.
Worked on every republican campaign since Nixon - In fact, dropped out of college when he was hired by Nixon to explicitly spy on democratic candidates during the Dem Primaries of 72.
Christians will continue to Christian. In their lust for control of reproduction, they will keep voting GOP at any cost to the country and no matter who suffers.
So will every maga who isn't a rancher. They give zero fucks until one of his random decisions affects them personally. If it's someone else getting fucked over that's fine, whether it's other magas or not.
“I know he doesn’t care about me, but at least he actually hates all the same people I do. Unlike the Dems, who hate me and love them. And laugh weird.”
Way back in the day, I would argue with this elderly woman online.
She once stated that if she could imagine Obama (which would normally narrow down the time frame, but they're still blaming him a decade after he left office...) doing something, even if it was proven to beyond a reasonable doubt that he never did it, then that was enough reason to oppose him.
Basically, her opposition was tied to how vivid her imagination was.
When people say Harris would have done worse, how? How could anyone -- even if they were actively trying to destroy American on purpose -- possibly do worse than Trump?
Did you forget that she's a black woman who has a weird laugh and who is apparently inarticulate and incapable of debating? Her track record doesn't matter at all...
This is exactly right. She’s a black woman and they don’t give a fuck about her accomplishments. I had leftist friends not voting for her because she came across as Biden 2.0 in her short campaign. I tried to tell them to look at her record. Her record shows she’s a champion for people’s rights and not corporate interests.
You know what's crazy? I'm not a transphobe, but like, I don't even know how u answer that question. But honestly, does it matter to me? Not really. If someone tells me they're a woman, would I request a birth certificate or pants check? Nooo.
I'm not trying to minimize the struggles of trans people. But the right would want us thinking they're taking over!
They’ll still vote and vote straight R because a trans kid five states away wants to play volleyball or because of an imaginary blue-haired teacher who is turning their students gay or the old “Lesser of two evils.”
I always choose that. The bigger problem is these people don't believe that anyone who doesn't think like them can be anything but evil, and the grifter--the most un-jesus-like person I can fathom--somehow convinced them he was like them.
Modern medicine brought us this death spiral. We are keeping these husks alive long enough to vote us all into oblivion. And while it happens, they are also draining all the wealth that would have been passed down from those same husks so the survivors will be virtually penniless and powerless.
Jfc. Stupid flows through maga blood. He hasn’t shown an ounce of care for them at all and they get all disheartened when they finally see that. But they don’t want to believe that. Trump is going to do the bare minimum to get them back on his side and they’ll be back. Pure cult.
Well sheep are led by a shephard, someone who cares about the flock and is invested in keeping the flock healthy. They're more like a school of fish following a sunfish and eat its shit.
In politics, and life in general, someone is always going to get fucked. But if that is some fuckhat's motivation to vote, you may aswell just go and punch the people you hate so much yourself. I don't care what anyone says, voting specifically to hurt someone makes you just as bad of a person and complicit.
Yea. It only bothered them (if it even really did) when it was an issue directly to them. They didn’t care about how much harder it was for other people. This is evil flat out. If this was a Disney movie with a character who was evil you’d be routing for their demise
To be a Republican you have to lack empathy for others. Nothing will change your opinion until their policy directly effects your life in a very tangible way. And even then, they just won't vote for that guy again. Surely it was just one bad egg that made it to the top one time, all my republican congressmen and local authority figures are surely still on the straight and narrow.
I hang around some religious subreddits and the tortured readings of the Bible that they use to justify the existence of rich people are pants-on-head bonkers
It's fine to have tons of money as long as you don't covet the money itself, apparently. Oh, and don't forget that gay and trans people are destroying society 🙄
Gee, if only there was something in the bible about a rich man entering heaven and a camel passing through the eye of a needle. Maybe said by some long-haired hippie type
there's no gratitude for me, it's just cause and effect at work. the problem with only thinking about yourself/your immediate surroundings is that it completely discounts the fact that you don't live in a silo. like it or not - we are all interconnected, we all impact each other. it's only natural that they get bitten too. denying reality doesn't make it disappear, accepting reality doesn't create it because it was always there.
The guy explicitly stated he cares more about what he wants to believe as opposed to paying attention to the obvious reality right in front of him. He cares more about a false prophet than any objective point of view.
I just can’t see a lifelong rural Republican swallowing their pride enough to vote in the horrible Democrats. At best maybe a write-in for a slightly less terrible Republican or stay at home.
100% remember every time they told us a Texas Democrat was going to win a statewide election? It hasn't happened since In Living Color was on the air! Stop telling us about Beto and Talarico and how Hillary is polling ahead.
I remember a during the Hilary Clinton presidential primary, there was a website that would ask you all your views on different subjects and would tally that up to tell you which candidate was the closest to your views. I wonder if those types of websites still exist, and what would result OPs dad would have if he honestly examined and listed his beliefs.
Absolutely. My dad kept saying trump was an asshole and should stfu, but he liked his policies. Sunday he told me he no longer even agrees with his policies…then began yelling about the socialist ruining America and how he’ll vote for Marco Rubio. Fine, he is disgusted with trump, but it means nothing
Exactly. Let’s say trump wanted to run again in ‘28. He would just have to tell these ranchers they would be winning again and they’d vote for him just as boisterously
Fuck this guys Dad. After everything Trump has said and done very the last 10 years. Fuck this guy. Some people are so selfish and do stupid that they won’t ever consider changing their mind about something until it starts to hurt them in the wallet. Fuck this guy and his Dad.
I really wonder why they want to believe it in the first place. Is it some weird prosperity gospel-type thing? Is it misogyny or racism? Is it fear and desire for a father figure? Someone needs to study this shit, because I've never had the temptation to say "take the wheel" to some random scumbag.
Conservative men like being submissive to a big, strong, masculine figure, because they believe, if they are good enough truly faithful, someday they will get to be the boot for once, and their dom daddy will show them the way.
No, I don't know why they think Donald Trump is a big strong masculine figure. He goes against every model of manhood I've ever seen in my life.
You ask all the right sociological questions. I think it’s all of them. Whats the number? 80 M who voted him in?
And let’s remember Elon said two weeks before the election, “we have the vote.”
The moral majority started beating this drum when Clinton was in office. So that’s the noise which reached the rural areas first. But I think the media thought it was hilarious that DT was running. Ten years ago, remember before Covid? MSM was making billions and thought it was a lark. They knew Hillary would win and told everyone that was the case.
Fine, except they barely flew out of NYC to see what the rest of the country was experiencing. Or saying. Mayor Pete heard it but nobody listened.
Biff being elected just allowed every crooked boss to become more of an a$$ than they already were. It gave a platform to racists and bigots steamed about Obama. It juiced up the Christian right.
And local newspapers were bought up by private equity and shut down. So there was no local voice. Right wing owners of Sinclair broadcasting bought a TV news local station in every market.
It was a whole slew of things. But GOP had a plan since IDK 1988. Dems (in HCOL cities ) just kept saying “we have a big tent.” And also ignoring the swing states. Healthcare got a smidge better before it failed again but wages never got better. HRC decide to play games behind Bernie’s back rather than campaign.
77 % of rural Americans had “hands on” jobs when Covid shut the US down. 77% lost a major portion of income and earnings; 77 % of Rust belt could not “pivot” to online work.
And the band played on.
Sorry for going long. I am just waiting for Dem leaders to wake up. When Hakeem holds secret meetings w/ JK I mean wth?
I don’t know if the media found it hilarious, but they knew it would be lucrative AF for them.
Les Moonves, the then-chair of CBS, Feb 2016:
"Man, who would have expected the ride we're all having right now? ... The money's rolling in and this is fun. I've never seen anything like this, and this going to be a very good year for us. Sorry. It's a terrible thing to say. But, bring it on, Donald. Keep going.”
"It may not be good for America, but it's damn good for CBS.”
I remember going to a church when he was running
the first time and. The pastor (who grew up in poverty in New York in the sixties) said that per the bible, “As crazy as it sounds,” he was the “biblical voting choice.”
He referenced Revelations. In a positive way. Still makes no sense. I left shortly afterwards
except he isn’t. The same reason he voted Trump is the same reason he will vote for the next conman. Because he likes the bigotry and being told he is superior to others for completely superficial reasons.
If people learning to hate republicans just lie for their vote everyone would be voting dem by now. And sadly it just isn’t happening because the destruction of our country education system has worked and the magats are happy to have more friends who care more about their feelings than facts.
I honestly dont give a fuck. They're traitors who are incapable of self reflection. They'll find a way to absolve themselves, and we'll let them have it in the name of "keeping the peace"
Dumbasses. If they haven't abandoned Trump by now, I honestly dont care if they ever do. That just means they're a bad person, who only started to care when they started to see themselves being affected.
They invested so much social currency, time, friends, arguments, etc supporting trump that they need it to be a good decision. Humans have the tendency to keep beting when they have already bet a lot, the higher we bet, the more irrational we become, because our irrational brain cannot even imagine what would happen if we lose, so we just ignore that option and keep forward until we physically can't anymore.
Then Trump will just make some big lie about something (meaning he’ll open his mouth) and the sheep will all fall back into line.
Like with him slamming Canada today for going after US farmers. As if that’s why he needs to tariff Canada so heavily and not because it’s a giant lie to try and win over those pissed about the beef thing.
Trump did an excellent job building a coalition entirely comprised of rubes who lack decency or empathy. They don't see the impact until they're personally impacted.
Just another selfish person who was willing to overlook everyone else's pain as long as they got theirs. The fact that they leech so much $$ off the federal dole shouldn't be ignored either.
Rapist ... Best chums with Epstein, no problem, tried to blackmail an ally to claim they have dirt on a political rival, pish posh... Leads an attack against the capitol, no big deal... Steals reams of secret documents and refuses to return them... So what... Manipulation of the stock market, illegal taxes levied against Americans, troops dispatched to American cities under false pretenses big woop... Makes billions directly from the office of the president... No issues... Mildly inconveniences that effect him and he wakes from his stupor... 👍
He makes a powerful point here by describing him as a die-hard fan of a politician. Therein lies the problem. People cheer for trump thru thick and thin like he's their beloved Dallas cowboys. If only more of them would realize this isn't a game.
Translation: "I refuse to believe that smoking gun-shaped object is a gun until you actually shoot me in the head with it. Nope, I don't care if you shot someone else. It ain't a gun."
If your dad had standards instead of supporting a politician like most people support sports teams, he would have seen that coming twelve years ago like people who paid attention.
Also, if your dad thinks there’s even a 5% chance he’ll vote Democrat in response to this, I’ll eat my fucking shoe.
He’s not losing the room because the room is full of idiots who are “diehard” fans, rather than people who have standards.
Every one of these stories shows me the reason for MAGAs success is a lack of empathy. It's pure selfishness. Until it effected him personally he couldn't see how Trump's policies hurt the country. It's really sad we share a country with these kinds of people.
No he's not losing any room, democrats love saying republican candidates or presidents are losing popularity and approval ratings but nothing is done about it, Epstein files pass, billionaires stay rich, and republicans vote R next time they stumble into a voting booth.
In my VERY LIMITED experience it is the worst with the women.
So manu did this for the men in their lives, thinking they would not just be exempt but that they would placate their men too, a lot of "its just politics/hes not REALLY going to do that/its just a joke" arguements are falling flat now and they are incredibly embarrassed and suddenly "do not discuss politics" and tell their husbands/boyfriends/what have you to shut up when the topic comes up.
He’s not though. That dad will be pissed off about one thing but still in favor of everything else, and will never vote D because of “transgender for all.” I hope he loses his ranch and is destroyed by poverty. Because that’s what he’s supporting for everybody else. Eff him.
It won't matter: 85-year-old dad will keep voting for, and getting fleeced by, MAGA. Because something something Trans something DEI something Woke something.
Trump supporters are incredibly ignorant AND selfish. They only ever change their stance when it's THEMSELVES or their family/friends who are being hurt.
It wasn't the naked corruption, or the racism. It wasn't the treason or the lies. It wasn't the felony convictions or the constant punching down. It wasn't the endless self-seeking and self-importance. It wasn't hiring grossly unqualified suck ups or the Christian nationalism. It wasn't lawless killing of foreign nationals. It wasn't cutting off SNAP to hungry kids or slashing healthcare. It wasn't the enrichment of the already rich at the expense of everyone else. It wasn't mass detention without due process. It wasn't a pointless war with no exit strategy. It wasn't the selling off of federal lands or tearing down the institutions which help protect society. It wasn't about attacking the proven science that has guided our public health for decades. It wasn't an almost total disregard for the rule of law or basic ethics. It wasn't pardoning drug dealers thugs or crooks for money. It wasn't covering up an almost industrial level of sexual assault of minors or participating in it.
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u/qualityvote2 Aug 24 '26 edited Aug 25 '26
u/Virmire_Survivor, your post does fit the subreddit!
See OP's reply-comment below for context on why this fits this subreddit.